Dave Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Is this the year they finally live up to their potential? Or will they be hindered by Roberto Martinez and/or egos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 One of the best defences in the world among one of the best attacks in the world. Lukaku, Hazard, KDB, Mertens, Dembele, etc, all in their prime. I think anything other than a semi-final from them should be seen as a dissappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Nainggolan is one of the best midfielders in the world imo, very underrated player, yet didn't make the callup. But players like Benteke do. I think Martinez is a genuine moron, personally, who's living off his time at Swansea and his cup win with Wigan (where he also took them down a league, let's not forget). They've got a lot of great players in their squad. And they should do very well. But I don't think they will, I think they'll be mismanaged and this golden generation will be pissed away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Wilmots was worse than Martinez to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Great individuals, on paper they would be favourites and yet they have still to prove they can do it as a team. They haven't beaten what I'd call a 'Big Team' in a major competition yet. From my recollection, they were poor in Brazil but had a piss easy games until they were knocked out by Argentina in Brazil 2014. A resurgent Italy played them off the park in Euro 2016 when it was their group to lose and even then, they fell into one of the easiest routes to a final they could get and still fucked up against Wales. I will not be convinced until I see them take apart a somebody. And by that I mean a Germany, Spain, Brazil, France etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 47 minutes ago, Blue said: Wilmots was worse than Martinez to be fair. He was aids. But so is Martinez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 On 01/06/2018 at 19:28, Lucas said: Great individuals, on paper they would be favourites and yet they have still to prove they can do it as a team. They haven't beaten what I'd call a 'Big Team' in a major competition yet. From my recollection, they were poor in Brazil but had a piss easy games until they were knocked out by Argentina in Brazil 2014. A resurgent Italy played them off the park in Euro 2016 when it was their group to lose and even then, they fell into one of the easiest routes to a final they could get and still fucked up against Wales. I will not be convinced until I see them take apart a somebody. And by that I mean a Germany, Spain, Brazil, France etc My take of it is they need to win a trophy to be considered a success, be that the Euro's or the World Cup, but with the strength of Germany, Soain and France I reckon they'll need a degree of fortune for that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ Posted June 10, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted June 10, 2018 They won't go past the quarters again. They're eerily similar to England of the last 10-20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 I could see this Belgium team winning in a drab unconvincing fashion similar to Spain in 2010. The fact Martinez is there though probably makes that less likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 On 6/1/2018 at 12:55, Dr. Gonzo said: Nainggolan is one of the best midfielders in the world imo, very underrated player, yet didn't make the callup. But players like Benteke do. I think Martinez is a genuine moron, personally, who's living off his time at Swansea and his cup win with Wigan (where he also took them down a league, let's not forget). They've got a lot of great players in their squad. And they should do very well. But I don't think they will, I think they'll be mismanaged and this golden generation will be pissed away. Nainnggolan isn't the squad because he showed up for training late several times and continued smoking despite being warned not to. Is isn't simply plug-n-play, there is a power dynamic and a structure. If Nainnggoaln doesn't do what the coach says, why does anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Imagine if France told Zidane to fuck off for smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted June 10, 2018 Administrator Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Imagine if France told Zidane to fuck off for smoking. or Brazil and Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 It's clearly not impacting how he's performing on the pitch. Martinez just wants to stamp his authority for whatever reason, but I doubt it's for a good reason. Because I don't think he's even close to being a good manager. One of the biggest frauds in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Imagine if France told Zidane to fuck off for smoking. That was also 20 years ago with different cultural attitutdes to smoking...and comparing Zidane and Nainggolan is a differetn world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said: It's clearly not impacting how he's performing on the pitch. Martinez just wants to stamp his authority for whatever reason, but I doubt it's for a good reason. Because I don't think he's even close to being a good manager. One of the biggest frauds in football. But you are okay with consistently showing up late for training? Say what you want about Martinez but Nainngolan would be at the WORLD CUP if he weren't a stubborn mule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted June 10, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted June 10, 2018 I don't rate Martinez as a manager but I think there's merit in him refusing to take a player to the World Cup on those grounds. Even if it's not the club manager, Martinez is the Belgium manager and if Nainggolan can't meet the managers requirements then it's his fault he's not going to the World Cup. Put it this way, if Martinez insisted that Nainggolan can't be part of the squad if he doesn't stop smoking and get on board, and then takes him anyway when that doesn't happen, he'd be a much worse manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 His father abandoned him before he was born, so I imagine he has rebels against male authority figures without even realising he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 On 10/06/2018 at 11:58, Dan said: They won't go past the quarters again. They're eerily similar to England of the last 10-20 years. England hasn't had asquad with half this much tallent in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ Posted June 12, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: England hasn't had asquad with half this much tallent in a long time. We've had some excellent players in that time period I mentioned. You can argue the toss on them but I don't think it's daft to compare the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 10 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: England hasn't had asquad with half this much tallent in a long time. 2006. Robinson Neville, Ferdinand, Terry, A Cole Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard, J Cole Rooney, Owen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Harry said: 2006. Robinson Neville, Ferdinand, Terry, A Cole Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard, J Cole Rooney, Owen Mediocre goalie, good defense. 2 perenial under achievers in a national shirt that go together like Israel and Palestine, a shitcunt ogre forward and a bag of broken bones and unfufilled promises. Oh, and Joe fucking Cole. You're off your head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Mediocre goalie, good defense. 2 perenial under achievers in a national shirt that go together like Israel and Palestine, a shitcunt ogre forward and a bag of broken bones and unfufilled promises. Oh, and Joe fucking Cole. You're off your head World class in 10 out of 11 positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 29 minutes ago, Harry said: World class in 10 out of 11 positions. Fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMike Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 It's not ridiculous to compare the two at all. Both hugely talented teams on paper. England failed to click and make is past a quarter final with their 'golden generation'. Belgium have so far have done the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 6 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Mediocre goalie, good defense. 2 perenial under achievers in a national shirt that go together like Israel and Palestine, a shitcunt ogre forward and a bag of broken bones and unfufilled promises. Oh, and Joe fucking Cole. You're off your head The fuck is wrong with Joe Cole? Won us the league that year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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