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[OrangeKhrush]

20 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Culpability should be pretty easy to find, I imagine their liability waivers aren’t legitimate considering there’s plenty of evidence OceanGate was negligent. Seems like a civil matter, so survivors of the victims should sue OceanGate.

But the main guy responsible escaped liability by dying. And tbh I think everyone who died is pretty culpable for their own deaths for trusting a guy who said “safety just slows down innovation” and his makeshift vessel.

The new information out recently brings to light how Stockton Rush bypassed legislation pertaining to civilian transportation.    The sub was never certified and it was passed off as an exploratory and experimental vessel and the passengers were titled as mission specialists.    The laws on scientific vs civilian vessels differ.   That being said there is investigations ongoing about how it was deliberately bypassing regulatory standards under false pretenses.

Stockton Rush did seem like a ego maniac from what people in the industry who worked with him or on advisory boards had mentioned that he had no regard for regulatory standards or anyone telling him how to do things.    The hubris in his video is not that different to White Star line dubbing the titanic unsinkable and yet both over a century apart share the same resting ground. 

[OrangeKhrush]

2 hours ago, Spike said:

https://nypost.com/2023/06/21/oceangate-ceo-stockton-rush-once-complained-of-industrys-obscenely-safe-regulations/amp/
 

he literally admitted to avoiding regulations, international industry literally criticised his practice of using loopholes and not following regulation and safety standards.

The issue now comes down to a civil rights case,  the victims families will probably pursue legal action against oceangate,  if not the state itself.   It is the only submersible that has ever imploded in nearly a century of submersible dives,  the first was in the early 1930's.  This disaster needs to be learned from and standards need to be enforced to ensure maverick approaches and blatant disregard for safety is not a precedent set by oceangate. 

[Spike]

1 hour ago, OrangeKhrush said:

The issue now comes down to a civil rights case,  the victims families will probably pursue legal action against oceangate,  if not the state itself.   It is the only submersible that has ever imploded in nearly a century of submersible dives,  the first was in the early 1930's.  This disaster needs to be learned from and standards need to be enforced to ensure maverick approaches and blatant disregard for safety is not a precedent set by oceangate. 

Standards and regulations are enforced mate, did you not read the story? He just ignored them! 

[Stan]

On 08/07/2023 at 17:57, OrangeKhrush said:

2) non are by engineers or attorneys

Are the Youtubers you watch either of these?

[OrangeKhrush]

1 hour ago, Stan said:

Are the Youtubers you watch either of these?

yes

[Dr. Gonzo]

On 08/07/2023 at 09:57, OrangeKhrush said:

1) they are older articles

2) non are by engineers or attorneys

3) new information since then has come to light ie: the sub failed it's certification and did not have the paperwork necessary.

what people are struggling to get is that the vessel was built in America, it needed to pass regulatory standards in engineering in order to pass safety requirements.  jurisdiction on international waters is not absolute either, jurisdiction always resorts back to the country the vessel was registered on eg: if a ship registered as American strikes a reef and leaks oil, America has jurisdiction  in legal action against the shipping company.   if a murder is committed on same example, then America has jurisdiction to prosecute even if it was over international waters.   if the ship was in territorial waters of another country then there is dual jurisdiction.

news in yesterday is that Canada are looking into possible legal action for regulatory violations.

There was no secret this didn't pass any regulatory standards. The window on the front of the sub was only pressure rated for a third of the depth the Titan was going (and where it had gone before). NASA and Boeing assisted with the creation of the hull but refused to sign off on it being safe because there were serious questions.

Canada have said they are looking into possible legal action, but so far in their investigation it appears that they haven't broken any laws. The guy knew he was skirting safety regulations, he deliberately maneuvered into legal grey areas. Again, it is not a secret about any of this. He did it very openly.

Like both of us have said - the legal ramifications for OceanGate are likely to come from the families of the victims making a claim that the waivers aren't valid and that OceanGate was grossly negligent, and blatantly so (as is well documented). Wrongful death verdicts would give some chance of seeing some culpability for the families of the victims. A verdict in favor of one of the two billionaire families with victims onboard is likely to force OceanGate completely out of business - and... it honestly already is with how much bad press they've received and their CEO imploding in the middle of the Atlantic.

