SirBalon Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Danny said: It's fashionable to dislike someone who's actions have brought death and suffering onto an entire country? If only there were more people in politics who didn't see greed and war as a viable solution to problems they face. But then there'd be no bandwagon to jump on eh I agree, the war in Iraq was a massive error and everything else anyone wants to add to the rhetoric. But right now this country is going to the pits and there's worse to come if you're honest to yourself... I am selfish in this sense and look out for my own which means that as far as I'm concerned the bLair years were an epoque of the best we've ever had in this nation and anyone that denies that is either lying or was lazy during that period. I live in England and Blair done what was best for this nation whether some like it or not.
6666 Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 Why? We'll just end up going along with what the MLS want to do.
Danny Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, SirBalon said: I agree, the war in Iraq was a massive error and everything else anyone wants to add to the rhetoric. But right now this country is going to the pits and there's worse to come if you're honest to yourself... I am selfish in this sense and look out for my own which means that as far as I'm concerned the bLair years were an epoque of the best we've ever had in this nation and anyone that denies that is either lying or was lazy during that period. I live in England and Blair done what was best for this nation whether some like it or not. They would have loved you through colonialism.
SirBalon Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 8 hours ago, Danny said: They would have loved you through colonialism. Come on mate... I spend half my time going against that type of thing and stripping patriotism down to its bare bones. One thing has nothing to do with the other of you're an educated person. The problem is when you have these sorts of things being said by very unintelligent people because then you know they've been manipulated by one of many social structure afflictions. The war in Irak was wrong, it should never have happened and what's for sure Blair should never have joined in. But let's not pretend we attacked a sweet old man in number 92 Bagdad Square. He was a viscous evil tyrant that killed all those that had a different outlook on anything. Blair went stale toward the end of his tenure anyway and got too powerful to be honest. He wasn't perfect but he was the damned best thing we ever had! It sometimes seems that Tony Blair has taken over Margeret Thatcher's mantel as the evilist Prime Minister we've ever had.
Danny Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 2 hours ago, SirBalon said: Come on mate... I spend half my time going against that type of thing and stripping patriotism down to its bare bones. One thing has nothing to do with the other of you're an educated person. The problem is when you have these sorts of things being said by very unintelligent people because then you know they've been manipulated by one of many social structure afflictions. The war in Irak was wrong, it should never have happened and what's for sure Blair should never have joined in. But let's not pretend we attacked a sweet old man in number 92 Bagdad Square. He was a viscous evil tyrant that killed all those that had a different outlook on anything. Blair went stale toward the end of his tenure anyway and got too powerful to be honest. He wasn't perfect but he was the damned best thing we ever had! It sometimes seems that Tony Blair has taken over Margeret Thatcher's mantel as the evilist Prime Minister we've ever had. I'm aware Hussain was a cunt, doesn't mean Blair wasn't. Him destroying the lives of people who don't hold a British passport doesn't make him better than Thatcher or whoever else.
SirBalon Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, Danny said: I'm aware Hussain was a cunt, doesn't mean Blair wasn't. Him destroying the lives of people who don't hold a British passport doesn't make him better than Thatcher or whoever else. Mate, all leaders are like that. Just go country by country and we'll see all sorts of terrible or untoward things. I said from the start that Blair wasn't perfect but that it's become fashionable to overstate the situation considering the examples we have everywhere. Also... Like I said, Blair knows spin and marketing as his popularity was based on that. Infact he took patriotism off the wrong patriots in this country and made it accessible to all (Cool Britannia and all that)... He repossessed the Union Jack from those that have regained it once again. All of that is good for a leading voice (because that's all it will be) for the promotion of the Premier League.
Dr. Gonzo Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 3 hours ago, SirBalon said: Come on mate... I spend half my time going against that type of thing and stripping patriotism down to its bare bones. One thing has nothing to do with the other of you're an educated person. The problem is when you have these sorts of things being said by very unintelligent people because then you know they've been manipulated by one of many social structure afflictions. The war in Irak was wrong, it should never have happened and what's for sure Blair should never have joined in. But let's not pretend we attacked a sweet old man in number 92 Bagdad Square. He was a viscous evil tyrant that killed all those that had a different outlook on anything. Blair went stale toward the end of his tenure anyway and got too powerful to be honest. He wasn't perfect but he was the damned best thing we ever had! It sometimes seems that Tony Blair has taken over Margeret Thatcher's mantel as the evilist Prime Minister we've ever had. He pulled us into a war on false pretenses, wasted shitloads of money in doing so, and destabilised the fuck out of the Middle East to the point where we no longer worry about Al Qaeda... because out of the ashes of the Iraq war stepped ISIS and other shitheads. As far as I’m concerned every time there’s a terror attack in the UK, there’s blood on his hands. Bush & the other twats who pushed for the war as well. He shouldn’t be looked at as a good man or leader purely because he was a much more competent leader than those who followed. That’s more of an indictment on the qualifications and quality of the politicians our parties put forth & on society/the electrorate.
