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Wenger Wants Financial Fair Play Scrapped

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Arsene Wenger has made a dramatic U-turn on his stance on Financial Fair Play and believes the rules "should be scrapped".

The Arsenal boss was in favour of the law when it was first announced, but says there's no point in having a rule "that cannot be imposed".

Paris Saint-Germain are currently under investigation by UEFA for potentially violating FFP rules.

The Ligue 1 giants completed the transfers of both Neymar and Kylian Mbappe this summer for what could total to more than €400million.

Speaking on French TV show Telefoot, Wenger said: "I wanted FFP initially. But now I think it should be scrapped. You shouldn't have a rule that cannot be imposed."

Wenger also confirmed that a club-record bid for Thomas Lemar was made, and that they will try to sign the winger again following their failed attempt.

"€100m for Lemar? Yes all true, I wanted him," said the Arsenal boss. "He decided to stay at Monaco. We will come back for him."

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-arsene-wenger-transfer-lemar-11103984

 

Wants it scrapped so Arsenal can fall further behind Man City and Chelsea under his tenure :ph34r:

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First clever thing Wenger has said in years...  He's putting pressure on UEFA which is good news.

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fair points raised really. 

No point having rules and guidelines in place if they're not going to be adhered to or clubs punished properly if it's abused. 

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The extremely rich clubs can get around FFP but the rest can't. 

Just scrap it.  

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Apparently, the EU does not recognise FFP and would over rule if PSG took them (UEFA) to court over it.. 

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8 minutes ago, shut up said:

Apparently, the EU does not recognise FFP and would over rule if PSG took them (UEFA) to court over it.. 

EU doesn't have any jurisdiction over football laws and it won't matter a bit what the EU say.  This isn't a case over free movement of humans across the continent and is a rule of economic fair play for the equal play for all clubs.

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The EU commission agreed a deal with UEFA that prevents clubs from using EU competition law to overrule FFP.

Unless something has changed in the last 5 years?

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He's not asking to scrap it, he's asking UEFA to act on the rules they've put in place.  If some clubs are permitted to get away with blatantly breaking the rules on various fronts and not just over spending, then what's the point in having the law?

In recent years there have been a number of clubs punished by UEFA for breaching the rules with PSG themselves already being one of the culprits that were castigated.  But if the rule braking is based on simple fines, the what's the point in adhering to the rules when if a club can spend crazy amounts of money on players that can't afford, they can also surely pay a simple fine.

This is why UEFA in the past three weeks have been very vocal about the investigations they were about to undergo and also adding that any breaking of the rules will e met with harsh punishments.

If you can'r uphold your laws, what's the point in having them?  That's what Wenger is saying.

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1 minute ago, SirBalon said:

He's not asking to scrap it, he's asking UEFA to act on the rules they've put in place.  If some clubs are permitted to get away with blatantly breaking the rules on various fronts and not just over spending, then what's the point in having the law?

In recent years there have been a number of clubs punished by UEFA for breaching the rules with PSG themselves already being one of the culprits that were castigated.  But if the rule braking is based on simple fines, the what's the point in adhering to the rules when if a club can spend crazy amounts of money on players that can't afford, they can also surely pay a simple fine.

This is why UEFA in the past three weeks have been very vocal about the investigations they were about to undergo and also adding that any breaking of the rules will e met with harsh punishments.

mate, he says it should be scrapped xD 

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Lemar must be fucking terrified right now with the threat of being kidnapped "we will come back for him"

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Just now, Spike said:

Lemar must be fucking terrified right now with the threat of being kidnapped "we will come back for him"

We've apparently already got him signed in Jan or next summer, depending on CL. 

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6 minutes ago, Stan said:

mate, he says it should be scrapped xD 

He says if the laws aren't going to be enforced, then they should be scrapped.

Honestly...  Some people act like headline readers these days.  Is it a syndrome going around this summer because it's been happening a lot. Worse than the newspapers themselves!

Here's the quotes with important stuff highlighted for you guys.

"there's no point in having a rule that cannot be imposed" 

 

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If it's not enforced then it doesn't need to be scrapped because it doesn't exist anyway :ph34r:

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3 minutes ago, shut up said:

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well said. I can see you're agreeing with Wenger that UEFA need to put a full stop to FFP.

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I always thought FFP wont work as there are tons of bypass routes that clubs can use to spend the money they want to. 

The only genuine rule that might work is if all clubs are forced to have a minimum of X number of players on pitch all the time from their own academy. These players should have spent atleast 3-4 years in their academy to call them their academy player, not the ones bought in at the age of 18 yrs or so. 

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1 hour ago, Gunnersauraus said:

I don't really even understand how it works and how teams get around it??

Just watch how PSG suddenly start advertising the Qatar World Cup as soon as it's allowed because it isn't yet.  That's how they get past it!  There are very few clubs (less than in half a hand) that are filtering through the holes...  The thing is that if UEFA want to, they can find these things out and they then should punish them severely.

