Rick Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 The last time Allardyce was in a relegation battle, he lost it. The man has been left behind, he’s too much of a dinosaur to expect miracles from nowadays. Nuno showed with Wolves that he can organise a defence and have his players battle for every point. He is the one I would go for, absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: These Nuno and Rafa shouts are properly lazy. Nuno has absolutely no track record in a Premier League relegation fight and Benitez would be a bizarre appointment if you look at how ineffective he was in getting a poor side low on confidence to grind out results a matter of months ago. Let's not pretend the rationale here goes beyond "let's look at the most recently sacked Premier League managers and just tout them for it" . Allardyce makes a lot more sense given his track record, abilities and Burnley's squad. Rafa's style of play is similar to that of what Dyche has Burnley play, over the short-term they'd be a good match. Hardly lazy. Again same with Nuno. How many managers are there floating around now that have saved clubs from relegation over the past 2-3 years? Allardyce wouldn't surprise me but I think the last time he successfully won a relegation battle was in 2017. Quite a while ago. What Nuno and Rafa do have in the bank is a history of recently keeping a team somewhat competitive in this league with Newcastle and Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, LFCMike said: Whoever put Ole as third favourite needs shooting. Several times. Then thrown into a house on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted April 15, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted April 15, 2022 32 minutes ago, Danny said: Rafa's style of play is similar to that of what Dyche has Burnley play, over the short-term they'd be a good match. Hardly lazy. Again same with Nuno. How many managers are there floating around now that have saved clubs from relegation over the past 2-3 years? Allardyce wouldn't surprise me but I think the last time he successfully won a relegation battle was in 2017. Quite a while ago. What Nuno and Rafa do have in the bank is a history of recently keeping a team somewhat competitive in this league with Newcastle and Wolves. Allardyce has succeeded in umpteen relegation battles before the West Brom one. Nuno's Wolves had actual footballers, played with three at the back and stuff. Just because they didn't concede that many goals doesn't mean they played a 4-4-2 with a reliance on two big men in the box and wide men putting crosses in from the byline like Burnley do. Benitez is a manager that only succeeds under certain circumstances, mostly being able to create a siege mentality with a good connection with the fans and players that fully buy in to what he's trying to do. He's a micro manager. He isn't one of these fire fighter types who can just come in and galvanise a team over a do or die streak of ten games. Besides, I doubt he'd even take the job to be honest, I don't see what itch he could still have where Burnley is what's going to scratch it. The bottom line is, I don't understand the timing of this sacking at all. What I'm saying is there was a time where Allardyce, Pardew, Pulis and perhaps Hughes were operating on this merry go round of fire fighting relegation saviour managers. It was a viable strategy at one point to sack your manager if you're in the bottom 4 or 5 teams with about 12 games left to get one of these guys in and you had a better chance of surviving than not. They had an actual track record for it. I don't really get this default linking of recently sacked Premier League managers regardless of context to come and save the day when none of them really have that record to back it up right now. I'm not just talking about yourself, 5 of the top 6 managers on that oddschecker list there have literally just been plucked out as recently sacked Premier League managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: Allardyce has succeeded in umpteen relegation battles before the West Brom one. Nuno's Wolves had actual footballers, played with three at the back and stuff. Just because they didn't concede that many goals doesn't mean they played a 4-4-2 with a reliance on two big men in the box and wide men putting crosses in from the byline like Burnley do. Benitez is a manager that only succeeds under certain circumstances, mostly being able to create a siege mentality with a good connection with the fans and players that fully buy in to what he's trying to do. He's a micro manager. He isn't one of these fire fighter types who can just come in and galvanise a team over a do or die streak of ten games. Besides, I doubt he'd even take the job to be honest, I don't see what itch he could still have where Burnley is what's going to scratch it. The bottom line is, I don't understand the timing of this sacking at all. What I'm saying is there was a time where Allardyce, Pardew, Pulis and perhaps Hughes were operating on this merry go round of fire fighting relegation saviour managers. It was a viable strategy at one point to sack your manager if you're in the bottom 4 or 5 teams with about 12 games left to get one of these guys in and you had a better chance of surviving than not. They had an actual track record for it. I don't really get this default linking of recently sacked Premier League managers regardless of context to come and save the day when none of them really have that record to back it up right now. I'm not just talking about yourself, 5 of the top 6 managers on that oddschecker list there have literally just been plucked out as recently sacked Premier League managers. I'm not saying Allardyce can't come in and do a job...but it's been 5 years since he's done it, there really isn't a manager in that mould that has come in as a fire fighter in recent years, and tbh the one man you could maybe still rely on is at Watford. I agree that Rafa probably won't take the job, but at the same time, he took the Newcastle job, Everton job....wouldn't be surprising. At Burnley he will have a group of players who will give everything for his style of play, the same as at Newcastle, at Everton he did not have that from the whole squad and things fell apart quickly. Don't see why he couldn't do a good job, if there is an incentive for him to go to Burnley it will be £££ I imagine. Nuno did play a different formation yes, but I don't think it's lazy to link him as he's available, has Prem experience and overall what he wants from his team isn't a million miles away from what Burnley are capable of. With that said I don't think Nuno will take over. Personally I've no idea who will take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claret and Blue Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Goodbye legend sacked. Wrong choice for me by the board should of stuck by him until the end of the season at least.. To me dyche will always be a legend. Two promotions to the premier league champs of the championship. 