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Not saying Neil Lennon deserved to have something launched at his head but given it’s a derby game and those sort of games tend to bring out the idiots from their Stella infused hibernation, goading the fans probably wasn’t his wisest decision and at the very least, he should be reminded of his professional responsibilities from both the police and his employer. 

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10 hours ago, Smiley Culture said:

Not saying Neil Lennon deserved to have something launched at his head but given it’s a derby game and those sort of games tend to bring out the idiots from their Stella infused hibernation, goading the fans probably wasn’t his wisest decision and at the very least, he should be reminded of his professional responsibilities from both the police and his employer. 

Saw that. Provoked attack on him but he was asking for it. Bound to get some lairy nutter take it too far and one did.

10 hours ago, Toinho said:

Another cracker by Rogic, this time in the cup. Arzani debut but got injured :( 

Wonder how long Celtic can keep Rogic. Seems to be an ever-consistent performer for them.

Shame about Arzani - how bad was the injury?

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Only an idiot would do something like this and expect to get away with it. Cameras everywhere, wouldn't take much to find them.

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Hearts 0-0 Hibs: Neil Lennon 'furious' over coin attack in Edinburgh derby

31 October 2018 | Scottish Premiership

"Furious" Hibs manager Neil Lennon called for the supporter who hit him with a coin during a stormy goalless Edinburgh derby to be "singled out".

Lennon was struck "on the jaw" moments after appearing to celebrate Hearts having an injury-time goal disallowed.

Hearts keeper Zdenek Zlamal was also "punched" by a fan while both assistant referees, Frank Connor and David McGeachie, were struck by objects.

"It's unsavory to say the least. It's unacceptable," Lennon said.

"People will say I was winding the crowd up; I wasn't. I was just giving a bit back for the abuse I was taking for 90 minutes."

Hearts counterpart Craig Levein said it was "ridiculous" Lennon and Zlamal were subjected to such attacks.

"There's no place for that," Levein said. "Bobby got punched [by a supporter] at one end and Neil has been hit by some idiot with a coin.

"I got a fright when I saw Lenny on the ground. I hope they catch whoever it was that threw it. They need to be dealt with."

'People say I bring it on myself... I'm not having that'

Police Scotland have already spoken to Lennon about the incident, and plan to speak to Zlamal.

Lennon turned around towards the celebrating Hearts fans after the goal was disallowed but he dismissed any suggestion he had done anything wrong.

It came seven years after he was involved in an incident with a Hearts fan on the touchline at Tynecastle during his tenure as Celtic manager.

"People say 'Neil Lennon brings it on himself, he deserves to get hit by a coin' or whatever. I am not having this," he said. "I've had it here before, a guy coming on to the pitch trying to attack me. It is not on.

"The guy must have a few quid because it was a pound coin. I would like to meet the individual who threw the coin someday, because I am not happy about it at all.

"It stung me; it is quite sore. I don't know where he has thrown it from, but it is a good shot. He might get in the World Matchplay [darts] next year. It came out of nowhere. I am furious about it, to be honest."

'It is just an absolute disgrace'

Lennon also said he hoped the supporter who punched Zlamal would be "singled out, banned and arrested".

Hearts manager Levein said his goalkeeper was struck by a fan in the Hibs end as he retrieved a ball from behind his goal during the second half.

Lennon said the Hibs fan responsible must be punished.

"We don't condone that. It isn't the face of our club or way we conduct ourselves. A player getting punched trying to do his job is just an absolute disgrace. He is not a Hibs fan," Lennon said.

"It's blackening the name of both clubs and Scottish football. This should be a showpiece game, it was feisty and intimidating, everything you expect.

"But if people can't behave themselves they should be banned, singled out, embarrassed and humiliated because they have humiliated the club."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46052581

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Is he the victim of racism or did he goad them?

Neil Lennon says he "may reconsider" his position as Hibernian boss after being struck with a coin during Wednesday's goalless Edinburgh derby.

Lennon believes he suffers anti-Catholic "racism" in Scotland and says there was an effigy outside Tynecastle depicting him being hanged.

The Northern Irishman was struck by the missile after celebrating a disallowed Hearts goal near the end of the match.

"I've thought about walking away when I was manager of Celtic," said Lennon.

"Again, with all the furore and the empty vessels talking after Wednesday - people spouting opinions and totally getting the wrong end of things, I may reconsider my position again.

"I had a career in England unblemished by this sort of stuff. I had two years at Bolton [as manager] - again, no abuse, no attacks, no suspensions or anything like that. And as soon as I've come back to Scotland it's started to rear its ugly head again."

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It's all bullshit.

Morelos got hit by a coin today and I don't feel like it was anything to do with the colour of his skin.

People are just idiots and can't handle losing, so they lose the rag. It's nothing to do with your gender, skin colours or religious beliefs. If people don't like you and they're cunts at the same time, they'll be cunts. (this time by throwing coins, other times by doing other idiotic shit).

