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[OrangeKhrush]

a P63 has a midair collision with a B17 at an air show yesterday.   seeing how the P63 comes it it looks like he lost visual of the B17 due to the low altitude his nose is above the horizon and the B17 is out of visual

[Azeem]

Crew of both planes died. RIP

[Azeem]

Explosion in Turkey. I have a haunch this has to do with the Ukraine war. Turkey is hosting active belligerents from both sides it can become a battle turf.

[Azeem]

Second time he got slapped. 

[nudge]

At least 162 dead, several hundreds injured and thousands displaced after a 5.6 magnitude earthquake hit Java today  

 

[Tommy]

1 minute ago, nudge said:

At least 162 dead, several hundreds injured and thousands displaced after a 5.6 magnitude earthquake hit Java today  

 

Fuck me that's a huge death toll. It's not even THAT strong of an earthquake, which tells you all about the infrastructure in these places. It always hits those who already have it tough.  

[Tommy]

Wow. 

[nudge]

 

Sad developments in Indonesia. The western media seems to be focusing on the laws making pre-marital sex and cohabitation illegal, and while it's definitely bad, the other new laws are way, way worse than that.

Insulting the president, state institutions and government officials is now a crime which carries a prison sentence of up to 4 years. Protests and demonstrations without permit are now criminalised, participants can be imprisoned for up to 6 months. The new treason law carries a death penalty. Spreading any ideology that runs counter to the national ideology (Pancasila) is now banned and punishable by up to 10 years in prison. Blasphemy laws are expanded, and apostasy can now be charged as a criminal offense, carrying a prison sentence of up to 4 years. Reporting and spreading news that "can be suspected" to be misinformation or cause public unrest is punishable by up to 6 years in prison. 

At the same time though, the new laws will include more lenient sentences for those charged with corruption. You can't make this shit up.

[Bluewolf]

27 minutes ago, nudge said:

 

Sad developments in Indonesia. The western media seems to be focusing on the laws making pre-marital sex and cohabitation illegal, and while it's definitely bad, the other new laws are way, way worse than that.

Insulting the president, state institutions and government officials is now a crime which carries a prison sentence of up to 4 years. Protests and demonstrations without permit are now criminalised, participants can be imprisoned for up to 6 months. The new treason law carries a death penalty. Spreading any ideology that runs counter to the national ideology (Pancasila) is now banned and punishable by up to 10 years in prison. Blasphemy laws are expanded, and apostasy can now be charged as a criminal offense, carrying a prison sentence of up to 4 years. Reporting and spreading news that "can be suspected" to be misinformation or cause public unrest is punishable by up to 6 years in prison. 

At the same time though, the new laws will include more lenient sentences for those charged with corruption. You can't make this shit up.

That's outrageous... what a nightmare for it's people

[Rucksackfranzose]

46 minutes ago, nudge said:

 

Sad developments in Indonesia. The western media seems to be focusing on the laws making pre-marital sex and cohabitation illegal, and while it's definitely bad, the other new laws are way, way worse than that.

Insulting the president, state institutions and government officials is now a crime which carries a prison sentence of up to 4 years. Protests and demonstrations without permit are now criminalised, participants can be imprisoned for up to 6 months. The new treason law carries a death penalty. Spreading any ideology that runs counter to the national ideology (Pancasila) is now banned and punishable by up to 10 years in prison. Blasphemy laws are expanded, and apostasy can now be charged as a criminal offense, carrying a prison sentence of up to 4 years. Reporting and spreading news that "can be suspected" to be misinformation or cause public unrest is punishable by up to 6 years in prison. 

At the same time though, the new laws will include more lenient sentences for those charged with corruption. You can't make this shit up.

Thought Indonesia were one of the more open minded societies in that area. Guess I was wrong, either that or I 'll have to take a new look on the comparative values  in this part of the world.

Even the the existence of blasphemy laws seems to me like a reason to avoid a state. More lenience towards corruption is the icing on the cake, though.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Rucksackfranzose

[nudge]

23 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

Thought Indonesia were one of the more open minded societies in that area. Guess I was wrong, either that or I 'll have to take a new look on the comparative values  in this part of the world.

Even the the existence of blasphemy laws seems to me like a reason to avoid a state. More lenience towards corruption is the icing on the cake, though.

You're not really wrong, they were indeed seen as one of the most secular and liberal societies in the region. After Suharto's autocratic rule was over in the late 90s, the country underwent a period of reformations and a largely successful transition to a functioning democracy with free and fair elections, more political and civil liberties, proliferation of independent media, decentralisation, and a largely tolerant, religiously-moderate society. All of that made it a leading (even if flawed) democracy in the region and Muslim world. Well, except Aceh, which is ruled under Sharia law, but that was an exception. However, the process started stagnating at some point, and now it appears it has been in decline for several years, with hardliner religious groups gaining more influence, and government utilising that to cement their own power. So in other words, another failure to separate religion and state. 

[OrangeKhrush]

pretty good vlog covering how western government is standing up for Chinese protesters, yet used draconian techniques to suppress local protests.   they use of political power to villainize your own people to in turn legitimize your their own authoritarian rules.

