George Floyd Death - Derek Chauvin Guilty of Murder

[Harry]

1 hour ago, ASF said:

Can't believe the world has become this stupid.

Honestly I think these protests will have a major impact on uptake of people appropriately observing the isolation measures to reduce the spread of COVID.

Even though masks were aplenty, it's just a flagrant and highly visible violation that I think people won't take measures seriously anymore.

[6666]

10 hours ago, Harry said:

They are policing in a country that believes all of those people being arrested should be allowed to own (and may own and be carrying) many dangerous weapons.

That doesn't make sense as a reason to have 3/4 people on someone's back when making an arrest. You already have them down. That also doesn't make sense as a reason for the rushed way they deal with incidents. It seems as if they have a time limit to get things done as quickly as possible. As for the way they're dealing with protesters, there seems to be an effort to make people regret protesting rather than a case of trying to keep things under control. You have these idiots openly battering protesters.

[Dr. Gonzo]

On 07/06/2020 at 07:58, Azeem said:

Never knew America has so many public militias, so many of them roaming during these protests, that's more than gun control issues 

When you say public militias do you mean the groups of right wing weirdos with assault rifles that like to cosplay as soldiers?

Not sure I’d call those militias tbh.

[6666]

The fuck...?

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

3 hours ago, 6666 said:

That doesn't make sense as a reason to have 3/4 people on someone's back when making an arrest. You already have them down. That also doesn't make sense as a reason for the rushed way they deal with incidents. It seems as if they have a time limit to get things done as quickly as possible. As for the way they're dealing with protesters, there seems to be an effort to make people regret protesting rather than a case of trying to keep things under control. You have these idiots openly battering protesters.

Yeah, the number of times cops have killed people that are being forcibly restrained in the US is way too high to be saying “it’s because they think everyone had a gun.”

Also if that’s such an issue, maybe write some fucking gun control laws America?

[Dr. Gonzo]

Just now, 6666 said:

The fuck...?

 

The Minneapolis police department have taken that “just a few bad apples” argument and said “nah, it’s all of us.”

Although it probably is important to note the full quote about bad apples is... a few bad apples spoils the bunch. 

[Stan]

3 minutes ago, 6666 said:

The fuck...?

 

Nah, this is more 'wtf' 

 

[Cicero]

What is the actual process of hiring potential police candidates?

Is there a thorough background check? Mental/psychological evaluation? Too little training or ineffective training program? Or is the amount of leniency and toleration they are given by their employer force them to behave this way? 

Also, why are all police, well the ones I've encountered anyway, just angry individuals? And who thought it would be a good idea to give an angry man a gun? 

[Azeem]

8 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

When you say public militias do you mean the groups of right wing weirdos with assault rifles that like to cosplay as soldiers?

Not sure I’d call those militias tbh.

What are their numbers ? If they are in sizeable number then they are militias in my opinion

[Mpache]

To be fair, @Azeem might be right about the militias and given he's from Pakistan who have a history with rebel groups, I think his opinion is valuable on this matter.

[Dr. Gonzo]

9 minutes ago, Azeem said:

What are their numbers ? If they are in sizeable number then they are militias in my opinion

No clue tbh

 

2 minutes ago, Inti Brian said:

To be fair, @Azeem might be right about the militias and given he's from Pakistan who have a history with rebel groups, I think his opinion is valuable on this matter.

They’re not really rebel groups though. They’re people cosplaying as soldiers, basically “counter-protestors” that are there primarily to intimidate those marching and saying BLM. They’re not raising their weapons against the protestors, they’re standing by the edges to intimidate protestors... but ultimately will leave when police give them the heads up that violence is about to be escalated.

I wouldn’t call them a militia, they’re basically white supremacists protesting the protestors and instead of carrying signs they carry guns.

[Harry]

Probably still not even close to as fucked up as the below though.

Relating to the 75 year old man that cracked his head open after being pushed backwards by police...

 

[Stan]

41 minutes ago, Stan said:

Nah, this is more 'wtf' 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Harry said:

Probably still not even close to as fucked up as the below though.

Relating to the 75 year old man that cracked his head open after being pushed backwards by police...

 

disgusting plagiarism here

[Azeem]

52 minutes ago, Cicero said:

What is the actual process of hiring potential police candidates?

Is there a thorough background check? Mental/psychological evaluation? Too little training or ineffective training program? Or is the amount of leniency and toleration they are given by their employer force them to behave this way? 

