Honey Honey 3,767 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Harry said: Do you think there will be a revolt in the gate receipts after this offseason and all its negativity? All depends what they do in the transfer market. If that's anything like the managerial appointment then I think attendances will be down 10-20k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger 1,831 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Sounds like Bruce is going to happen, takeover dead then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 What a shame. My first £100 bet this season is Newcastle finishing rock bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger 1,831 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 It does smack of the Steve McLaren year when they ended up down. Some poor sides around and they may still have enough of the discipline Benitez coached into them to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris 2,606 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Imagine getting rid of Rafa Benitez then trying to bring in Big Sam? You've got to feel for Newcastle fans as they could do much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,187 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 35 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: What a shame. My first £100 bet this season is Newcastle finishing rock bottom. That's what I think is likely too. Unambitious side that was punching above it's weight because of the manager that the side didn't back because it's unambitious, appointing someone who I can't even remember when the last time they were managing in the top flight was... but I do remember his last job in the prem being a dismal failure. So they'll be getting a manager who's best days as a manager are well behind him, most likely, at an unambitious side that's already weaker than it was at the end of the season as they lost Ayoze Perez (and Rondon too, right? Did he ever actually sign with them or was he just on loan?) - it's a recipe for a dismal season from Newcastle. And I think going from a famously strict tactician with someone who's said "I don't do tactics" isn't going to bode well for a side that's relied on tactics to punch above it's weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: That's what I think is likely too. Unambitious side that was punching above it's weight because of the manager that the side didn't back because it's unambitious, appointing someone who I can't even remember when the last time they were managing in the top flight was... but I do remember his last job in the prem being a dismal failure. So they'll be getting a manager who's best days as a manager are well behind him, most likely, at an unambitious side that's already weaker than it was at the end of the season as they lost Ayoze Perez (and Rondon too, right? Did he ever actually sign with them or was he just on loan?) - it's a recipe for a dismal season from Newcastle. And I think going from a famously strict tactician with someone who's said "I don't do tactics" isn't going to bode well for a side that's relied on tactics to punch above it's weight. Rondon was on loan yeah, looking like he is going to China to play for Rafa's side. We are nailed on to have Andy Carroll upfront next season. I'm tired of football now, not sure what I'll do. One of 20k fans on a direct debit that started coming out in March this year for this upcoming season, apparently we can't get it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,187 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Harvsky said: Rondon was on loan yeah, looking like he is going to China to play for Rafa's side. We are nailed on to have Andy Carroll upfront next season. I'm tired of football now, not sure what I'll do. Maybe Andy Carroll will give more of a fuck about football again once he's back home? Dunno how likely that is, especially with his injury history - certainly doesn't seem like the most likely way to beat the drop. Yeah I feel for you mate, Mike Ashley has been a cancer on your club for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 They're literally taking the piss out of the club and its fans. I can say this without reproach because I'm not a Newcastle Utd fan whereas when I say this about Arsenal (respecting present statuses) I get slaughtered in some sectors. But I know my football, I respect and primarilly give priority to the local community above all else and then its long serving fans from wherever... This chap (Ashley) is making a mockery of 127 years of history and its significance to the demographic living within it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Longstaff will be sold to Man Utd next week as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Sky saying Bruce was the 6th manager we approached Turned down by Gerrard, Arteta, Vieira, Martinez and Allardyce. Imagine scraping that barrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,187 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Harvsky said: Sky saying Bruce was the 6th manager we approached Turned down by Gerrard, Arteta, Vieira, Martinez and Allardyce. Imagine scraping that barrel I like that they approached Martinez "fancy leaving the Belgium national team and it's great players (and relatively low expectations given how good the squad is), in order to join us and not get any funding to improve the squad?" "Err... no?" Approaching Gerrard, Arteta, and Vieira seems weird too. One just started managing last season and is probably at a better spot to grow into a good manager than he'd be if he joined what is probably the least ambitious team in the league. The other two don't have management experience, do they? I know Arteta's Pep's assistant... but his experience coaching a squad of world class players and working under the most influential manager of our time isn't really going to be the best preparation for the long slog ahead that this next season is likely to be. I'm not sure what management experience Vieira has, wasn't he a coach at City as well? So pretty similar experience, that's not really congruous with what I think Newcastle should be expecting this season. It's not really in any of their best interests this early into their management/coaching careers. And then there's Fat Sam, who's probably the most qualified for the job as it stands today. Relegation avoidance specialist really, but he had an awful time with Newcastle once and is largely hated by the fans. So it'd be a massive pisstake from Ashley. I think most Newcastle fans are keenly aware they were punching above their weight in the last two seasons with Rafa. But are Mike Ashley and the other "decision makers" at Newcastle aware? Gotta be shit though thinking you're about to be swimming in oil money... only to end up still skint as fuck due to your dumb cunt owner and with Steve Bruce as your manager to start the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: I like that they approached Martinez "fancy leaving the Belgium national team and it's great players (and relatively low expectations given how good the squad is), in order to join us and not get any funding to improve the squad?" "Err... no?" Approaching Gerrard, Arteta, and Vieira seems weird too. One just started managing last season and is probably at a better spot to grow into a good manager than he'd be if he joined what is probably the least ambitious team in the league. The other two