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I remember Rio Ferdinand getting hit by a coin in the Manchester derby match in 2012 but I think the culprit was aiming at Robin van Persie who scored the winner, not Rio and not because of the color of his skin. 

 

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It's not racism and he did goad them.

Despite the goading though, I don't think it's acceptable coins should be thrown at him. You're always gonna get some cunts in each fanbase who react to the provocation.

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I'm sure the people who sent him bullets in the post must have been goaded into it by his over-exuberant celebrations.

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The 'Anti-Irish' thing was labelled at Aberdeen fans by his agent, which was hilarious. It seems unbelievable to some people that you can dislike him for who he is rather than what he is.

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Hearts are just a mini-Rangers, they copy the bigotry and racism of Rangers fans. It's no surprise that Lennon has been attacked twice at Tynecastle.

There is truth in what Lennon says, he's a bit of a gobshite but if he was a good proddy Scot he'd get away with it. 

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Laughable how he's playing that card. How can he not take any responsibility for it? You goad the home fans when they've had a goal ruled out in injury time you're asking for trouble, especially in a game like that.

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20 minutes ago, Harvsky said:

Problem is when you j'accuse without evidence you actually do a disservice to the cause.

He needs no more evidence than what is already there. Lennon has been singled out and targeted ever since he said he wanted rid of the colony of Northern Ireland and to see a United Ireland. He is a fiery character who stands up for himself but none of this was initiated by himself, if this was a Protestant Scottish man this conversation wouldn't even be on the cards. 

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1 hour ago, The Artful Dodger said:

He needs no more evidence than what is already there. Lennon has been singled out and targeted ever since he said he wanted rid of the colony of Northern Ireland and to see a United Ireland. He is a fiery character who stands up for himself but none of this was initiated by himself, if this was a Protestant Scottish man this conversation wouldn't even be on the cards. 

That's possible motive but not actual evidence for this particular incident. That ambiguity is how it does a disservice and you can see it in action right here in this thread. It's in Dan and ScoRoss' posts. Their response is a common one when someone starts imposing a political attitude onto anothers behaviour without hard proof. It makes the statement look immature and the individual expressing it comes across as having a chip on their shoulder. People tire of it which risks lowering emotion and respect.

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6 minutes ago, Harvsky said:

That's possible motive but not actual evidence for this particular incident. That ambiguity is how it does a disservice and you can see it in action right here in this thread. It's in Dan and ScoRoss' posts. Their response is a common one when someone starts imposing a political attitude onto anothers behaviour without hard proof. It makes the statement look immature and the individual expressing it comes across as having a chip on their shoulder. People tire of it which risks lowering emotion and respect.

Bit like the white man telling the black person there is no racism then. Lennon has faced very real bigotry for who he is and hearts have that history. 

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1 hour ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Bit like the white man telling the black person there is no racism then. Lennon has faced very real bigotry for who he is and hearts have that history. 

Well yes it is similar to the Paul Ince and John Barnes situation. 

We use stereotypes in order to make predictions of others where evidence is lacking. The history you speak of just acts to create a stereotype in which to make a prediction. The question is not whether the stereotype has any basis but whether going public with it in this instance is likely to convince anyone other than those who already strongly support it, as the goal is surely to convince as many people as possible that something more must be done.

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Waiting there for hours xD ?! Surely after a while you begin to realise no-one else is there and perhaps make some calls or ask some questions of/at the club?!

 

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"I said I’d like to explore what Steven Gerrard’s wife says about him being an emotional person.

I was told not to reference his wife directly and instead say ‘in the film it says you’re an emotional person.’"

So you're told not to reference his wife but go on twitter crying about it, mentioning his wife? Nice one. Gerrard has obviously realised this guy is at it and just bailed. Good on him.

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I don't understand this sectarian bullshit at all. Like I understand the core concept of Protestants and Catholics and years of conflict between them, but it's 2018, and it's not the Middle East, where religion is the end-all-be-all because for some reason medieval thinking prevails there - grow the fuck up. Neil Lennon's been in enough situations to know and understand the sectarian bullshit in Scotland, he's been at enough football matches to know that football fans can do stupid things when drunk and angry, and he should know that the Hibs-Hearts has it's own Old Firm sectarian bullshit tied to it.

I, obviously, think it's wrong that he's been hit by a coin. But at the same time, he's got plenty of experience in his life in football to have told him what he would do was likely to provoke a stupid reaction. And he's got the self-awareness to say that this sectarian bullshit doesn't just affect Catholics/Celtic fans/Hibs fans - it affects people at Rangers as well, in his recent complaints about sectarnianism in Scotland. And I think he's got a point, it's all fucking stupid and it needs to be left behind in history where it belongs. At the same time, I feel like his experience and knowledge should have led him to realise his actions might not have been all that smart.

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Nacho Novo is catholic and played for Rangers. Celtic fans sing/sung "I hope you die in your sleep Nacho Novo". Religion is the easy scapegoat in most situations. If you look for a reaction and get one, don't cry about it.