7th place in premier league. Keeping us on on average net spend of 6m. Smacks of the board not having a clue what their doing For me dyche would of been the man to try taking us back up. Personally I think this will backfire big-time on the board. Gutted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claret and Blue Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 5 hours ago, Stan said: Their wage bill is apparently very high though. Not sure on the figures but is higher than some teams around them. According to who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted April 15, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted April 15, 2022 32 minutes ago, Sean the ginger 1 said: According to who This quite reliable site... https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/ And the ever reliable 'Swiss Ramble' on Twitter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted April 15, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted April 15, 2022 It's weird how their last game was on Sunday and the next one is this Sunday so they've let 5 out of 7 days pass before making the decision. Usually when a team takes that long between games to get it done, it's because they take the time to have someone lined up to announce as the replacement within hours of the sacking. Instead they've got Ben Mee taking over as player/manager for the West Ham game. All very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 19 minutes ago, Stan said: This quite reliable site... https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/ And the ever reliable 'Swiss Ramble' on Twitter... They're 4th lowest in the league for wages? Higher for comparison to turnover, which if anything just highlights how little they have to spend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 I though they would give him the chance to get back up. No Ben Mee for ages and being forced to let Wood go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted April 15, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted April 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, Danny said: They're 4th lowest in the league for wages? Higher for comparison to turnover, which if anything just highlights how little they have to spend I said higher than some of the teams around them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 I think this was a mental decision tbh. What is any "firefighter" relegation specialist going to do any differently than Dyche was already doing? Two promotions and however many years of punching above their weight in the top-flight when other managers probably would have gotten them relegated seasons ago... it just strikes me as a bit weird sacking him now. And without someone lined up to immediately come in and try to save them... I just don't see what the point was. I guess just hoping for a new manager bounce? I think they'll end up going down without a whimper now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claret and Blue Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Stan said: This quite reliable site... https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/ And the ever reliable 'Swiss Ramble' on Twitter... We've been in for players who ended up at Watford etc because of better offers. Whoever has the lowest they've not sacked dyche because of that. Their arses have fallen out and haven't got a clue. Typical business men who know Jack about football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claret and Blue Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Danny said: Tell you what though this job has Rafa written all over it. If he keeps them up and relegates Everton....what a mad old story that'd end up being Not a chance. Too up his own arse to manage a Club the size of Burnley. Wouldn't want that arrogant prick either out dated tosser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Mick McCarthy's available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Stan said: I said higher than some of the teams around them? Was more just responding to the comment about their wage bill being very high. But I was also putting off writing an assignment so feel free to ignore me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claret and Blue Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Waylander said: I though they would give him the chance to get back up. No Ben Mee for ages and being forced to let Wood go. Forced to let wood go trust me we didn't put up a fight to keep him. He wanted out. We got 25m for him almost double what we paid Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted April 15, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted April 15, 2022 29 minutes ago, Sean the ginger 1 said: Forced to let wood go trust me we didn't put up a fight to keep him. He wanted out. We got 25m for him almost double what we paid Leeds. Didn't he have a release clause which Newcastle met? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 14 hours ago, LFCMike said: Sam Allardyce has just taken Sammy Lee out from the cupboard under his stairs and is now charging their bluetooth headsets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claret and Blue Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 7 hours ago, Stan said: Didn't he have a release clause which Newcastle met? Yeh. Like I said there wasn't any sorrow from dyche or the club most of the fans didn't give a shit either because of the amount of money they paid. Wood won't even be first choice by this point next season Wood did okay for us. The thing that annoyed me when he did 1 was saying he'd been playing in his comfort zone. Basically not giving a toss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claret and Blue Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 Well said I'm still gutted now work up to go work. Feels like we've lost a family member who we'll never see again he brought success most Burnley fans could only dream about back in the day. When I was happy to be a mid table league 1 team and beat some of the better teams throughout the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ Posted April 16, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted April 16, 2022 On 15/04/2022 at 11:28, Stan said: Sad for them because you can already see where this is going. League One within five years I'm afraid. Only their fans will truly know but I definitely think he'll come out of it better than they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 West Brom should be going in Dyche. There aren’t any safe teams in the top flight who would take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 maybe Ole for the job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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