Dr. Gonzo 8,193 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Lol @ Carlson is a long time Libertarian so he’s not right wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 298 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Stan said: So you think everyone is now out to get Brand because he didn't like the way he was treated by a media organisation? 'Rape is not tolerated in western society'. Sorry, but rape should not be tolerated in any society! That doesn't need any trial determination. Did the women lie about Mendy, or could it just not be proved that rape occurred? There's a world of difference between the two. in western society the presumption of innocence stands, allegations are not capable of condemnation and the state bears the onus of proof beyond reasonable doubt. In the case there is no evidence and the person is aquited, there is no crime. The western standard of Audi alteram partem allows the right to fair trial and not mob justice, which is often based on political motives. Russell Brand like many others have rubbed up mainstream media the wrong way. I will wait on the state to bring charges and they will likely have to put these woman in the box which is when things go south. when i graduated I worked one year as a civil court public defender, I have seen innocent people acquired and I have been forced to defend people that are guilty but due to the professional oath I can't incriminate my own client, however if the state has strong evidence it is fun to watch a person plead not guilty only to get hit by hammer blows, then instruct me to put them in the box so they can hang themself. The point being the allegations are only as strong as what the state can prove and while it sounds bad, it is very hard to prove a case where the only parties are the plaintiff and accused. it seems like you have an issue understanding due process, I just hope one day a woman doesn't accuse you of rape and the world shows the same malevolence towards you if you are possibly innocent and you get the right to defend it without condemnation. let's just wait until at least charges are made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,394 Posted September 20, 2023 Administrator Share Posted September 20, 2023 2 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said: in western society the presumption of innocence stands, allegations are not capable of condemnation and the state bears the onus of proof beyond reasonable doubt. In the case there is no evidence and the person is aquited, there is no crime. The western standard of Audi alteram partem allows the right to fair trial and not mob justice, which is often based on political motives. Russell Brand like many others have rubbed up mainstream media the wrong way. I will wait on the state to bring charges and they will likely have to put these woman in the box which is when things go south. when i graduated I worked one year as a civil court public defender, I have seen innocent people acquired and I have been forced to defend people that are guilty but due to the professional oath I can't incriminate my own client, however if the state has strong evidence it is fun to watch a person plead not guilty only to get hit by hammer blows, then instruct me to put them in the box so they can hang themself. The point being the allegations are only as strong as what the state can prove and while it sounds bad, it is very hard to prove a case where the only parties are the plaintiff and accused. it seems like you have an issue understanding due process, I just hope one day a woman doesn't accuse you of rape and the world shows the same malevolence towards you if you are possibly innocent and you get the right to defend it without condemnation. let's just wait until at least charges are made. It's funny you mention issues about understanding things because as far as I can see you went straight to the defence of Brand and seemed to want to totally dismiss what these women are saying. And therefore it becomes totally ironic that you mention 'audi alteram partem' as you don't actually want to seem to process or listen to what the women are saying, hiding behind judicial process instead of giving them any kind of benefit of the doubt that they may be telling the truth. I understand about being acquitted, but sometimes not about there being no evidence, it could be that the evidence isn't strong enough to prosecute. I just get the impression from you that you come to the defence of him because he has similar views on media, specifically 'western media' that you don't like. I understand Brand will have the right to defending the allegations. I haven't questioned otherwise. It does seem wildly suspicious to me the timeline of events. Apparently he knew about these allegations in 2017. But did enough to quieten them down. Then he turns into this anti-media persona and his character takes him into a conspiracy theorist. Now all of a sudden it's a witch-hunt against him because of those pesky media bodies and journalists. Cry me a fucking a river. What a slap in the face for those women who potentially suffered. Oh they're only going for Brand because the media don't like him or vice versa, nothing to do with the fact he could be a domestic abuser and/or rapist. Give over. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,207 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 What is funny is that this “the media are out to get him” approach completely ignores the fact that near enough the entire professional comedy industry in the UK have stories about him, people who are not well known, have no profile and have no reason to “clip his wings for flying too close to the sun”. It is not a masterminded hoax, it is a collection of peoples lived experiences being made public. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil 1,179 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Very uncomfortable viewing that documentry. Only got through 30 minutes and had to turn it at the 16 year old blow job stuff. Some fucked up laws in the UK, 16 year old girls aren't allowed to buy cigarettes and alcohol but they are allowed to have sex legally. I know the majority of young girls will make their first steps into adult life around that age but I'd like to think they are making those silly mistakes with boys or girls who are also in a similar situation. No 30 year old sex addict should be controlling and dominating what is a young child in such a way. The other allegations would need to be proven, they are all horrific and if he's guilty he should rightly arrested and locked up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,193 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Stan said: Now all of a sudden it's a witch-hunt against him because of those pesky media bodies and journalists. Like clockwork though, so easy to predict what he and his fans would say. Just like Andrew Tate tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,622 Posted September 20, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 20, 2023 39 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Like clockwork though, so easy to predict what he and his fans would say. Just like Andrew Tate tbh. Yea, I find it really bewildering how some obviously dodgy people can gain such a cult following of people who'd believe anything they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,310 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 Both things can be true. He could be a serial abuser and people within the news media might be exposing that because they don't like what he's been saying. Maybe their motivation doesn't make a difference but there must be a reason as to why they decided to go after him right now. Him being an abuser seemed to be fine with them when he was doing the abusing. Especially as there seems to be an "of course everyone knew he was like this" element to this story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC 1,504 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 What a fucking nasty bitch!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil 1,179 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MUFC said: What a fucking nasty bitch!!! WTF! Why has she ignored that girl???? Surely it's because she didn't earn the medal. Edited September 24, 2023 by Devil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,622 Posted September 24, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2023 35 minutes ago, Devil said: WTF! Why has she ignored that girl???? Surely it's because she didn't earn the medal. No, she earned the medal. The officials said that that woman made a mistake by accident.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil 1,179 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tommy said: No, she earned the medal. The officials said that that woman made a mistake by accident.... Disgusting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC 1,504 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 WTF!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,193 Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 9 hours ago, MUFC said: WTF!!! The BBC article on this is pretty disturbing tbh. Tortured at least 12 dogs to death, out of the 42 dogs he abused in the last year and a half before he was arrested - 39 died, filmed himself doing it and uploaded the videos to the internet. He also liked child porn. Sick bastard, most people who abuse animals are irreparably fucked in the head tbh. Hope he goes to prison for the rest of his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bluebird Hewitt 1,282 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Tommy said: Being ignorant, what the hell is the morality police? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,394 Posted October 4, 2023 Administrator Share Posted October 4, 2023 38 minutes ago, Bluebird Hewitt said: Being ignorant, what the hell is the morality police? There's now an article on BBC about it. Apparently police targeted her on a train for not wearing a hijab, and are alleged to have severely assaulted/beaten her up to the point she was unconscious and is now in hospital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,622 Posted October 4, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 4, 2023 55 minutes ago, Bluebird Hewitt said: Being ignorant, what the hell is the morality police? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guidance_Patrol#:~:text=The Guidance Patrol enforce Sharia,reports to the Supreme Leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt 1,282 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Stan said: There's now an article on BBC about it. Apparently police targeted her on a train for not wearing a hijab, and are alleged to have severely assaulted/beaten her up to the point she was unconscious and is now in hospital. 1 hour ago, Tommy said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guidance_Patrol#:~:text=The Guidance Patrol enforce Sharia,reports to the Supreme Leader. So basically it looks like they pick on women for not wearing a hijab (seems to be the most common one) and general Islamic dress codes. Absolutely ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,193 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 23 hours ago, Bluebird Hewitt said: Being ignorant, what the hell is the morality police? Pathetic little shits enforcing the stupidest rules of a brutal and backward dictatorship that belongs in the dustbin of history. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt 1,282 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Pathetic little shits enforcing the stupidest rules of a brutal and backward dictatorship that belongs in the dustbin of history. I was tempted to say something similar on all honesty, especially the backwards part. Ridiculous that money is literally spent on a 'morality police force' when there are so many other things that could be used for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,193 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Bluebird Hewitt said: I was tempted to say something similar on all honesty, especially the backwards part. Ridiculous that money is literally spent on a 'morality police force' when there are so many other things that could be used for. Having family in Iran makes it all the more frustrating. There’s a lot of problems in Iran that need addressing. They don’t address any of those problems. They think its more important to brutalise their people & have stupid proxy wars (that they can’t win because the West is against them, so it’s literally just a pointless waste) with Israel & the Saudis. Awful government. If there’s any justice in the world the youth of Iran will rise up and start hanging mullahs in the streets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC 1,504 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Phillip Schofield arrested. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67027015 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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