Inverted Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Also puts a dent in the "good guy with a gun" theory. Although I guess if the concert-goers had been armed with some LMGs and maybe some over-shoulder rocket launchers or recoilless rifles they could have put up a fight.
Burning Gold Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, Spike said: Gun control wouldn't change much at all. There are millions and millions of illegal and unregistered guns. It would only punish the lawabiders that already follow the laws to the T. People like this fellow don't give two fucks about your gun control laws and it wouldn't take him much time to gather an arsenal of illegal weaponry. There needs to be a huge seizure of illegal weaponry before gun control laws mean anything. It was possible in Australia with the centralised population, minor gangs, minor organised crime, and smaller gun ownership. I'd like to see the powers that be waltz into Engelwood and seize the thousands od weapons held by gang bangers. They'd also have to secure the land border with Mexico. Anyone got any ideas?
Spike Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, Burning Gold said: They'd also have to secure the land border with Mexico. Anyone got any ideas? Heh, I think I had a discussion with Gonzo about that. Turns out all the illegal Mexican guns comijg into the states are from the states to begin with! Literally shooting yourself in the foot
Administrator Stan Posted October 2, 2017 Administrator Posted October 2, 2017 i'm gonna be that guy and moan about the fact the mainstream media is calling this guy a 'lone gunman' as opposed to a 'lone terrorist'.
Spike Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 11 minutes ago, Inverted said: Also puts a dent in the "good guy with a gun" theory. Although I guess if the concert-goers had been armed with some LMGs and maybe some over-shoulder rocket launchers or recoilless rifles they could have put up a fight. Very rarely have I seen or heard of any yank using 'put up a fight' as a pro-gun stance. The only advocat I can think of is Jesse Ventura. The more common stance is arms detterence. Which to a degree may be true. It could be coincidental but the areas of Chicagoland that have banned guns altogether have higher rates of burglary. A perp is more likely to burglarise a place when they know they owner can't blow them away with their military grade shotgun
Spike Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Stan said: i'm gonna be that guy and moan about the fact the mainstream media is calling this guy a 'lone gunman' as opposed to a 'lone terrorist'. Did he have a political motive?
Burning Gold Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 13 minutes ago, Spike said: Heh, I think I had a discussion with Gonzo about that. Turns out all the illegal Mexican guns comijg into the states are from the states to begin with! Literally shooting yourself in the foot Wouldn't surprise me, but again the point is that they're already there. Stable door, horse, etc. 12 minutes ago, Stan said: i'm gonna be that guy and moan about the fact the mainstream media is calling this guy a 'lone gunman' as opposed to a 'lone terrorist'. There wasn't a political motive, was there? The standard definition of terrorism requires that. Also, I'm pretty sure the usual suspects at the Independent and/or Guardian are describing this as terrorism. Weird that one side of the political spectrum always seems to be ignored when the 'mainstream media' is being discussed. If it's a Muslim perpetrator, you get the Daily Mail, Telegraph, etc. describing it as terrorism while the Guardian,Independent, etc brush it off as an "incident". The right cry "Why is no one calling this terrorism!?" If it's a Non-Muslim perpetrator, the Guardian/Indy declare it a terrorist attack, while the Mail and Telegraph brush it off as an "incident". Then the left cry "Why is no one calling this terrorism!?"
Spike Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 I find it very bizarre that everything has to be rubber stamped with the 'terrorist' label before we can discuss it. Is it reslly that important to discuss the semantics of each incident to decode whether it was 'terrorism' or not? We don't know anything at the moment, this incident is Schrödinger's Cat. We simply don't know if it was a terrorist act or a random act of violence.