SirBalon Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 53 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: He pulled us into a war on false pretenses, wasted shitloads of money in doing so, and destabilised the fuck out of the Middle East to the point where we no longer worry about Al Qaeda... because out of the ashes of the Iraq war stepped ISIS and other shitheads. As far as I’m concerned every time there’s a terror attack in the UK, there’s blood on his hands. Bush & the other twats who pushed for the war as well. He shouldn’t be looked at as a good man or leader purely because he was a much more competent leader than those who followed. That’s more of an indictment on the qualifications and quality of the politicians our parties put forth & on society/the electrorate. I agree with all of that but I’m a practical person mate. I can seperate things and as ridiculous as it may sound, I look at the state of this nation then and now (most notably what’s to come) and I only wish we had someone like him (minus all that other stuff) now! We wouldn’t have had a referendum put to the people (most not apt to make such a decision) with so much riding on it.
Panna King Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 Blair will ban Man City for having players of mass destruction
Honey Honey Posted September 21, 2018 Author Posted September 21, 2018 15 hours ago, SirBalon said: I agree, the war in Iraq was a massive error and everything else anyone wants to add to the rhetoric. But right now this country is going to the pits and there's worse to come if you're honest to yourself... I am selfish in this sense and look out for my own which means that as far as I'm concerned the bLair years were an epoque of the best we've ever had in this nation and anyone that denies that is either lying or was lazy during that period. I live in England and Blair done what was best for this nation whether some like it or not. I feel like that is a time freeze analysis. All the major issues of today can be tied back in some large extent to Blair's actions or impact. So to complain about today and say Blair is great is to really say that time in life was great not the long term effects of what Blair's government did.
Smiley Culture Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 Forgetting Tony Blair's political career, looking at his CV, there's nothing sports related there and for me, I'd be after somebody who had prior experience in a sports related role, not just having worked within Football.
SirBalon Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Harvsky said: I feel like that is a time freeze analysis. All the major issues of today can be tied back in some large extent to Blair's actions or impact. So to complain about today and say Blair is great is to really say that time in life was great not the long term effects of what Blair's government did. Everything is connected to everything. You're never going to get a perfect political tenure especially in contemporary complicated times. I never said it was perfect, just said it was the best we ever had mate. What's for sure is that the route we've now taken isn't in the best interests of UK in the short to medium term and as for the long term, well that's Unknown and certainly caps any future predictions for our future generations.
Carnivore Chris Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 It's not that Tony Blair "rattles me", but I found him a very bland, dull, shite as fuck Prime Minister. He has no character, nothing about him. Then again, I can't remember any PM from my time in this country ever being any different. They are all the exact same dullard. People can say what they want about Trump, but he's another level of president to anyone we've had as prime minister in recent times. He actually has character and can relate more to the people. I'm not sure how the likes of John Major, Maggie Thatcher, Blair, and especially Teresa May can relate to or represent the general public in this country? They are just a bunch of dullard toff cunts. They don't represent anything, don't relate to anyone, they aren't leaders, they don't have anything about them.
SirBalon Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Rebel CRS said: It's not that Tony Blair "rattles me", but I found him a very bland, dull, shite as fuck Prime Minister. He has no character, nothing about him. Then again, I can't remember any PM from my time in this country ever being any different. They are all the exact same dullard. People can say what they want about Trump, but he's another level of president to anyone we've had as prime minister in recent times. He actually has character and can relate more to the people. I'm not sure how the likes of John Major, Maggie Thatcher, Blair, and especially Teresa May can relate to or represent the general public in this country? They are just a bunch of dullard toff cunts. So you're saying you love spin mate because that's what Trump is. Do you think for one second Trump is a man of the people or anti-establishment? I don't see you that way Chris! Leaders aren't there to be primer characters, they're there to govern with character... There's s difference!
