UK Politics & Brexit Discussion

[RandoEFC+]

1 hour ago, ...Dan said:

 

This isn't news anymore. It's news if something that Boris Johnson explicitly promised during the election campaign actually DOES happen.

[6666]

The people that voted Tory are a bunch of dumb fucks. Or their just pieces of shit. Either one.

Edited July 21, 2020 by 6666

[RandoEFC+]

37 minutes ago, 6666 said:

The people that voted Tory are a bunch of dumb fucks. Or their just pieces of shit. Either one.

Neither really in most cases. Unfortunately the majority of the electorate will vote based on which leader they like the look of more and, this time around, which one was (supposedly) going to make the newsreaders shut up about Brexit. The only thing that's really cut through since the election was the Dominic Cummings scandal but even that is wearing off and the Tories are drifting back towards a 10 point lead or so. It's a long, long game for Starmer to turn the tide after Labour decided to become a party of activists for the last 5 years. Make no mistake, Labour need to have a strong wing of activists to support them but they also need to remember how to look like a realistic government in waiting, that's going to take a while and there's going to need to be a reason for a wider audience to pay attention to Starmer. Now is not that time.

[Bluebird Hewitt]

Labour have agreed to pay damages to whistleblowers in the party, while Jeremy Corbyn has stated that the apology and payments made was 'disappointing', stating that the party's legal advice had a strong defence. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53489611

[RandoEFC+]

Hopefully this is another step towards Jeremy Corbyn becoming irrelevant in mainstream politics. He is damaging to Labour now and will always be associated with failure. I would have voted for him quite happily, especially when Boris Johnson is the alternative, but some of the things coming out now that were allowed to go on in the Labour party, and some of the things that had already come out, are inexcusable. Keira Starmer is doing the right thing in continuing to distance himself from the old regime.

It's time for the died in the wool Corbynites to let go. They've become an absolute embarrassment on social media now, more interested in criticising Keir Starmer than the Conservative government. At some point, these people will have to decide whether they're more upset about the right-wing government being in control of the country for another 10 years, or the moderate-left taking control of the Labour party from the far-left. Corbyn's failure as leader of the opposition has been one of the biggest failure in paving the way for Johnson's government with it's deadly combination of corruption and incompetence, to gain a huge majority and impose this damaging hard Brexit upon the country.

[Bluewolf]

19 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

The only thing that's really cut through since the election was the Dominic Cummings scandal but even that is wearing off and the Tories are drifting back towards a 10 point lead or so

Well I never saw that coming.... As always they are playing the long game, ride the waves of dissatisfaction until the voices tire themselves out and still remain in the same position without casualties as they started with... nothing will ever change

[Bluewolf]

So tired of seeing this Government getting away with so much shit and not being held accountable for any of it... 

[Bluebird Hewitt]

15 hours ago, Bluewolf said:

So tired of seeing this Government getting away with so much shit and not being held accountable for any of it... 

Can say the same for the Welsh Government as well. The media here are so snuggly up their arse and barely do any scrutinising whatsoever. 

[Devil-Dick Willie]

 

UK political landscape in a nutshell 

[Stan]

14 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

 

UK political landscape in a nutshell 

The picture hasn't loaded and it's just a load of numbers and words, a load of gibberish.

So yes, sounds about right. 

[Devil-Dick Willie]

Just now, Stan said:

The picture hasn't loaded and it's just a load of numbers and words, a load of gibberish.

So yes, sounds about right. 

Excellent. Actually I might get another warning point so i'm probably lucky 

[LFCMike]

Has Starmer led an investigation into the Labour officials working to lose the 2017 election yet?

[Inverted]

Starmer was scared of any court proceedings dragging the furore over the Panorama documentary out over time, even if the party ended up winning. And they had been advised thet the party had a good chance of doing so. 

So basically the party has decided to settle, in principle accepting that all the Jewish party members who fought for a GE win, should apologise to the treacherous cranks who purposefully sabotaged disciplinary proceedings against anti-semites.

 

Here's the idiotic, transparent plan which has now somehow worked:

1. Express concerns over the new leader's anti-semitism.

2. Purposefully bury and delay disciplinary proceedings against anti-semites using your positions in the party. 

3. Send some people to the BBC as "whistleblowers" about Labour antisemitism, conveniently not mentioning that they are affiliated with the rebels within the party who are paralysing the disciplinary system. 

4. Sue the party for correctly insinuating that the whistleblowers are affiliated with those paralysing the investigations of anti-semitism. 

5. Shit yourself when texts are leaked which essentially prove points 1-4, and the lawyers advise you have little chance.

6. Laugh all the way to the bank after the party decides it doesn't want to defend itself, drops its case and all it's evidence against you, and chucks some money at you to fuck off. 

[RandoEFC+]

Given the current perception of the Labour Party, fighting the anti-semitism thing in court would be political suicide. The right thing to do is to make what appears to be an apology, even if some of the accusations were unfounded or exaggerated, and draw a line under the whole thing.

Labour's image with so many voters has been in absolute tatters, and rightly or wrongly they need to get this anti-semitism stuff out of the headlines. Get rid of that and Brexit by the next election and the Tories will destroy themselves trying to lie their way out of the disaster they inflict upon the country through a hard Brexit. Very easy steps for Labour to go into the next election in a good position.

[Inverted]

4 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

Given the current perception of the Labour Party, fighting the anti-semitism thing in court would be political suicide. The right thing to do is to make what appears to be an apology, even if some of the accusations were unfounded or exaggerated, and draw a line under the whole thing.

