Michael Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 A Russian helicopter shot down by the Ukrainian armed forces. As expected the number of casualties on each side, drastically differs between Ukrainian reports and Russian reports. Quote
6666 Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, El Profesor said: Does something like this ever end well? Quote
Devil-Dick Willie Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 I'm not concerned about ww3 until either Russia starts Nato hopping, or, in 10 years, China, who are watching the wests response to this and laughing, start invading western land (because the west don't care about Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong or India. Quote
Devil-Dick Willie Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 Just now, 6666 said: Does something like this ever end well? "10 000 bank robberies, murders and assaults have been committed by Ukrainian citizens" Interior minister. More seriously, I assume it's to a reserve army or national guard or the like. Normal people with no training aren't going to fight, not effectively anyway. And if random Ukrainian civilians start shooting at Russian troops, Russian troops will start shooting at random Ukrainian citizens. Quote
Machado Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 Artful Dodger needed to tell us how every other living thing on the planet would be better off if we got wiped out. 1 Quote
Devil-Dick Willie Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, Stan said: They think Putin didn't expect there would be anti war support from a nation of 150 million people? Todays society is odd. Everyone just sees things so black and white. 1 Quote
Moderator Tommy Posted February 24, 2022 Moderator Posted February 24, 2022 What the fuck? That is morbid as shit. Quote
6666 Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: They think Putin didn't expect there would be anti war support from a nation of 150 million people? Todays society is odd. Everyone just sees things so black and white. Everyone in Russia is evil. The protestors must be all the foreigners in the country. Only explanation. Quote
Moderator Tommy Posted February 24, 2022 Moderator Posted February 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, 6666 said: Everyone in Russia is evil. The protestors must be all the foreigners in the country. Only explanation. Who even remotely suggested that? Quote
Devil-Dick Willie Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tommy said: Who even remotely suggested that? I'm nOt QUiTe sUre PutIn BaNkeD on THis!!!! People in his diverse nation of millions having a negative opinion on an invasion of a neighbor? 1 Quote
Spike Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Coma said: Cutting off Russia's funds will get to the bottom of this. They're still very dependent on the west when it comes to banking, finance, cash flow, etc. as was mentioned above. When the Russian moneymen start getting hit in the pocket they will put pressure on Putin. The question is will anyone have the balls to do it? That sounds like WW2! I think that is too provocative IMO Quote
Spike Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Coma said: Cutting off Russia's funds will get to the bottom of this. They're still very dependent on the west when it comes to banking, finance, cash flow, etc. as was mentioned above. When the Russian moneymen start getting hit in the pocket they will put pressure on Putin. The question is will anyone have the balls to do it? That sounds like WW2! I think that is too provocative IMO Quote
Guest Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Machado said: Artful Dodger needed to tell us how every other living thing on the planet would be better off if we got wiped out. That is probably right to be fair Quote
Azeem Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 The only time a NATO member was attacked was in 60s when India took Goa from Portugal through force but NATO didn't got involved. Although I think that was different, it was a period of decolonisation and everyone including NATO was against Portugal clinging on it's colonies 1 Quote
Azeem Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: I'm not concerned about ww3 until either Russia starts Nato hopping, or, in 10 years, China, who are watching the wests response to this and laughing, start invading western land (because the west don't care about Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong or India. CCP in 2008 made a policy to not engage in any direct conflict till 2025, focus only on targeted economic goals. They seem to ahead than schedule 5 hours ago, RondónEFC said: I'd love to be wrong but if Putin gets away with this it probably marks the end of the West being able to cow the less liberal and democratic superpowers. If we're being honest, Russia and China can pretty much walk all over the US and Europe now. To believe that we have any power to tell them to back off or else is now a pretence. Just got to hope Putin doesn't go on to test the waters with the NATO countries on his doorstep because then it either will be WW3 or there will be no military response which will be an acceptance of effective powerlessness from the Western nations. Western powers played the war on terror card for too long. The time for telling Russia China to back off was in 2008-11 when they were building their muscle. Now the balance of power has changed. Quote
Dr. Gonzo Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Germany and Italy having reluctance to cut Russia from SWIFT is disappointing. I hope they’ve got an alternative way of responding strongly to this that is serious yet not serious enough to escalate tensions and drag more countries into conflict. 1 Quote
Devil-Dick Willie Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 26 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Germany and Italy having reluctance to cut Russia from SWIFT is disappointing. I hope they’ve got an alternative way of responding strongly to this that is serious yet not serious enough to escalate tensions and drag more countries into conflict. Spoiler, they dont. 2 Quote
Azeem Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Putin has this well thought out, the military build up was happening since April last year, it didn't happen in isolation. Quote
Dr. Gonzo Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Aladdin said: Putin has this well thought out, the military build up was happening since April last year, it didn't happen in isolation. Tbf Ukraine has also been saying that Russia is planning something for years Quote
Devil-Dick Willie Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Tbf Ukraine has also been saying that Russia is planning something for years Maybe the 2014 invasion tipped them off? Quote
Dr. Gonzo Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 34 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Maybe the 2014 invasion tipped them off? Yeah either that or the 8 years of them fighting after that Quote
Administrator Stan Posted February 25, 2022 Administrator Posted February 25, 2022 Ukraine blew up their own bridges around Kiev to stop tanks coming in. Quote
Azeem Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Direct engagement with Russian troops is out of equation unless a definite NATO member is attacked. Sanctions aren't hurting Putin much, he has his war chest. The only way to respond strongly is blocking the Black Sea straits for Russia. Turkey has the authority under the agreement but won't do it unless given absolute backing by NATO. Quote
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