4 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

yes

An attorney using social media to make content other than advertising content (and even that can be questionable)... is probably not a great attorney.

And again, what they were doing was really well documented. They are famous for not getting proper certifications shrugging their shoulders and carrying on with what they were doing. They used the previous successful missions to point at the safety regulations and laugh.

[OrangeKhrush]

On 10/07/2023 at 19:07, Dr. Gonzo said:

There was no secret this didn't pass any regulatory standards. The window on the front of the sub was only pressure rated for a third of the depth the Titan was going (and where it had gone before). NASA and Boeing assisted with the creation of the hull but refused to sign off on it being safe because there were serious questions.

Canada have said they are looking into possible legal action, but so far in their investigation it appears that they haven't broken any laws. The guy knew he was skirting safety regulations, he deliberately maneuvered into legal grey areas. Again, it is not a secret about any of this. He did it very openly.

Like both of us have said - the legal ramifications for OceanGate are likely to come from the families of the victims making a claim that the waivers aren't valid and that OceanGate was grossly negligent, and blatantly so (as is well documented). Wrongful death verdicts would give some chance of seeing some culpability for the families of the victims. A verdict in favor of one of the two billionaire families with victims onboard is likely to force OceanGate completely out of business - and... it honestly already is with how much bad press they've received and their CEO imploding in the middle of the Atlantic.

An attorney using social media to make content other than advertising content (and even that can be questionable)... is probably not a great attorney.

And again, what they were doing was really well documented. They are famous for not getting proper certifications shrugging their shoulders and carrying on with what they were doing. They used the previous successful missions to point at the safety regulations and laugh.

the question wasn't how reputable or good he is, nobody will really know that.  That said you would trust there to be a degree of accuracy while a journalist in an era of lack of accountability makes Stephan Glass look like a Nat geo writer

[Dr. Gonzo]

On 12/07/2023 at 02:48, OrangeKhrush said:

the question wasn't how reputable or good he is, nobody will really know that.  That said you would trust there to be a degree of accuracy while a journalist in an era of lack of accountability makes Stephan Glass look like a Nat geo writer

Why would I trust an attorney on youtube to be accurate? It's not exactly a career known for being made up of honest people & it's not like YouTube channels have any type of editorial/journalistic standards 

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[Tommy]

22 minutes ago, MUFC said:

 

What a bunch of neanderthals. 

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[CaaC (John)+]

1 hour ago, Tommy said:

What a bunch of neanderthals. 

Greenpeace are worse than them, when I was working way back in 2011 they invaded the building I was working in as a building manager, they hit us early morning, we managed to close the main atrium doors but they got in through other doors and the car park entrance, it was mayhem.

Cairn Energy wins Greenpeace court order

They managed to force entry to Cairn energy on the 4th floor and that was them in there all day until the police managed to clear them out, a few of them were dressed up as Polar Bears 

 

I was filmed on the ITV/BBC news that night with my mate stopping them from entering the main atrium doors but as I said they got in via other doors and the car park, there must have been around 100 of them and it was well planned in advance and organised.

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[Beelzebub]

Coup successful in Niger. I lost the count of my attempted coups around the world since Biden took office but it was around 16 I think and now we've had in Niger, twice in some African country and the Wagner revolt which makes it around 19. 

[OrangeKhrush]

i clicked a Twitter link and a big x appeared, in my bewilderment as I was on the business network I was fearing I have been jebaited into so e-thots porno page, only to find out after reading that Twitter now uses an x.    

Not really sure why but I suppose people got tired being called twittards.

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https://www.k24tv.co.ke/entertainment/man-transforms-into-dog-111116/

 

 

[Beelzebub]

Justice for @MUFC

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1 hour ago, Beelzebub said:

Justice for @MUFC

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[OrangeKhrush]

Ariana Grande is back to taking men away from spouses, this is the 4th count of Ariana Butera breaking up or divorcing people and I think she enjoys it.    She needs help, she takes pride in being a homewrecker.

one of her songs has a chorus, break up with your girlfriend because I'm bored. Nobody expected it to be literal.

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https://metro.co.uk/2023/08/06/which-wilkos-stores-have-already-closed-as-they-file-for-administration-19285718/

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-66503514