Labour's image with so many voters has been in absolute tatters, and rightly or wrongly they need to get this anti-semitism stuff out of the headlines. Get rid of that and Brexit by the next election and the Tories will destroy themselves trying to lie their way out of the disaster they inflict upon the country through a hard Brexit. Very easy steps for Labour to go into the next election in a good position.

I'm not denying that it might be a savvy political decision, but it doesn't make it any easier to watch a shower of liars and racists waltz off with hard-earned members' cash.

And Corbyn is now being sued for pointing out the basic fact that it was a political decision to settle. There is very little factfinding or reason going around here, just dirty politicking and bullying. 

 

Edit: Also nobody had touched on the irony that in an era of hysteria, over far-left ultra-woke destruction of free speech, the reality on the ground is that those with wealth use their resources to relentlessy hound and litigate left-wing figures into silence. 

If cancel culture exists in any real way, then Jeremy Corbyn is objectively the biggest victim of it in the UK.

Edited July 23, 2020 by Inverted

[RandoEFC+]

Sounds like the Tory MP and ex-minister arrested last night for rape and a couple of other offences is "Sir" Iain Duncan-Smith. I couldn't be less surprised.

Knighting him was bad enough. The way that politicians get held up as "serving the public" and half of them end up getting honoured for getting repeatedly re-elected in safe seats and achieving the square root of fuck all while getting paid triple the national average wage is already farcical. IDS is actually worse given that, as a politician, he's been a failed leader of the opposition before presiding over a financial assault on the most vulnerable in the country in the form of Universal Credit. Don't forget though it was Corbyn and McDonnell who wanted to "STEAL ALL OF YOUR MONEY". If he is found guilty of these offences then it should raise serious questions about the process of the honours system in this country, along with all of the cronies that were given places in the House of Lords earlier this week including a Russian media baron whose father is a known former KGB agent.

Don't hold your breath though. We've already seen over the past year that it's a greater offence in the royal family to be (or get married to) a black woman than it is to be an actual paedophile.

I don't want to ramble on but "Sir" Iain Duncan Smith getting charged with rape pretty much sums up how rotten and corrupt the good old British Eton establishment is and how untouchable they think they are. Predictably, though, too many in the UK continue to fetishise the royal family and the class system despite it actively making most of their lives worse.

[Inverted]

Britain's elite institutions foster a vicious breed of pederasts, rapists, crooks and mediocrities, and the Tory party gives them a direct pipeline into government.

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 hour ago, Inverted said:

Britain's elite institutions foster a vicious breed of pederasts, rapists, crooks and mediocrities, and the Tory party gives them a direct pipeline into government.

Yup - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53630497

[Stan]

17 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yup - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53630497

That's ridiculous. Not suspending him continues the anonymity but that's in no way any excuse for not taking action as principle. Totally sets the wrong precedent. Again, I expect nothing less of this sham of a government. Move the goalposts as they go along. 

A law unto themselves.

[Bluewolf]

On 02/08/2020 at 17:56, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yup - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53630497

 

On 02/08/2020 at 18:15, Stan said:

That's ridiculous. Not suspending him continues the anonymity but that's in no way any excuse for not taking action as principle. Totally sets the wrong precedent. Again, I expect nothing less of this sham of a government. Move the goalposts as they go along. 

A law unto themselves.

I notice that they are not prepared to name this bloke either, If that had been anyone else they would have been named and shamed from the off.... getting mighty fucked off with these people thinking the rules don't apply to them and not having anyway to hold them accountable.. 

[RandoEFC+]

I'm undecided on whether or not they should reveal his name publicly until he's actually been found guilty to be honest. Removing the whip would be as good as revealing his name. What they should do is say that he isn't to spend any time in actual parliament while this is going on. That'll probably still allow people to narrow it down by who they see in the Commons after the recess is over but at least it's not publicly naming someone in relation to this story when they could still be found innocent.

[Stan]

3 hours ago, Bluewolf said:

 

I notice that they are not prepared to name this bloke either, If that had been anyone else they would have been named and shamed from the off.... getting mighty fucked off with these people thinking the rules don't apply to them and not having anyway to hold them accountable.. 

It didn't surprise me to be honest with how Tories run the media. 

[Bluewolf]

Johnson has today defended not suspending this mystery Conservative MP under investigation for possible sexual offences stating it was better that the police deal with the matter and decide if they wish to take the matter further before any action is taken against him....

In a normal working environment they would have suspended him pending an investigation and the police would have named him to allow others to come forward because that's how they treat everyone else accused of such crimes in other walks of life... This rules don't apply to us is frankly starting to sicken me, has that bloke got a single ounce of decency about him?? He clearly does not give a flying fuck about doing the right thing no matter what is going on around him or how bad the situation.. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

On 06/08/2020 at 10:42, Bluewolf said:

Johnson has today defended not suspending this mystery Conservative MP under investigation for possible sexual offences stating it was better that the police deal with the matter and decide if they wish to take the matter further before any action is taken against him....

In a normal working environment they would have suspended him pending an investigation and the police would have named him to allow others to come forward because that's how they treat everyone else accused of such crimes in other walks of life... This rules don't apply to us is frankly starting to sicken me, has that bloke got a single ounce of decency about him?? He clearly does not give a flying fuck about doing the right thing no matter what is going on around him or how bad the situation.. 

It’s disgusting seeing the tories go full “American politician” nowadays. Their motto might as well be “rules for thee, not for me” 

[RandoEFC+]

Reminder that the Conservative party is supposed to be the party of Christian values. What a horrible, xenophobic country the UK really is.