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16 minutes ago, Stan said:

The midfield is terrible.

 

Ironic how Maguire is the golden boy but Sterling has an altercation with another player and gets dropped, Maddison goes to a casino (!!!!!) and is dropped.

Southgate has no bollocks. 

Why would dropping Maguire be so difficult? Sterling is a far better and more important player to the team and he was dropped

Definitely an inconsistency but don’t see the no bollocks claim (insert joke about one bollock)

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6 minutes ago, Danny said:

Why would dropping Maguire be so difficult? Sterling is a far better and more important player to the team and he was dropped

Definitely an inconsistency but don’t see the no bollocks claim (insert joke about one bollock)

Because Maguire hasn’t been found guilty of anything (yet). There’s no footage of him doing anything (that I’ve seen) other than getting arrested. You could cite the court case I suppose but without Maguire, our best centre back (a sad indictment, I know), you significantly reduce the level of quality there, whereas Maddison is about 6th choice and completely disposable and Sterling had to go home, regardless of his value.

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2 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said:

Because Maguire hasn’t been found guilty of anything (yet). There’s no footage of him doing anything (that I’ve seen) other than getting arrested. You could cite the court case I suppose but without Maguire, our best centre back (a sad indictment, I know), you significantly reduce the level of quality there, whereas Maddison is about 6th choice and completely disposable and Sterling had to go home, regardless of his value.

I don't disagree Maddison is disposable but for what he did 'wrong', Southgate prompted the hounding he got after and gave him no support at all. Maguire involved in a criminal case yet gets full support?

Why did Sterling 'have to go home'?

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I wonder what Jack Grealish thinks right now. Try as he might, he just can't get in there can he.

Could he possibly have been ignored for his misdemeanor during lockdown or does Southgate just not fancy him?

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3 minutes ago, Lucas said:

I wonder what Jack Grealish thinks right now. Try as he might, he just can't get in there can he.

Could he possibly have been ignored for his misdemeanor during lockdown or does Southgate just not fancy him?

Doesn't he play best playing as a LW anyway? Would be hard to fit him in with Sterling, Rashford, and Sancho all fighting for wing spots. 

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7 minutes ago, Stan said:

I don't disagree Maddison is disposable but for what he did 'wrong', Southgate prompted the hounding he got after and gave him no support at all. Maguire involved in a criminal case yet gets full support?

Why did Sterling 'have to go home'?

I make Southgate right. Maddison was allegedly “too unwell” but well enough to travel into the city centre to go and play in a casino. Stupid behaviour. I

Maguire gets full support because the only footage out there shows absolutely nothing and he’s been found guilty of nothing, as yet. You could use the court case I suppose as an excuse but I dare to think who we’d have in place. 

Sterling went at Gomez in England camp, didn’t he? After years of cliques and the England side not gelling as it should have done, Southgate stamped down on it and sent him home, rightfully, for me. 

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2 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Doesn't he play best playing as a LW anyway? Would be hard to fit him in with Sterling, Rashford, and Sancho all fighting for wing spots. 

Yeah, very true. I wondered if Southgate would put him more central though in the 3 behind as opposed to LW but obviously not.

I feel bad for Saka. We've not actually picked a specialist LB, bit of a slap in the face when we have 3 RB's picked. Someone's playing out of position.

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32 minutes ago, Lucas said:

Yeah, very true. I wondered if Southgate would put him more central though in the 3 behind as opposed to LW but obviously not.

I feel bad for Saka. We've not actually picked a specialist LB, bit of a slap in the face when we have 3 RB's picked. Someone's playing out of position.

I don’t think Saka is a left-back, just a winger filling in. Defensively you’d rather Walker.

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11 minutes ago, Danny said:

I guess we’ll see the below? No left backs is mental
 

 

Pickford

Trent - Gómez - Maguire - Trippier?

Rice - Dier

Sancho - Mount - Sterling

Kane

 

Should be Winks for Dier imo.  Can also see Walker playing LB. 