don't have management experience, do they? I know Arteta's Pep's assistant... but his experience coaching a squad of world class players and working under the most influential manager of our time isn't really going to be the best preparation for the long slog ahead that this next season is likely to be. I'm not sure what management experience Vieira has, wasn't he a coach at City as well? So pretty similar experience, that's not really congruous with what I think Newcastle should be expecting this season. It's not really in any of their best interests this early into their management/coaching careers. And then there's Fat Sam, who's probably the most qualified for the job as it stands today. Relegation avoidance specialist really, but he had an awful time with Newcastle once and is largely hated by the fans. So it'd be a massive pisstake from Ashley. I think most Newcastle fans are keenly aware they were punching above their weight in the last two seasons with Rafa. But are Mike Ashley and the other "decision makers" at Newcastle aware? Gotta be shit though thinking you're about to be swimming in oil money... only to end up still skint as fuck due to your dumb cunt owner and with Steve Bruce as your manager to start the season. Vieira is at Nice I think. They wanted him before McClaren. Strange fascination with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 1,437 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Gotta be shit though thinking you're about to be swimming in oil money... only to end up still skint as fuck due to your dumb cunt owner and with Steve Bruce as your manager to start the season. Fuk. I forgot about the takeover and the level of optimism generated. When you combine that with the Rafa departure and even further lowering of ambition I struggle to recall a tougher blow for a club fan base in the years I've been following football. Ashley must really be a Sunderland fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 This is why the 50+1 rule in the Bundesliga needs to be implemented in England. Or at least some sort of supporter power on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,663 Posted July 12, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted July 12, 2019 Love how Fat Sam is the only one who's turned it down who feels the need to use his media cronies to get that information out there. "Look at me, I'm still relevant!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 1,437 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 hours ago, RandoEFC said: Love how Fat Sam is the only one who's turned it down who feels the need to use his media cronies to get that information out there. "Look at me, I'm still relevant!" My initial reaction was that he wouldn't have even been approached. He just saw the opportunity to make Newcastle and Ashley's position look even more terminal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,360 Posted July 12, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted July 12, 2019 More bull-shit from the press? Newcastle United are set to appoint Sheffield Wednesday boss Steve Bruce as manager and are hoping he will be able to join the team on their pre-season tour of China. (Telegraph) The Magpies are negotiating a compensation package of about £5m with Sheffield Wednesday for Bruce. (Times - subscription required) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Everything done but the compensation. Haggling with Sheffield Wednesday. Imagine paying £5m to buy Steve Bruce in any year outside of 1995. Fuck me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger 1,831 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Will he be outright hated by the fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,360 Posted July 12, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted July 12, 2019 37 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said: Will he be outright hated by the fans? Ex- Sunderland manager, ex-Man United player, nah, the fans will love him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,187 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Cannabis said: The target shouldn't be Bruce, whilst it's a poor appointment compared to Benitez is anyone else really going to take the Newcastle job? Much better choices have already turned it down. That said, ex-Sunderland? Not pretty. There's probably better managers in the Championship that would be okay with given a shot at a club in the prem, even with limited backing and an owner that doesn't care much for his side being ambitious so long as he's able to advertise his company in the top flight - like someone younger and less disconnected from modern football (because I think Steve Bruce lost his touch in football management a while ago). It's already a very uninspiring appointment... and then you take into account that he's ex-Sunderland and it's not got the makings of an appointment that's going to go smoothly. He'll basically need to get some good results early (which I don't think is likely, because I think there's a lot of negativity and toxicity, all for good reason mind you, in the atmosphere at Newcastle & it's been a while since Steve Bruce looked a decent manager) in order to get fans on his side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 19 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said: Will he be outright hated by the fans? There's not much of a hate vibe at the moment but he'll have to be careful what words come out of his mouth. I reckon there's a good chance he'll either piss people off or be another John Carver chatter of shite. On day 1 he is bound to try and make out that he's one of the fans. He loves playing the Geordie card when it suits. Those first interviews are going to be big for setting the tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 After all the shit Steve Bruce got at Aston Villa I'm surprised hes going to a job where hes going to be hated so quickly. I know managing your boyhood club is a dream come true, but surely being booed by your boyhood club is a nightmare? It smacks of naivety and arrogance to be honest. Lee Johnson would have been my choice from The Championship. Hes used to working under restrictions and is very open to how technological advances and developments in sports science can be develop his sides. I dont think he would turn down a chance at a massive club, and most importantly the fans may have some form of patience initially as he adapts to a new league. I'm not as convinced as others that this will immediately spell relegation for Newcastle. Aston Villa could tank like Fulham, Sheffield United and Norwich lack experience, Burnley dont seem to be investing heavily, Brighton have been heading in one direction and Palace could be losing more key players. That said, I'd be amazed if they're not in the relegation battle next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 1,437 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Cannabis said: I don't think that Newcastle are nailed on down but they are nailed on for a relegation fight. It's just the same old story of there being that much shite from around 14th downwards that anyone could go. They'd be exceeding expectations though by staying up given the toxicity present and that you'd expect there'll be some level of fan revolt all season long that will sustain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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