Goku de la Boca Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 1 minute ago, Cicero said: Until he wins the Euros, Zidane has had a better international career. World Cup win against that Brazil team won him the Balon d'Or too. That makes sense, but to say it's not a debate is silly. Mbappe is on course to break every World Cup record having only played 2 tournaments and he's 25. I'm not doubting Zidane's career but Mbappe is very much in the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 7 minutes ago, Goku de la Boca said: That makes sense, but to say it's not a debate is silly. Mbappe is on course to break every World Cup record having only played 2 tournaments and he's 25. I'm not doubting Zidane's career but Mbappe is very much in the discussion. Zidane's international career is essentially why he is considered alongside the greatest of all time. Hence why people claim its not up for debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 2 minutes ago, Cicero said: Zidane's international career is essentially why he is considered alongside the greatest of all time. Hence why people claim its not up for debate. Which is why I said wait til the end of Mbappe's career. I think he's good enough now to claim a debate but if he breaks every record like what's predicted, he will be compared to Pele at international level rather than Zidane. Mbappe has had 2 legendary World Cups already and has won one of them. If he manages to win a 2nd and god forbid a 3rd which is very possible, it will be tough to debate by that point. And to clarify I am not comparing Mbappe to Pele in footballing ability, rather I am comparing the potential international career he could retire with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 11 Administrator Share Posted January 11 Why god forbid he win a 3rd world cup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 Just now, Stan said: Why god forbid he win a 3rd world cup? Because I prefer the South Americans and England winning it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 09/01/2024 at 16:30, Goku de la Boca said: Mexico Hugo Sanchez Chicharito Cuauhtémoc Blanco or Rafa Márquez over Chicharito. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 11 minutes ago, Carnivore Chris said: Cuauhtémoc Blanco or Rafa Márquez over Chicharito. That’s right! I forgot about those 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 8 hours ago, Lucas said: Got to say, I generslly try to think the first two players thst come to mind. Not always the best, but generslly good, probably more iconic. When I think of Brazil, it's 100% Fat Ronaldo. Absolute phenominan. And that's even over Rivaldo and Ronaldinho. Pure magic. He'd always be my pick over Garrincha. Chile for me has to contain one of either Marcelo Salas or Ivan Zamorano, maybe even both? Germany would contain Jurgen Klinsmann or Lother Matthaus over Kroos, easy. England would contain either Gary Lineker or Alan Shearer instead of Keegan for me. France would be Zinedine Zidane over Mbappe, easily. Italy I'd swap Baggio for Dino Zoff or Buffon I think, as much as I love Baggio. The other two are just more iconic, especially for the position they play too. A few I've not seen mentioned that spring to mind for me... Belgium Enzo Scifo and Kevin De Bruyne. Czech Republic Karel Poborsky and Paolo Nedved Romania Georghi Hagi and Gheorghe Popescu Bulgaria Hristo Stoichkov and Dimitar Berbatov Denmark Michael Laudrup and Peter Schmeichel Sweden Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Henrick Larsson Switzerland Xerdhan Shaqiri and Stephane Chapuisat Cameroon Roger Milla and Samuel Eto'o Senegal El-Hadji Diouf and Papa Bouba Diop Ghana Tony Yeboah and Sammy Kuffour I can't really argue too much with most of your selections here, apart from Karel Poborsky. He had a good Euro 96, but apart from that, he kind of had an up and down career. His time at Man Utd wasn't a great personal success, although he did have some decent seasons at other clubs. However, I'd say that players like Tomas Rosicky, Patrik Berger, Jan Koller, Pavel Kuka, Jiri Nemec, Vladimir Smicer, Milan Baros, Petr Cech, Tomas Skuhravy, Zdenek Nehoda and Antonin Panenka were all arguably better