Administrator Stan Posted September 21, 2018 Administrator Posted September 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, The Rebel CRS said: It's not that Tony Blair "rattles me", but I found him a very bland, dull, shite as fuck Prime Minister. He has no character, nothing about him. Then again, I can't remember any PM from my time in this country ever being any different. They are all the exact same dullard. People can say what they want about Trump, but he's another level of president to anyone we've had as prime minister in recent times. He actually has character and can relate more to the people. I'm not sure how the likes of John Major, Maggie Thatcher, Blair, and especially Teresa May can relate to or represent the general public in this country? They are just a bunch of dullard toff cunts. They don't represent anything, don't relate to anyone, they aren't leaders, they don't have anything about them. I wholeheartedly disagree. He can pander to people because some Americans are just dumb as fuck so they'll probably go along with anything cos they can't make decisions in their own mind (sweeping generalisation, I know). But just because Blair, May, Major etc were a bit dull, doesn't mean Trump is any good cos he is a bit more entertaining! I'd rather have someone dull that gets policies in place for the benefit of the people in the country they're serving (not saying the current lot do) than someone entertaining who comes across and acts like a massive fuckwit, alienating people and making an absolute tool of themselves.
Panna King Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Smiley Culture said: Forgetting Tony Blair's political career, looking at his CV, there's nothing sports related there and for me, I'd be after somebody who had prior experience in a sports related role, not just having worked within Football. His son is a football agent, which Tony Blair and his wife are behind as well with their legal advice.
Storts Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 Also Blair wasn't dull at all - brilliant domestic Prime Minister. Best in my lifetime and it's not even close. The successes under New Labour were unprecedented. He was smooth, charismatic and understood people. There is no comparison to Major, Brown May etc. ffs. Recently re-read his 1999 leader's speech. It's sensational. This country needs a leader like Blair again.
The Artful Dodger Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 People being questioned for being 'rattled' by a war criminal shows the calibre of human being we have in this country nowadays. Even if we must for some reason disallow his illegal war which has directly led to a far more dangerous world to live, both in the UK and in the wider world, his domestic policies don't really stack up as that much of an achievement. He disinherited Labour from its radical and apologetically progressive past, he used the Labour name and moulded it into a new, undeniably neo-liberal party concerned with power without principle and the party became interwoven with careerists you now see being parachuted into working class areas without a care for the people there. It's thanks to Blair you now have a Labour party with many MPs turning their noses up at a man who resembles true Labour pioneers like Anuerin Bevan more than anyone else. He is the epitome of style over substance, an empty, tediously charmless man with barely anything interesting to say about anything. The best thing that happened under his premiership (The Good Friday Agreement) was started before him and in fact people like Corbyn had been trying to get people round the table for years. The fact he now ponces round the world taking up such posts as Middle East Peace Envoy (the fucking nerve of the man) only further exposes his slippery, avaricious heart. Even now he can't take the hint and fuck off but he feels obliged to pipe up about all manner of subjects; a narcissist if ever there was one.
SirBalon Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 Corbyn’s Labour is an ancient outdated style of socialism that doesn’t worl and would ruin the country more than it is already. That type of socialism is designed to opose and not govern. That’s the best tool to keep a proper government in check.
Guest Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Storts said: Also Blair wasn't dull at all - brilliant domestic Prime Minister. Best in my lifetime and it's not even close. The successes under New Labour were unprecedented. He was smooth, charismatic and understood people. There is no comparison to Major, Brown May etc. ffs. Recently re-read his 1999 leader's speech. It's sensational. This country needs a leader like Blair again. Well that's your opinion mate others would disagree.
Storts Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 53 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said: Well that's your opinion mate others would disagree. They may disagree but they’re wrong.
Guest Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, Storts said: They may disagree but they’re wrong. That's so self opinionated. There are loads of people who know a lot more about it than you who disagree with you
Storts Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said: That's so self opinionated. There are loads of people who know a lot more about it than you who disagree with you Hahahaha like who exactly? Know a lot more than me, what a bizarre statement. Based on what? Anyone else here work in politics?
Guest Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Storts said: Hahahaha like who exactly? Know a lot more than me, what a bizarre statement. Based on what? Anyone else here work in politics? There are people who didn't like him who worked in politics. I'm mearly pointing out that being so certain you are right is a bit arrogant really
Danny Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 12 hours ago, SirBalon said: Mate, all leaders are like that. Just go country by country and we'll see all sorts of terrible or untoward things. I said from the start that Blair wasn't perfect but that it's become fashionable to overstate the situation considering the examples we have everywhere. Also... Like I said, Blair knows spin and marketing as his popularity was based on that. Infact he took patriotism off the wrong patriots in this country and made it accessible to all (Cool Britannia and all that)... He repossessed the Union Jack from those that have regained it once again. All of that is good for a leading voice (because that's all it will be) for the promotion of the Premier League. Fashionable to overstate? You will say anything to reduce the suffering of those in the Middle East just so you can have a PM you can actually look up to. He was no different to Bush.
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