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Bound to be for a while. Saying that I think my interest in England has hit an all-time low. I just cannot see a way out. We're stuck in a cycle.

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Long may it continue.... it would be unbearable if you were any good

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I'm shocked that England are still ranked so highly. I find the national team to be boring.

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Just now, Cannabis said:

It's because the ranking system is flawed.

Just like the music charts. :ph34r:

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3 hours ago, Cannabis said:

Good old Welsh trying to take the mick out of the English xD.

 

Same to be honest, I wanted Southgate as our manager so can't grumble at that but after the defeat to Iceland I cut a lot of ties to the national team. How Harry Kane can score over 20 goals a season for three years yet totally bottle the Euros is disgraceful and the players around him didn't do much better either. Beating Wales was the only highlight of the tournament for me and that was only because I was in a bar full of their fans. 

We're stuck in a cycle as you say and it's so hard to get behind as a result.

I thought they would go with Southgate and had £20 on him at 6/1 when Hodgson got the boot. Sure enough they got a manager in for one game and THEN they ended up with Southgate.

I just think there's something fundamentally wrong at England. It's the same style of play, the same type of players, no matter who is in charge. I really did think Allardyce was going to come in and shake things up a bit but although it was just one game, nothing looked to had changed to me really.

It'll be the same under Southgate. We will qualify for Russia, make the same kind of mistakes in our squad selection, get our tactics / style of play wrong and produce another utterly unforgettable tournament performance. It happens far too often for it to be a co-incidence.

I think England need a kick up their arse like getting a hard qualifying group. We keep getting lucky draws and we keep deluding ourselves as a result of them.

I just feel so utterly disconnected with it all to be honest. I won't actively want them to fail but I don't really feel a jot of passion for it. Even the Wales winner I didn't celebrate even nearly as much as your standard league goal for us.

International football as a whole though is flawed. The system is all wrong. We spread uncompetitive fixtures out over two year periods. It's shite.

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Squad for the Germany friendly to be announced tomorrow.

Would you add anyone to the regulars?

 

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Harry Winks - stave off the Spanish call up

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Could Defoe return? With Kane being out.

Vardy's surely in. He's looking back himself again. Probably it from us.

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Defoe finally makes an England return

 

 

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Full squad

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Call ups for Michael Keane, Ward-Prowse, Redmond, Livermore. 

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Are Danny Rose and Andy Carroll injured?

Surprised we've gone for nine defenders and Theo Walcott has been left out but other than that I don't mind this squad. Given Jack Wilshire fails to start every game for Bournemouth it would have been a pisstake on others if he made the side. It's no really Southgate's fault we're so light up front but i'm happy we've put a clinical finisher in Jermaine Defoe back in the squad. We shouldn't struggle against Lithuania but i'd fancy him to score if he had twenty minutes and we were pressing heavily.

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I'll be laughing if the worst England team in years outperforms the 'Golden Generation'. Maybe all you poms had to do was take out the divas.

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13 hours ago, Aaroncpfc said:

Are Danny Rose and Andy Carroll injured?

Surprised we've gone for nine defenders and Theo Walcott has been left out but other than that I don't mind this squad. Given Jack Wilshire fails to start every game for Bournemouth it would have been a pisstake on others if he made the side. It's no really Southgate's fault we're so light up front but i'm happy we've put a clinical finisher in Jermaine Defoe back in the squad. We shouldn't struggle against Lithuania but i'd fancy him to score if he had twenty minutes and we were pressing heavily.

Danny Rose is and not sure when he gets back.

Carroll has been injured and has only recently come back. 

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13 hours ago, Spike said:

I'll be laughing if the worst England team in years outperforms the 'Golden Generation'. Maybe all you poms had to do was take out the divas.

I wouldn't say they were divas. It was a team made up of individuals that completely neglected the type of players you need to make up a team. Michael Carrick or Paul Scholes would have made a massive difference.

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2 hours ago, StanLCFC said:

Carroll has been injured and has only recently come back. 

Usually when a horse gets injured you put them down

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Smalling out injured, Ben Gibson (who?) called up to replace him.

 

 

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2 hours ago, HoneyNUFC said:

Smalling out injured, Ben Gibson (who?) called up to replace him.

 

 

Scott Dann picked the wrong season to lose all confidence.

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Gibson has looked good for Boro. Remember watching him in 2012 for Tranmere and he looked a step above then and a great talent. Another deserved call up. Southgate picking players in form at least

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Gareth Southgate has said Wilfried Zaha didn't have the passion to play for England. I'm sorry but what planet is that spanner on. What's Zaha meant to think when he constantly gets ignored for players like Lingard and Townsend. Id argue that he showed more passion in creating that goal for himself against Russia the other night than any of those fuckwits did against Russia in Euro 2016 and similarly shitter opposition in Iceland and Slovenia. I can't say id use passion as a word to describe our performances since either. England have lost out on a player who can add something different to our squad because of an unhealthy FA obsession of picking players from a top six club.

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There was about 10 players from outside the top 6 picked in the last squad. 

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To be fair, Parish is only concerned because he won't be able to sell him on for the English premium now that he's Ivorian apparently.

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Zaha's a right melt from going to the Ivory Coast. It's literally admitting that you're too shite to play for a decent nation so will cling to some family tree loop-hole in order to become an international.

 

 

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1 hour ago, DeadLinesman said:

To be fair, Parish is only concerned because he won't be able to sell him on for the English premium now that he's Ivorian apparently.

Think he'll be at the Lane Wembley come the summer

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6 hours ago, Cannabis said:

Zaha's a right melt from going to the Ivory Coast. It's literally admitting that you're too shite to play for a decent nation so will cling to some family tree loop-hole in order to become an international.

 

 

The country he was born in a family tree loop hole xD

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On 28/03/2017 at 4:56 PM, HK85 said:

There was about 10 players from outside the top 6 picked in the last squad. 

In Zahas position there is plenty of top six talent available that has always been preferred to him once they've played some form of first team football.

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On 28/03/2017 at 4:56 PM, DeadLinesman said:

To be fair, Parish is only concerned because he won't be able to sell him on for the English premium now that he's Ivorian apparently.

Yannick Bolasie.

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On 28/03/2017 at 5:52 PM, Cannabis said:

Zaha's a right melt from going to the Ivory Coast. It's literally admitting that you're too shite to play for a decent nation so will cling to some family tree loop-hole in order to become an international.

 

 

Family tree loop hole? He was born in Ivory Coast. Did Nigerian born Victor Moses do the same thing? 

I don't blame him for picking another nationality. If I was as talented as he is and was constantly left out for underperforming drovel associated with a top club I think id look elsewhere and score a brilliant solo effort against Russia too.

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