Novo wound up Celtic fans big time and they hated him. It's the same with Lennon, he tries to wind up everyone, putting his hands to his ears at the opposition fans etc

If you can't take it, don't give it.

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9 hours ago, Rab said:

Nacho Novo is catholic and played for Rangers. Celtic fans sing/sung "I hope you die in your sleep Nacho Novo". Religion is the easy scapegoat in most situations. If you look for a reaction and get one, don't cry about it.

Novo wound up Celtic fans big time and they hated him. It's the same with Lennon, he tries to wind up everyone, putting his hands to his ears at the opposition fans etc

If you can't take it, don't give it. 

Ironically, that's exactly what the Hearts fans can't do. They give him abuse all game, hang him effigies of him outside of the match and he gives a little back and he is hit with a coin...and he's the one that 'can't take it', fuck off. Lennon is no way the aggressor in this situation and he is right to call out the ridiculous nature of it, even if you don't agree with Lennon's assertion that it's sectarian, he's still spot on that he did nothing to bring this on. Unless giving something to bigots is now some sort of offence, good on him and hope he continues to be unbowed by the politically/religiouslly motivated abuse he gets.

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20 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Ironically, that's exactly what the Hearts fans can't do. They give him abuse all game, hang him effigies of him outside of the match and he gives a little back and he is hit with a coin...and he's the one that 'can't take it', fuck off. Lennon is no way the aggressor in this situation and he is right to call out the ridiculous nature of it, even if you don't agree with Lennon's assertion that it's sectarian, he's still spot on that he did nothing to bring this on. Unless giving something to bigots is now some sort of offence, good on him and hope he continues to be unbowed by the politically/religiouslly motivated abuse he gets.

Exactly, if certain Hearts fans can't take it, don't give it. If Lennon can't take it, don't give it.

It's pretty simple.

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All those Juve players surrounding him because he's an Irish Catholic, no other reason.

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14 hours ago, Rab said:

All those Juve players surrounding him because he's an Irish Catholic, no other reason.

Mourinho is a twat, if he was pelted with coins it’d be fully deserved. If he gets any abuse at all, he deserves it simply for existing.

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17 hours ago, Rab said:

All those Juve players surrounding him because he's an Irish Catholic, no other reason.

 

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Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has condemned the attacks on Neil Lennon, adding the Hibernian boss has shown "great dignity".

Lennon was hit by a coin launched at him during last week's derby at Hearts, while a piece of graffiti sprayed onto a wall near Tynecastle emerged a day later, reading 'Hang Neil Lennon'.

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Referees worried over coin throwing', says ex-official as police warn over anti-social behavior

By Phil Goodlad

BBC Scotland

49 minutes ago | Scottish

Referees feel "apprehensive" at top-flight games for fear of being struck with a coin thrown from the crowd, says former match official Steven Conroy.

Police Scotland are urging fans who witnesses any act of anti-social behavior at grounds this weekend to report it.

But Conroy told BBC Scotland that more must be done to protect referees.

"Why should a 51-year-old man feel apprehensive going to his work? It's just not right," said Conroy.

"They certainly feel apprehensive when they're going to games wondering and worrying if they're going to be the next one that gets their head split open with coins.

"During the games themselves, you're concentrating so much that it doesn't come into your mind - but it does before and after."

Assistant referee Calum Spence, Hibernian head coach Neil Lennon and Rangers forward Alfredo Morelos have had coins thrown at them in recent weeks.

Greater Glasgow Police divisional commander chief superintendent Brian McInulty told BBC Scotland: "This kind of behavior is entirely unacceptable.

"We encourage any fans who witness anti-social or threatening behavior, or someone intending to throw a missile, or indeed throwing one, to report it as soon as possible to a steward, to police in the stadium, or to their club's supporters' association, and it will be investigated.

'Zero tolerance'

"Robust search procedures are in place at football stadia to minimize the risk of prohibited items entering grounds, and officers and staff make use of CCTV as well as having officers deployed around and inside grounds to monitor fan behavior.

"Fans should make no mistake - if they are observed throwing a missile, they will be arrested. If they are caught with pyrotechnics, they will be arrested. We have zero tolerance for racist or sectarian behavior and language."

The Scottish Professional Football League, which oversees the Premiership, Championship and Leagues One and Two, said it is "vital that attending SPFL matches continues to be seen as an enjoyable experience that families can attend together in safety".

"We support the efforts of clubs, Police Scotland and other fans to identify and bring offenders to book," the organization added.

"We will be reviewing whether there is more than we can do to ensure that those who choose to misbehave are identified and punished for their actions."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46150617

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There's no strict liability in Scotland, so I can't see any club shutting down part of their ground voluntarily. 

Frankly, the media storm over the incident died after about a week and will be the same next time something like this happens. All clubs have to do is appear in front of some cameras for a week, say how much they are 'working to eradicate this' and soon the PR will be taken care of. 

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