American Politics Discussion

[Dr. Gonzo]

lol

[Dr. Gonzo]

https://www.mediaite.com/news/fbi-deputy-director-trump-shooter-believed-to-be-author-of-anti-semitic-and-anti-immigration-posts-online/ further evidence that the guy who shot Trump was not some far left weirdo - looks more like a far right weirdo than anything.

[Spike]

20 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

https://www.mediaite.com/news/fbi-deputy-director-trump-shooter-believed-to-be-author-of-anti-semitic-and-anti-immigration-posts-online/ further evidence that the guy who shot Trump was not some far left weirdo - looks more like a far right weirdo than anything.

Okay so that’s what Gilmour thinks, what about Roger Waters?

[Tommy]

 

He's such an idiot, and it was such a pleasure to see the crowd actually laughing at him. It's time to fully call him out on his stupidity, it's just a shame that his cult-like idiot followers actually embrace him for it. 

[Viva la FCB+]

7 minutes ago, Tommy said:

 

He's such an idiot, and it was such a pleasure to see the crowd actually laughing at him. It's time to fully call him out on his stupidity, it's just a shame that his cult-like idiot followers actually embrace him for it. 

I have little doubt that history will reflect just how stupid and crooked he was and how dark a time his reign was but in the present time its still something to behold. 

[6666]

This man was president and he may become president again.

 

Edited July 31 by 6666

[Dr. Gonzo]

28 minutes ago, Tommy said:

 

He's such an idiot, and it was such a pleasure to see the crowd actually laughing at him. It's time to fully call him out on his stupidity, it's just a shame that his cult-like idiot followers actually embrace him for it. 

The entire interview is absolutely wild. I don't even think the Kamala Harris campaign could have had an AI generated Trump video trainwreck make Trump look quite as bad and unhinged as this interview managed to do.

[RandoEFC+]

Polling and odds still steadily moving in Kamala's favour .

[Tommy]

 

 

[Coma+]

I would have preferred Booty-Judge.

[Rucksackfranzose]

Just saw a word creation that made me laugh. Trump's campaign called Walz a"dangerously liberal extremist".  Might be news to them yet political extremism is illiberal per definition in the sense of wanting to negate personal and political liberties.

[Tommy]

Just saw Walz's first speech as running mate, and he seems awesome. 

[Viva la FCB+]

This might be one of the best rants Ive seen from any news media member in some time. So perfectly on the nose. 

 

[Spike]

On 09/08/2024 at 10:41, Viva la FCB said:

This might be one of the best rants Ive seen from any news media member in some time. So perfectly on the nose. 

 

So he is mad that Trump is doing the exact same thing he has done for over a decade and he wants to show the Michigan speech where Harris failed so badly and nearly (and probably did) tank her whole campaign in Michigan?

What a pointless rant.

[Viva la FCB+]

On 10/08/2024 at 12:25, Spike said:

So he is mad that Trump is doing the exact same thing he has done for over a decade and he wants to show the Michigan speech where Harris failed so badly and nearly (and probably did) tank her whole campaign in Michigan?

What a pointless rant.

Yeah I didn't get that at all but alright man. He blames the media nearly entirely and even his own network because they've all fallen in the trap of just looking at numbers and their own bottom lines instead of actual reporting. Such as calling out not fact checking Trump, he's not blaming Trump at all lol.

[Spike]

1 hour ago, Viva la FCB said:

Yeah I didn't get that at all but alright man. He blames the media nearly entirely and even his own network because they've all fallen in the trap of just looking at numbers and their own bottom lines instead of actual reporting. Such as calling out not fact checking Trump, he's not blaming Trump at all lol.

There is no trap, that’s what mass media has been since it was industrialised in the mid-19th century. Reporting has never been important, sales and narrative control is the goal.

He is just lamenting media being what it is, while being on said media. The only people watching are going to keep watching MSNBC/Fox/whatever. That’s why it’s pointless, whether is he right or not, and he is right about certain things, but not entirely. The media is fucked and biased but it’s not a revelation, it’s the nature of the beast and calling them out like this accomplishes nothing. The point isn’t facf or lie, it is narrative presentation. This is also paradoxically beneficial for MSNBC because despite him calling them out, he is employed by them and allowing him to say creates a narrative of reliability,  integrity, and credibility to MSNBC and their journalists by proxy, and engages with sentiments held by MSNBC viewers. It’s the same bullshit I see on ABC with Media Watch.

The sentiment would hold more water on an independent platform. 

 

[Viva la FCB+]

14 hours ago, Spike said:

There is no trap, that’s what mass media has been since it was industrialised in the mid-19th century. Reporting has never been important, sales and narrative control is the goal.

He is just lamenting media being what it is, while being on said media. The only people watching are going to keep watching MSNBC/Fox/whatever. That’s why it’s pointless, whether is he right or not, and he is right about certain things, but not entirely. The media is fucked and biased but it’s not a revelation, it’s the nature of the beast and calling them out like this accomplishes nothing. The point isn’t facf or lie, it is narrative presentation. This is also paradoxically beneficial for MSNBC because despite him calling them out, he is employed by them and allowing him to say creates a narrative of reliability,  integrity, and credibility to MSNBC and their journalists by proxy, and engages with sentiments held by MSNBC viewers. It’s the same bullshit I see on ABC with Media Watch.