than Poborsky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadLinesman Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 hours ago, Cicero said: Until he wins the Euros, Zidane has had a better international career. World Cup win against that Brazil team won him the Balon d'Or too. Zidane also stood out in quite literally one of the strongest international teams of all time with superstar world class players in every single position in an era of strong international football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reluctant Striker Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 On none English nations, I would say: Germany: Matthaus, Beckenbauer Holland: Gullit, Cruyff Australia: Viduka, Kewell Italy: Maldini, Baggio France, Mbappe & Zidane Sweden: Zlatan, Brolin Denmark: Peter Schmeichel, Laudrup Spain: Iniesta, Villa (for his goals, 1 tikka takka is enough for anyone, so Xavi misses out) Argentina: Maradona & Messi (easiest of all nations!) Portugal: Ronaldo & Figo (fairly easy too) Brazil: Fat Ronaldo & Pele Republic of Ireland: McGrath, Keane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Reluctant Striker said: On none English nations, I would say: Germany: Matthaus, Beckenbauer Holland: Gullit, Cruyff Australia: Viduka, Kewell Italy: Maldini, Baggio France, Mbappe & Zidane Sweden: Zlatan, Brolin Denmark: Peter Schmeichel, Laudrup Spain: Iniesta, Villa (for his goals, 1 tikka takka is enough for anyone, so Xavi misses out) Argentina: Maradona & Messi (easiest of all nations!) Portugal: Ronaldo & Figo (fairly easy too) Brazil: Fat Ronaldo & Pele Republic of Ireland: McGrath, Keane Portugal it's clearly Ronaldo and Eusebio. Figo I don't think gets into that. Also you can debate Zidane or Mbappe like I said but Platini is a no brainer. He pretty much was part of the start of when French football became relevant and apparently was better than everyone else who came after him. This is what my dad told me anyways. Also I'd like to add that me adding Garrincha is based on pure talent. He is a bit forgotten because he is as told by locals that he may be the most talented Brazilian in history, even moreso than Pele. Edited January 12 by Goku de la Boca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) England: Bobby Charlton & Bobby Moore Scotland: Kenny Dalglish & Denis Law Northern Ireland: George Best & Pat Jennings Wales: Ryan Giggs & Gareth Bale Germany: Frans Beckenbauer & Lother Matthäus Netherlands: Johan Cruijff & Marco Van Basten Denmark: Peter Schmeichel & Michael Laudrup Austria: Hans Krankl & David Alaba Romania: Gheorghe Hagi & Gheorghe Popescu Sweden: Zlatan Ibrahimovic & Henrik Larsson France: Michel Platini & Zinedine Zidane Spain: Xaviniesta & Luis Suárez Portugal: Eusebio & C.Ronaldo Italy: Paolo Maldini & Franco Baresi Croatia: Luka Modric & Davor Suker Turkey: Tugay & Hakan Sukur USA: Clint Dempsey & Brad Friedel México: Rafa Márquez & Hugo Sánchez El Salvador: Mágico González Argentina: Lionel Messi & Diego Maradona Brazil: Pelé & Zico Perú: Teófico Cubillas & Héctor Chumpitaz Colombia: Carlos Valderrama & Rene Higuita Uruguay: Luis Suárez & Obdulio Varela Chile: Alexis Sánchez & Arturo Vidal Cameroon: Samuel Eto'o & Roger Milla Ivory Coast: Didier Drogba & Yaya Toure Edited January 12 by Carnivore Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 43 minutes ago, Carnivore Chris said: Perú: Teófico Cubillas & Héctor Chumpitaz Like I clarified in my original pick, these are THE 2 Peruvians to choose. Comfortably the best 2 players this country has ever produced, however we have such a glorious history that you have so much to choose from. Cesar Cueto, J.C Oblitas, Hugo Sotil from the golden generation, Paolo Guerrero and Claudio Pizarro from the modern day, Miguel Loayza and Juan Seminario from the team that beat England 4-1 but couldn't play in WCQ due to travel limitations back then (one played for Barcelona, the other for Boca), and my personal favourite, Valeriano Lopez who was Santiago Bernabeu's first choice at Real Madrid over Di Stefano. He rejected them due to wanting to be closer to family and they went for the Argentine instead. Imagine what could have been, the best aerial striker Peru's ever seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 Valeriano Lopez is probably the best striker in our history and the fact Bernabeu wanted him is sometimes forgotten. Unreal heading ability according to the history books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 50 minutes ago, Carnivore Chris said: England: Bobby Charlton & Bobby Moore Austria: Hans Krankl & David Alaba France: Michel Platini & Zinedine Zidane Spain: Xaviniesta & Luis Suárez Portugal: Eusebio & C.Ronaldo USA: Clint Dempsey & Brad Friedel Brazil: Pelé & Zico Colombia: Carlos Valderrama & Rene Higuita As for other picks, these are the ones I want to leave a comment on. I will admit Bobby Moore passed my mind but England has so many players despite only having 1 World Cup. They are the pioneers of the sport after all. I think Moore, Hurst, Keegan, Lineker, Rooney all have a proper shot. I'm sure there are also many pre-50 footballers that I am not familiar with. Hans Krankl! My dad told me great things about him and how he was a star for Austria. Great choices for France. Platini NEEDS to be in all of them, but second choice is between Zinedine Zidane and Mbappe for me. Spain is Xavi, Iniesta, Luis Suarez, Butragueño and Puyol I think. Portugal is the easiest pick after Argentina. Disagree with the USA ones. Friedel is worthy of a spot but I don't think Dempsey gets ahead of Donovan. Zico is a superb pick and is forgotten because Brazil didn't win that World Cup, however that Brazil team is supposedly the best to never win and them not winning it changed their mindset for the rest of time. I think second choice could be Zico, Fat Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Garrincha. There is so much to pick from but those 4 are heads and shoulders above the rest. Neymar, Vava, Kaka, Tostao, Roberto Carlos, Marcelo and Cafu all have a say but I wouldn't call them different compared to the 4 I mentioned. Disagree on Higuita. James, Falcao and Asprilla before him. Even Willington Ortiz I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 Also I'd like to retract my pick on Toni Kroos and add Manuel Neuer. Sure he still isn't a "legend" when you see how successful Germany are but I think at a world level he revolutionized the sweeper keeper role and was also the best goalkeeper I've personally seen. I wonder how bold of a take that one is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Germany: Franz Beckenbauer & Gerd Müller England: Bobby Moore & Bobby Charlton Austria: Matthias Sindelar & Herbert Prohaska Netherlands: Johan Cruyff & Ruud Gullit Switzerland: Max Abegglen & Fredy Bickel Ireland: Pat Bonner & Roy Keane Portugal: Eusebio & C. Ronaldo Spain: Luis Suarez & Xavi Italy: Paolo Maldini & Gianni Rivera Brazil: Pele & Garrincha Argentina: Diego Maradona & Lionel Messi ( the easiest country of the lot) Scotland: Kenny Dalglish & Graeme Souness Uruguay: Jose Andrade & Juan Schiaffino France: Zinedine Zidane & Michel Platini Poland: Grzegorz Lato & Zbigniew Boniek USSR: Lev Yashine & Oleg Blochine Wales: Ian Rush & Ryan Giggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) On 12/01/2024 at 14:04, Goku de la Boca said: As for other picks, these are the ones I want to leave a comment on. I will admit Bobby Moore passed my mind but England has so many players despite only having 1 World Cup. They are the pioneers of the sport after all. I think Moore, Hurst, Keegan, Lineker, Rooney all have a proper shot. I'm sure there are also many pre-50 footballers that I am not familiar with. Hans Krankl! My dad told me great things about him and how he was a star for Austria. Great choices for France. Platini NEEDS to be in all of them, but second choice is between Zinedine Zidane and Mbappe for me. Spain is Xavi, Iniesta, Luis Suarez, Butragueño and Puyol I think. Portugal is the easiest pick after Argentina. Disagree with the USA ones. Friedel is worthy of a spot but I don't think Dempsey gets ahead of Donovan. Zico is a superb pick and is forgotten because Brazil didn't win that World Cup, however that Brazil team is supposedly the best to never win and them not winning it changed their mindset for the rest of time. I think second choice could be