Burning Gold Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 ISIS have claimed responsibility. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-isis-shooting-claims-stephen-paddock-responsibility-latest-a7978941.html I'm... skeptical
Honey Honey Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 20 minutes ago, Spike said: Very rarely have I seen or heard of any yank using 'put up a fight' as a pro-gun stance. The only advocat I can think of is Jesse Ventura. Donald Trump uses that stance whenever there is a terrorist attack in Europe. He also used it when there was a movie theatre shooting in the US, to which Piers Morgan replied "good idea let's all stand up in a dark room and start shooting aimlessly"
Spike Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, HoneyNUFC said: Donald Trump uses that stance whenever there is a terrorist attack in Europe. He also used it when there was a movie theatre shooting in the US, to which Piers Morgan replied "good idea let's all stand up in a dark room and start shooting aimlessly" Fucking hell, when Piers Morgan gets one over you, it is time to go home.
6666 Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Spike said: Fucking hell, when Piers Morgan gets one over you, it is time to go home. He went home with Piers Morgan and now they're quite fond of each other.
Spike Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Burning Gold said: ISIS have claimed responsibility. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-isis-shooting-claims-stephen-paddock-responsibility-latest-a7978941.html I'm... skeptical Those cunts would take responsibilty for clogging my toilet if they heard about it
6666 Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 He managed to get at least 8 guns and 2 shooting platforms into his hotel room... That is insane.
Dr. Gonzo Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 It's crazy how many people were killed and injured. Gun rights groups will claim this isn't the time to talk about gun control... but it really is. It's insane what this guy was able to do.
Chaaay AFC Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Spike said: Gun control wouldn't change much at all. There are millions and millions of illegal and unregistered guns. It would only punish the lawabiders that already follow the laws to the T. People like this fellow don't give two fucks about your gun control laws and it wouldn't take him much time to gather an arsenal of illegal weaponry. There needs to be a huge seizure of illegal weaponry before gun control laws mean anything. It was possible in Australia with the centralised population, minor gangs, minor organised crime, and smaller gun ownership. I'd like to see the powers that be waltz into Engelwood and seize the thousands od weapons held by gang bangers. I agree with what you're saying. I do think it's too late for that now, but it should at least be put in place in my opinion.
El Profesor Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 39 minutes ago, Spike said: Those cunts would take responsibilty for clogging my toilet if they heard about it Your wife would still blame you, Spike.
Dickie Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 I haven't heard what guns were used in firing and which he owned vs not owned. Then again in Las Vegas it's legal to own fully automatic guns which to me is nuts. Gun laws need to be slapped on that nonsense, there is no reason a US Citizen needs a full auto gun...
bozziovai Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Spike said: Those cunts would take responsibilty for clogging my toilet if they heard about it exactly. they claim every attack as theirs. facking goats. If it were isis, then that facker would have shouted Allahu Akbar many times before he strapped a bomb unto himself and blew himself up. why can't the americans just admit that there are a lot of crazies in their country.
Honey Honey Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 His father had been diagnosed as a psychopath and was on the FBI Most Wanted List in the 60's. Something about apple's and trees?
Fairy In Boots Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 He’s planned this it’s not just some random act, the guns the event the line of sight the sheer ammo required is staggering. It’s going to be fascinating to see what his motives are, you can’t just put it down to him snapping.
Spike Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 12 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said: He’s planned this it’s not just some random act, the guns the event the line of sight the sheer ammo required is staggering. It’s going to be fascinating to see what his motives are, you can’t just put it down to him snapping. I think random act in this context means that there is/was no external motivation of the shooter.
Fairy In Boots Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 28 minutes ago, Spike said: I think random act in this context means that there is/was no external motivation of the shooter. There’s always a motive, it’s just whether we can interpret what it is. I don’t buy ISIS, it could possibly be gambling it could just be a hatred of country music, but there’s always a motive. Edit: IS have doubled down on claiming it’s him and released some sort of communication with him. Tbh I’m still very skeptic
Honey Honey Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 Are they still claiming the shooters name was Abu
Fairy In Boots Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 10 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said: Are they still claiming the shooters name was Abu Abu ameriki 😂 Alex Jones is claiming he’s Antifa it’s basically a shit show at present
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