The sentiment would hold more water on an independent platform. 

 

Its not a gotcha moment or any big revelation but it certainly is very rare for any media member part of the system to call it out for what it is. That is why its important to spread the message regardless imo even if it reaches a handful of new people its worth it. Its why I applaud Buttigieg for going on Fox because you're absolutely right enough people dont go outside their eco chambers or algorithm or even attempt to fact check for themselves anymore. Whether or not he changes anyone's opinion is unlikely and hes even said himself if he reaches one person its worth it to him. 

[Azeem]

 

[Spike]

Isn’t it great how Kamala Harris attached herself to a bunch of radical and progressive policies(for the USA), then immediately dropped them in favour of the typical Democrat ‘republican lite’ policies that compromise with America’s burgeoning right-wing descent into Fascism. It’s great they are fighting the slide into Christian Nationalism with Bush era policy.

[Dr. Gonzo]

On 20/08/2024 at 04:29, Spike said:

Isn’t it great how Kamala Harris attached herself to a bunch of radical and progressive policies(for the USA), then immediately dropped them in favour of the typical Democrat ‘republican lite’ policies that compromise with America’s burgeoning right-wing descent into Fascism. It’s great they are fighting the slide into Christian Nationalism with Bush era policy.

Tbh she only really attached herself to "radical policies" (which for the US is slightly left leaning lol) while in the senate. It's actually interesting she's campaigning on more of a centrist platform compared to someone like Obama who campaigned as someone more left wing but when he actually became president was incredibly centrist.

Same old story with America though since the 80s. The right comes in and makes a mess of everything, some democrat comes in to steady the ship and in the process has to compromise with the right because of how American politics is designed to be slow and gridlocked -while simultaneously pulling America's centrist party that likes to dress up like it's a left wing party further to the right. Then a republican idiot gets elected, makes a mess of everything... and the process repeats itself.

The US, like the UK, is a more conservative country than I think a lot of people realise. The electorate gravitates towards the right and centre more often than not, anything that's actually left wing is painted as fringe and weird.

[Spike]

3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Tbh she only really attached herself to "radical policies" (which for the US is slightly left leaning lol) while in the senate. It's actually interesting she's campaigning on more of a centrist platform compared to someone like Obama who campaigned as someone more left wing but when he actually became president was incredibly centrist.

Same old story with America though since the 80s. The right comes in and makes a mess of everything, some democrat comes in to steady the ship and in the process has to compromise with the right because of how American politics is designed to be slow and gridlocked -while simultaneously pulling America's centrist party that likes to dress up like it's a left wing party further to the right. Then a republican idiot gets elected, makes a mess of everything... and the process repeats itself.

The US, like the UK, is a more conservative country than I think a lot of people realise. The electorate gravitates towards the right and centre more often than not, anything that's actually left wing is painted as fringe and weird.

Nah she was going on about stuff like medicare even during her VP nomination and initial Presidency bid. It's hilarious because FOX is reporting the opposite.

https://kamalaharris.medium.com/my-plan-for-medicare-for-all-7730370dd421
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/7-reasons-fear-kamala-harris-radical-medicare-for-all-schemes

[RandoEFC+]

We can argue about shades of left wing and or centrism until the cows come home. Compared to Project 2025 I frankly don't give a fuck what Kamala Harris' policy platform is. Donald Trump, for the sake of the whole Western world, cannot be President again.

We just had this in the UK. After the "here's what you could have won" edition of the Labour Party under Corbyn which was "left wing" by our standards (but barely left of fucking centre as far as Europe is concerned overall), Starmer's Tory-lite Labour is a disappointment but compared to the erratic and sometimes borderline evil governance of the Conservative Party it isn't a contest.

[Spike]

4 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

We can argue about shades of left wing and or centrism until the cows come home. Compared to Project 2025 I frankly don't give a fuck what Kamala Harris' policy platform is. Donald Trump, for the sake of the whole Western world, cannot be President again.

We just had this in the UK. After the "here's what you could have won" edition of the Labour Party under Corbyn which was "left wing" by our standards (but barely left of fucking centre as far as Europe is concerned overall), Starmer's Tory-lite Labour is a disappointment but compared to the erratic and sometimes borderline evil governance of the Conservative Party it isn't a contest.

Damage control is exactly how has come into happening. Project 2025 will just be Project 2033 under the Democrats, the Ratchet Effect is real, and it's been written there in black and white since Bill Clinton.

Also why do people say 'barely left of fucking centre as far as Europe is concerned overall' when Europe is literally having a fascist revival period in France, Germany, Sweden, Greece, Romania, Serbia and is literally happening in Italy, Hungary, Sloevenia, Russia, and Turkey. Is it just medicare and gun control? It's a start but it's a pretty low bar for a continent rich with the spoils of exploitation of the resources from the most of the rest of the world.

The USA and Europe can do better, and we should expect it and demand. But rolling over for the Democrats and the Labour Party and whoever the fuck weakly stands in opposition but still enables all the exact same bullshit when they inevitable compromise, yes they are better than the alternative, but they need to be held more accountable.

[Viva la FCB+]

A very effective ad. Nick Offerman's a gem.

 

[Azeem]