Zico, Fat Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Garrincha. There is so much to pick from but those 4 are heads and shoulders above the rest. Neymar, Vava, Kaka, Tostao, Roberto Carlos, Marcelo and Cafu all have a say but I wouldn't call them different compared to the 4 I mentioned. Disagree on Higuita. James, Falcao and Asprilla before him. Even Willington Ortiz I'd say. I would put Rivaldo ahead of Ronaldinho for Brazil. Best player in their Copa América 1999 win and their best player, along with Ronaldo, in World Cup 2002. Also Romário practically won the World Cup himself in 1994. To be honest, I agree with James, but due to him falling off at club level so quickly, I didn't like choosing him. For Colombia though, he's arguably their best. The Colombia team of 94, which Valderrama and Higuita were part of, was class and should have done more. There is probably someone better than David Alaba as well. I just couldn't think. Most of the best Austrian players are from before my time. Edited January 13 by Carnivore Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 On 11/01/2024 at 14:42, Carnivore Chris said: Cuauhtémoc Blanco or Rafa Márquez over Chicharito. IDK all the Mexicanos I know make fun of Rafa Marquez for being a cartel bitch. Ask America fans and Guillermo Ochoa is top of the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Spike said: IDK all the Mexicanos I know make fun of Rafa Marquez for being a cartel bitch. Ask America fans and Guillermo Ochoa is top of the list. I actually forgot about him. But you're right, he is likely number one. México have had some top players but then some who could have become much more for them, especially Vela. The greatest ever player from Central America is Mágico González. @Goku de la Boca Edited January 13 by Carnivore Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 7 minutes ago, Carnivore Chris said: I actually forgot about him. But you're right, he is likely number one. México have had some top players but then some who could have become much more for them, especially Vela. The greatest ever player from Central America is Mágico González. @Goku de la Boca They are also critical of Hugo Sanchez for being a terrible and overpaid coach. Chivas fans hate Ochoa, they mock him by saying he closes his eyes when he catches the ball. Chicharito, I feel people are fond of, as well as Hector Herrera, and Andres Guadrado. An dark horse is Chucky Lozano, they love him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 21 minutes ago, Spike said: They are also critical of Hugo Sanchez for being a terrible and overpaid coach. Chivas fans hate Ochoa, they mock him by saying he closes his eyes when he catches the ball. Chicharito, I feel people are fond of, as well as Hector Herrera, and Andres Guadrado. An dark horse is Chucky Lozano, they love him. I've heard alot of criticism for Hugo Sánchez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 On 13/01/2024 at 08:02, Carnivore Chris said: I actually forgot about him. But you're right, he is likely number one. México have had some top players but then some who could have become much more for them, especially Vela. The greatest ever player from Central America is Mágico González. @Goku de la Boca I am not as familiar with Central America compared to South America but I can confirm the El Salvador one. Costa Rica is Bryan Ruiz and Wanchope Abila, Guatemala is Carlos Ruiz, Panama is the Dely Valdes brothers and Luis Tejada, and Honduras I THINK is WIlson Palacios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Pantheon is a project by MIT university to rank the most notable people in human history based on how much traffic the Wikipedia profile of the personality gets. In order to get in the database the person's Wiki page must be in at least 15 different language versions of Wikipedia then it applies a complex mathematical equation to assign an HPI (historical popularity index) to rank personalities. https://pantheon.world/explore/rankings?show=people&years=-3501,2023 Based on that these are the most notable footballer figures player+coach born in each country (just born may not have actually played for that country). The ones I already know about are bolded. Please bold