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Financial fair play will never work. If someone wants to give a football club billions of pounds to spend then obviously both parties have a massive vested interest in making that happen and they'll find a way.

If governments across the world still can't effectively prevent tax evasion, anyone who thinks the organisational skills of the likes of UEFA and FIFA can stop the PSGs and Man Citys of the world getting their money where they want it to be is kidding themselves.

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Financial fair play is supposed to be about stopping clubs being ran into the ground by morons like at Leeds and Portsmouth. For that so far it has worked. 

It's UEFA who decided they would also use it to protect the hegemony of their favourite clubs. Pathetic bunch and their Barca centric butthurt pursuit of PSG epitomizes it.

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Real "financial fair play" would be a salary cap.

Why should a club that has less fans in Asia be less able to succeed (due to having a lower revenue stream)? 

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50 minutes ago, Harry said:

Real "financial fair play" would be a salary cap.

Why should a club that has less fans in Asia be less able to succeed (due to having a lower revenue stream)? 

Bonuses can circumvent that as can 'sponsorships'. I doubt it is possible in a club system as every club would have to agree to the cap and report all their finances to a governing body; not only that but there'd have to a continental agreement between hundreds of leagues and clubs. To top it off, the only reason it works for leagues like the NHL is because the players contracts aren't owned by the teams, they are owned by the league. Patrick Kane's contract is written, discussed, created, and paid for by the Chicago Blackhawks but ultimately it is owned by the NHL. This prevents any sort of Superleague vs NSWRL incident like what happened back home in Australia during the mid 90s.  No teams can take their ball and go home because all power is funeled to the governing body and the players

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18 minutes ago, Spike said:

Bonuses can circumvent that as can 'sponsorships'. I doubt it is possible in a club system as every club would have to agree to the cap and report all their finances to a governing body; not only that but there'd have to a continental agreement between hundreds of leagues and clubs. To top it off, the only reason it works for leagues like the NHL is because the players contracts aren't owned by the teams, they are owned by the league. Patrick Kane's contract is written, discussed, created, and paid for by the Chicago Blackhawks but ultimately it is owned by the NHL. This prevents any sort of Superleague vs NSWRL incident like what happened back home in Australia during the mid 90s.  No teams can take their ball and go home because all power is funeled to the governing body and the players

This is probably where this whole system would never work. Can you imagine some of the bigger agents having to bend the knee to a governing body that controlled how contracts were designed for the betterment of a fair-play system across an entire continent? They'd revolt.

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10 hours ago, Spike said:

Bonuses can circumvent that as can 'sponsorships'. I doubt it is possible in a club system as every club would have to agree to the cap and report all their finances to a governing body; not only that but there'd have to a continental agreement between hundreds of leagues and clubs. To top it off, the only reason it works for leagues like the NHL is because the players contracts aren't owned by the teams, they are owned by the league. Patrick Kane's contract is written, discussed, created, and paid for by the Chicago Blackhawks but ultimately it is owned by the NHL. This prevents any sort of Superleague vs NSWRL incident like what happened back home in Australia during the mid 90s.  No teams can take their ball and go home because all power is funeled to the governing body and the players

Are you talking about the contract or the registration is owned by the NHL?  (I ask because I'm not clued up on US sports)

Because if it's the registration (which is very different but still extremely important), then each respective European football federation owns player registrations also.  With this comes defending clubs interests on players that come in and out of the league by the respective FA.

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2 hours ago, SirBalon said:

Are you talking about the contract or the registration is owned by the NHL?  (I ask because I'm not clued up on US sports)

Because if it's the registration (which is very different but still extremely important), then each respective European football federation owns player registrations also.  With this comes defending clubs interests on players that come in and out of the league by the respective FA.

I believe the actual contract is owned by the NHL and has to be registered to a franchise. I beleive that is how contracts are able to be freely traded between teams without amendments. I beleive that is also why there are no inter-league trades, only free agent signings.

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There is no perfect solution but before sponsorship (before the 1980's got going) or before TV revenues (before the Premier League got going) great teams lasted the cycle of their team ONLY. Now just having enough money to ensure you have the best individuals is enough to keep topping up your wikipedia honours list entries every couple of years at least. No need for any real passion, heart, history or identity.

 

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Due to the rumours emanating from France that Wenger could be about to become Nasser Al-Khelaïfi's right-hand man at PSG, I started canvassing quickly through some of the past threads and this one sticks out like a sore thumb.  I'm sure that with a little patience on Google and evolving key words we could get even further in all of this.

How any Arsenal fan could've defended what this man became and which was pretty obvious just shows how blind some fans are.

Obviously, this, if the rumours on Wenger taking that position at Paris Saint-Germain are true.

What an Escariot...!!! A total Wormtongue!

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