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I just cannot fathom how he's ended up taking Kane, Ings and Abraham yet no left back. Surely you just drop one of those (Abraham for me) and bring in Chilwell, Saka or even Shaw.

Just bizarre that we'd choose to not call one up at all yet will definitely play with one.

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1 minute ago, Dan said:

I just cannot fathom how he's ended up taking Kane, Ings and Abraham yet no left back. Surely you just drop one of those (Abraham for me) and bring in Chilwell, Saka or even Shaw.

Just bizarre that we'd choose to not call one up at all yet will definitely play with one.

Chilwell still has that heel issue. 

No Saka or Shaw is bizarre. 

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3 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Chilwell still has that heel issue. 

No Saka or Shaw is bizarre. 

I did wonder if it was injury related or something to do with the talk that a number of our players aren't returning to training due to quarantine rules. Made me wonder if he was one of them.

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I can see why Villa fans are losing it on Twitter at Phillips being in but Grealish not. If it's for breaking lockdown rules then fair play but if it's on footballing merit, Southgate told Grealish he needed to play in the Premier League before getting a call up but yet Phillips is in having not kicked a ball in the top flight as of yet. Don't get me wrong, Phillips had been amazing for Leeds but I feel Grealish perhaps deserves his chance more.

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26 minutes ago, Danny said:

I don’t think Saka is a left-back, just a winger filling in. Defensively you’d rather Walker.

He had been playing as a wing back though for Arsenal. So much so, they pushed Kolasinac into central defence. So he obviously can play LB.

And I'd have thought being left footed, he'd be the most comfortable doing it out of all those players too.

I'm not saying he should start but he should be an option at least. He can feel robbed.

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Yeah Abraham shouldn't be anywhere near the England team if we are considering form. Scored only 5 goals since January and he doesn't offer anything when he's not scoring. 

I think the real crime is the only reason Southgate didn't bring Ross Barkley is because he's injured...

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15 minutes ago, Pyfish said:

I can see why Villa fans are losing it on Twitter at Phillips being in but Grealish not. If it's for breaking lockdown rules then fair play but if it's on footballing merit, Southgate told Grealish he needed to play in the Premier League before getting a call up but yet Phillips is in having not kicked a ball in the top flight as of yet. Don't get me wrong, Phillips had been amazing for Leeds but I feel Grealish perhaps deserves his chance more.

But as @Cicero alluded to, Grealish is competing for a wider role of the front 3. Phillips is a defensive midfielder. 

I did wonder if Grealish would get a chance in the 8 position, bit more central as a playmaker which I mentioned earlier, but Southgate has said he hasn't been playing there for Villa so makes sense why he wouldn't be playing there for England. Competition on the wings are fierce.

Phillips has an opportunity in an area where no one has nailed down that role. Several have come and gone but no one have made it their own. It's up for grabs and he has a chance.

And it's testament to Phillips that he has been called up because he's performed to a high standard consistently albeit a division below because not many Championship players are.

But that shows how well coached he is in his position. Bielsa has transformed him and turned him into a top player, Southgate acknowledges that and hopefully many others will soon.

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28 minutes ago, Lucas said:

He had been playing as a wing back though for Arsenal. So much so, they pushed Kolasinac into central defence. So he obviously can play LB.

And I'd have thought being left footed, he'd be the most comfortable doing it out of all those players too.

I'm not saying he should start but he should be an option at least. He can feel robbed.

Yeah I get what you’re saying, would have been good to have a left footed player in there. Though I think Kolasinac was pushed centrally more cos of show shit Arsenal are 😅

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2 hours ago, Stan said:

Ironic how Maguire is the golden boy but Sterling has an altercation with another player and gets dropped, Maddison goes to a casino (!!!!!) and is dropped.

Southgate has no bollocks. 

Well that's been well known since Euro 96. :ph34r:

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