the ones you already knew about List A Afghanistan: Zohaib Islam Amiri Albania: Panajot Pano Algeria: Rabah Madjer Andorra: Oscar Sonejee Angola: Fernando Peyroteo Argentina: Diego Maradona Armenia: Henrikh Mkhtitaryan Australia: Graham Arnold Austria: Josef Bican Azerbaijan: Tofiq Bahramov List B Bahrain: A'ala Hubail Belarus: Sergei Aleinikov Belgium: Jean-Marrie Pffaf Belize: Dean McCaulay Benin: Stephane Sessegnon Bermuda: Shaun Goater Bhutan: Wangay Dorji Bolivia: Ulises Saucedo Bosnia & Herzegovina: Vahid Halilhodzic Botswana: Dipsy Selolwane Brazil: Pele Bulgaria: Hristo Stiochkov Burkina Faso: Jonathan Pitroipa Burundi: Shabani Nonda List C Cambodia: Chan Vathanaka Cameroon: Roger Milla Canada: John Van't Schip Cape Verde: Rolando Central African Rep: Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa Chad: Japhet N'Doram Chile: Ivan Zamorano China: Lie Tie Colombia: Rene Higuita Congo DR: Claude Makelele Congo Rep: Delvin N'Dinga Costa Rica: Keylor Navas Croatia: Davor Suker Cuba: Jorge Romo Cyprus: Michalis Konstantinou Czech Republic: Josef Masopust List D Denmark: Peter Schmeichel Dominican Republic: Junior Firpo List E Ecuador: Alberto Spencer Egypt: Mohamad Salah El Salvador: Jaime Rodriguez England: Bobby Charlton Estonia: Valeri Karpin Eswatini: Bongani Khumalo List F Fiji: Roy Krishna Finland: Jari Litmanen France: Zinedine Zidane List G Gabon: Mario Lemina Gambia: Omar Colley Georgia: Murtaz Khurtsilava Germany: Gerd Muller Ghana: Abedi Pele Greece: Theodoros Zagorakis Guatemala: Carlos Ruiz Guinea: Naby Keita Guinea-Bissau: Ansu Fati List H Haiti: Emmanuel Sanon Honduras: David Suazo Hong Kong: Chan Siu Ki Hungary: Ferenc Puskas List I Iceland: Eiour Guojohnsen India: Sunil Chetri Indonesia: Beb Bakhyus Iran: Ali Daei Iraq: Ahmed Radhi Ireland: Roy Keane Israel: Yochanan Vollach Italy: Giuseppe Meazza List J Jamaica: Raheem Sterling Japan: Kazuyoshi Miura (I knew he's the oldest player but didn't knew his name) Jordan: Amer Shafi List K Kazakhstan: Serhiy Skachenko Kenya: Michael Olunga Kosovo: Xerdan Shaqiri Kuwait: Faisal Al-Dakhil Kyrgyzstan: Ilzat Akhmetov List L Laos: Visay Phaphouvanim Latvia: Maris Verpakovskis Lebanon: Yousef Mohamed Liberia: George Weah Libya: Claudio Gentile Liechtenstein: Rainer Hasler Lithuania: Arminas Narbekovas Luxembourg: Louis Pilot List M Macedonia: Dragoslav Sekularac Madagascar: Anicet Abel Malawi: Russell Mwafulirwa Malaysia: Mokhtar Dahari Maldives: Ali Ashfaq Mali: Salif Keita Malta: Michael Mifsuda Mauritania: Adama Ba Mexico: Antonio Carbajal Moldova: Itzhak Shum Montenegro: Dejan Savicevic Morocco: Just Fontaine Mozambique: Eusebio List N Namibia: Collin Benjamin Nepal: Rohit Chand Netherlands: Johan Cruyff New Zealand: Wynton Rufer Nicaragua: Oscar Duarte Niger: Moussa Maazou Nigeria: Jay-Jay Okocha North Korea: Lee Yoo-hyung Northern Ireland: George Best Norway: Ole Gunnar Solskjaer List O Oman: Ali Al-Habsi List P Pakistan: Rubin Okotie Panama: Jorge Dely Valdes Paraguay: Jose Luis Chilavert Peru: Teofillo Cubillas Philippines: Paulino Alcantara Poland: Udo Lattek Portugal: Cristiano Ronaldo List Q Qatar: Akram Afif List R Romania: Mircea Lucesu Russia: Lev Yashin List S St Kitts & Nevis: Keith Gumbs Saudi Arabia: Majed Abdullah Scotland: Kenny Dalgish Senegal: Jean-Pierre Adams Serbia: Drajan Dzajic Seirra Leone: Trevoh Chalobah Singapore: Terry Butcher Slovakia: Ferdinand Daucik Slovenia: Branko Oblak Somalia: Abdisalam Ibrahim South Africa: Bruce Grobbelar South Korea: Cha Bum-Kun Spain: Santiago Bernabeu Sudan: Almoez Ali Suriname: Edgar Davids Sweden: Gunnar Nordahl Switzerland: Robert De Mattio Syria: Mahmoud Dahoud List T Tajikistan: Rashid Rakhimov Thailand: Kiatisuk Senamuang Togo: Emmanuel Adebayor Trinidad & Tobago: Dwight Yorke Tunisia: Sadok Sassi Turkey: Hakan Sukur Turkmenistan: Rolan Gusev List U Uganda: Pione Sisto Ukraine: Andriy Shevchenko UAE: Adnan Al-Talyani USA: Bert Petanaude Uruguay: Jose Nasazzi Uzbekistan: Vasilis Hatzipanagis List V Venezuela: Leonardo Jardim Vietnam: La Cong Vinh List W Wales: Ryan Giggs List Z Zambia: Godfrey Chitalu Zimbabwe: Benjani Mwaruwari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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