[MUFC]

WTF

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63920920

[nudge]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11516989/Canadian-man-doctors-approval-euthanasia-despite-admitting-POVERTY-main-factor.html

I know the source is dodgy, but nevertheless, this is so fucked up... And it seems it's not just this one case.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/11/canada-cases-right-to-die-laws

https://globalnews.ca/news/9176485/poverty-canadians-disabilities-medically-assisted-death/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/woman-with-disabilities-nears-medically-assisted-death-after-futile-bid-for-affordable-housing-1.5882202

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/10/13/medical-assistance-death-maid-canada/

https://nypost.com/2022/11/08/canadian-man-assisted-suicide-being-pushed-on-me-by-hospital/

 

@Viva la FCB wtf?...

[Tommy]

12 minutes ago, nudge said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11516989/Canadian-man-doctors-approval-euthanasia-despite-admitting-POVERTY-main-factor.html

I know the source is dodgy, but nevertheless, this is so fucked up... And it seems it's not just this one case.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/11/canada-cases-right-to-die-laws

https://globalnews.ca/news/9176485/poverty-canadians-disabilities-medically-assisted-death/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/woman-with-disabilities-nears-medically-assisted-death-after-futile-bid-for-affordable-housing-1.5882202

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/10/13/medical-assistance-death-maid-canada/

https://nypost.com/2022/11/08/canadian-man-assisted-suicide-being-pushed-on-me-by-hospital/

 

@Viva la FCB wtf?...

That is beyond fucked up. 

[nudge]

2 minutes ago, Tommy said:

That is beyond fucked up. 

Yeah... I'm all for euthanasia/assisted suicide for terminally ill people who suffer, but this looks more like putting down desperate people who can't afford living.

[Tommy]

Just now, nudge said:

Yeah... I'm all for euthanasia/assisted suicide for terminally ill people who suffer, but this looks more like putting down desperate people who can't afford living.

It's really difficult to fathom. How is that even legal? Perfectly healthy people. Just what the fuck. 

[Viva la FCB+]

I've not seen this topic come up before, but then again I honestly follow the US News closer then here. That's absolutely mental.

[Tommy]

10 hours ago, Viva la FCB said:

I honestly follow the US News closer then here. 

Just curious. How come?

[Stan]

Some ground-breaking good news  

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63859184

 

Quote

 

A teenage girl's incurable cancer has been cleared from her body in the first use of a revolutionary new type of medicine.

All other treatments for Alyssa's leukaemia had failed.

So doctors at Great Ormond Street Hospital used "base editing" to perform a feat of biological engineering to build her a new living drug.

Six months later the cancer is undetectable, but Alyssa is still being monitored in case it comes back.

Alyssa, who is 13 and from Leicester, was diagnosed with T-cell acute lymphoblastic leukaemia in May last year.

T-cells are supposed to be the body's guardians - seeking out and destroying threats - but for Alyssa they had become the danger and were growing out of control.

Her cancer was aggressive. Chemotherapy, and then a bone-marrow transplant, were unable to rid it from her body.

Without the experimental medicine, the only option left would have been merely to make Alyssa as comfortable as possible.

"Eventually I would have passed away," said Alyssa. Her mum, Kiona, said this time last year she had been dreading Christmas, "thinking this is our last with her". And then she "just cried" through her daughter's 13th birthday in January.

The team at Great Ormond Street used a technology called base editing, which was invented only six years ago.

Bases are the language of life. The four types of base - adenine (A), cytosine (C), guanine (G) and thymine (T) - are the building blocks of our genetic code. Just as letters in the alphabet spell out words that carry meaning, the billions of bases in our DNA spell out the instruction manual for our body.

Base editing allows scientists to zoom to a precise part of the genetic code and then alter the molecular structure of just one base, converting it into another and changing the genetic instructions.

The large team of doctors and scientists used this tool to engineer a new type of T-cell that was capable of hunting down and killing Alyssa's cancerous T-cells.

They started with healthy T-cells that came from a donor and set about modifying them.

• The first base edit disabled the T-cells targeting mechanism so they would not assault Alyssa's body
• The second removed a chemical marking, called CD7, which is on all T-cells
• The third edit was an invisibility cloak that prevented the cells being killed by a chemotherapy drug

The final stage of genetic modification instructed the T-cells to go hunting for anything with the CD7 marking on it so that it would destroy every T-cell in her body - including the cancerous ones. That's why this marking has to be removed from the therapy - otherwise it would just destroy itself.

If the therapy works, Alyssa's immune system - including T-cells - will be rebuilt with the second bone-marrow transplant.

 

[Viva la FCB+]

6 hours ago, Tommy said:

Just curious. How come?

Our news is all owned by basically one corporation outside of one network and their doing their best to get rid of that one. Idk entirely though maybe just because it's a bit depressing? The US is too but the politics is a like a car accident and it's more entertaining because all I can do is watch. Although it's trickling down here in the last few years.

[Tommy]

Grim news from Birmingham.

 

 

[nudge]

3 hours ago, Tommy said:

Grim news from Birmingham.

 

 

Three of the kids have passed away  

[Tommy]

Serbia sending troops towards Kosovo? 

 

 

[Stan]

Shiittt

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63996982

Glad not many people were injured, given the amount of glass and explosion of water it could have been much more serious.