carefreeluke Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I'm currently teaching English to teens through football and one of the activities I have planned for next week is where the students in groups have to be a VAR team. They'll watch some clips of some footballing incidents and after each clip, they'll have to say as a group what decision they would give and explain why. I have some clips already but was wondering if anyone could think of some debatable refereeing decisions that I could use which would divide opinion, decisions that could go either way. An example is the Lucas Vasquez penalty last season in the Champions League where Buffon gets sent off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Gerrard's penalty against Milan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Italy's penalty against Australia in world cup 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Barca's comeback against PSG was full of mistakes that allowed that comeback to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Harry said: Italy's penalty against Australia in world cup 2006. Eh, figured someone would say this. Plays like that are why we have VAR. Without slow motion replays, that clearly looks like a foul. Only when you are able to look at it from different angles and slow it down is it obviously a dive...Can't really blame the ref for that one, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 36 minutes ago, Eco said: Eh, figured someone would say this. Plays like that are why we have VAR. Without slow motion replays, that clearly looks like a foul. Only when you are able to look at it from different angles and slow it down is it obviously a dive...Can't really blame the ref for that one, IMO. I'm not uncomfortable with it being a penalty. Even with VAR there is a huge amount of grey. The attacking player would usually prefer a penalty than play on so is always looking for that option. The question is at what point does the attacking player trying to create contact does it become a dive rather than a foul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Harry said: I'm not uncomfortable with it being a penalty. Even with VAR there is a huge amount of grey. The attacking player would usually prefer a penalty than play on so is always looking for that option. The question is at what point does the attacking player trying to create contact does it become a dive rather than a foul? Yeah - as a wise man once said, 'No other sport has more 'gray' area like football does.' Baffles me more when refs get it wrong WITH VAR assistance. Unreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Heaps of handball penalties are controversial in terms of generating discussion as most people don't seem entirely clear on the rule with regards to it being intentional or not. Quite a few of the VAR handball decisions have seemed harsh to me... Cool exercise that your organising mate. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ Posted July 15, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted July 15, 2018 Sometimes I think that the refs have a certain way of refereeing a game that a singular instance can't really show. Take for example the recent match with England and Croatia. The ref was literally terrible all night long and then went on to not give fouls and, in some cases, cards out at various stages of the game. This wasn't just because the decisions were hard but because I think he wanted the game to go on. In such scenarios it doesn't matter if there's VAR the ref is making decisions based on the betterment of what he thinks the game should be. It could be argued that its wrong by some but it could also be said that he's going the game some benefit by letting it flow and not stop and turn into a foul-fest for silly pushes and kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted July 15, 2018 Administrator Share Posted July 15, 2018 Iheanacho's goal against Fleetwood in the FA Cup earlier this year. In real time, he looks clearly offside. Slow motion, VAR-assisted replays show he was onside and goal can stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...Dan Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 The France penalty against Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserker Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Germany's penalty against Argentina WC 1990 Klose's flying knee against Abbondanzieri WC 2006 Neuer's flying kick against Higuain WC 2014 Owen's penalty against Argentina 1998 WC Owen's penalty against Argentina 2002 WC France's goal vs Ireland 2009 WC qualifier, offside and two handballs in the same play. David Villa's goal against Portugal 2010 WC De Jong's flying kick against Xabi Alonso 2010 WC Carlos Bacca's "disallowed goal" against England 2018 WC Obviously Hand Of God also, but that's already well known. England vs Argentina and Portugal in 66 WC were also quite packed of controversies but i doubt you'll find them on youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 18 hours ago, Teso dos Bichos said: Nani's "red" versus RM, worst call ever, even with Ronaldo Man Utd was the better team until that decision. Barcelona's "PK's" versus PSG that led to the comeback Roy Keane thought it was a sending of. Bit far fetched to call it the worst decision ever. Also Madrid had an onside goal dissaload in that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 17 hours ago, Eco said: Yeah - as a wise man once said, 'No other sport has more 'gray' area like football does.' Baffles me more when refs get it wrong WITH VAR assistance. Unreal Depends on how you interpret a decision. Take that penalty today. If you think the player moves his hand to the ball then it is a penalty. The issue is that football pundits and fans aren't trained referees. Sometimes when you hear referees explain things you can see how we are wrong and the referee was right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Sergio Ramos not being sent off, fined and then put to death for his assault on Salah in the CL final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 07:14, Berserker said: Germany's penalty against Argentina WC 1990 Klose's flying knee against Abbondanzieri WC 2006 Neuer's flying kick against Higuain WC 2014 Owen's penalty against Argentina 1998 WC Owen's penalty against Argentina 2002 WC France's goal vs Ireland 2009 WC qualifier, offside and two handballs in the same play. David Villa's goal against Portugal 2010 WC De Jong's flying kick against Xabi Alonso 2010 WC Carlos Bacca's "disallowed goal" against England 2018 WC Obviously Hand Of God also, but that's already well known. England vs Argentina and Portugal in 66 WC were also quite packed of controversies but i doubt you'll find them on youtube. Mate, I think @carefreeluke are looking for calls that could go either way, and thus are debatable. The 'Hand of God' is not debatable . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ Posted July 16, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted July 16, 2018 Definitely a weird one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserker Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, Eco said: Mate, I think @carefreeluke are looking for calls that could go either way, and thus are debatable. The 'Hand of God' is not debatable . Yeah, i agree, just wanted to cover my back by including it in case someone said "oh, you remember all that but you conveniently forgot the Hand Of God, bla bla". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Just now, Berserker said: Yeah, i agree, just wanted to cover my back by including it in case someone said "oh, you remember all that but you conveniently forgot the Hand Of God, bla bla". hahaha - I gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Football must the sport which has the most grey areas regarding rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreeluke Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 Thank you people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted July 18, 2018 Administrator Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, carefreeluke said: Thank you people. how did it go with the class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreeluke Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 Good mate cheers, I'm teaching general English and football English, one in the morning, one in the afternoon in East London. Believe it or not I actually prefer the general English as the students are much better on a lot of aspects (and I'm talking about their English level). Majority of the football students are good but some of their attitudes are absolutely dreadful. Behaviour is OK but for some of them, their attitude stinks and that probably annoys me more than anything when it comes to teaching. I'm teaching all teenagers mostly Italians, some from the Scandinavian countries, some Turkish and a few other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Barcelona's 6-1 v PSG has to be number 1, never seen a farce like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Cannabis said: Probably the greatest comeback in the history of the game. Damned by the people who praise it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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