Also, why are all police, well the ones I've encountered anyway, just angry individuals? And who thought it would be a good idea to give an angry man a gun? 

Isn't most of police in America ex Army & Marine left overs ? at least the street officers i guess they treat the public like they were treated in the military.

This is a problem in policing around the world. No one young and educated wants to join the police, there is basically no attraction in it, i don't know about how much police is paid in America but here and around the world it's mostly an underpaid hard job at least from the junior levels

[Cicero]

Just now, Azeem said:

Isn't most of police in America ex Army & Marine left overs ? at least the street officers i guess they treat the public like they were treated in the military.

This is a problem in policing around the world. No one young and educated wants to join the police, there is basically no attraction in it, i don't know about how much police is paid in America but here and around the world it's mostly an underpaid hard job at least from the junior levels

This is a problem in itself. 

When you have army members stating they can't wait to kill some terrorists, it doesn't bold well when you ask that same trigger happy individual to protect city streets. 

[Azeem]

@Dr. Gonzo

Let's say Trump losses the election but stands up and says the election was rigged by 7M illegal voters & he encourages the use of guns to keep him in the office, then what are the chances these right wingers with rifles that are probably heavy in some states, will back him up ? 

[Dr. Gonzo]

3 hours ago, Azeem said:

Isn't most of police in America ex Army & Marine left overs ? at least the street officers i guess they treat the public like they were treated in the military.

This is a problem in policing around the world. No one young and educated wants to join the police, there is basically no attraction in it, i don't know about how much police is paid in America but here and around the world it's mostly an underpaid hard job at least from the junior levels

I think it's like 20% of the US policeforce that's ex military. That's a lot of people who are policing the streets that are probably treating it the same they treated occupying Baghdad. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with reintegrating ex-military into civilian life as policemen... but I do think there needs to be a huge amount of training and guidance police get that reinforces that they are NOT an occupying military force. I think a big part of American police is there are so many people who are used to being an occupying force and at the same time, American cops are heavily militarised. It leads to a situation where the likelihood of police escalating conflict may be the more natural reaction from the police, because they're funded and supplied to be able to respond with heavy force and they've got a large chunk of people that, if they've served in the last 19 years, were probably occupying either Iraq or Afghanistan.

 

3 hours ago, Azeem said:

@Dr. Gonzo

Let's say Trump losses the election but stands up and says the election was rigged by 7M illegal voters & he encourages the use of guns to keep him in the office, then what are the chances these right wingers with rifles that are probably heavy in some states, will back him up ? 

It's hard for me to answer that really. I think that's something a lot of people have been worried about - that Trump will not respect election results and claim the election is rigged and refuse to engage in a peaceful transition of power. It wouldn't be surprising at this point, tbh, he's demonstrated he's a lawless president and that his party will stand behind his flagrant abuse of the law.

If we're assuming his unwaivering base, roughly 1/3 of the US population (it seems like) is such die hard believers in the Trump ideology that they'll take arms and begin the second American civil war... then I'd say the likelihood is pretty high. But I'm not sure we can assume that all of his base will grab rifles and back him up - a large chunk of that group of people likely don't have guns tbh. I also think others are less likely to risk their lives for a political conflict. But I do suspect that some of the more radical elements of his base, which quite frankly... do make up a significant portion of his base, may try to do something.

I think there's a bigger question as to what the secret service, US Marshalls, and the military might do if he tried something like that. Never in my life would I have imagined a military coup in the US... but as of last year, and especially this year, it doesn't seem so far-fetched. But it could happen if the military top brass decides their oath to the US doesn't include loyalty to the man who is claiming to still be president after he lost. But again, who knows if they'll come to that conclusion.

I hope he doesn't do that if he loses, because the US is a politically unstable tinderbox right now... and it really does not need more instability. But I feel like if he loses, he will do everything he can to utterly fuck the country up for the man who takes over.

[Carnivore Chris]

 

Australian news reporter and cameraman having their camera taken off them.

 

 

[Carnivore Chris]

 

From 2016, but look at the last clip. Remind you of anything? Powerful video either way.

Is there anything that makes your blood boil more than police abusing their authority?

 

2pac's music was also perfect for the video because if we are being honest, that man had a voice that could have probably reached out to even more people than the likes of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr and was more than just a musician and talented actor. Whenever a black man in the USA has such a voice though, they are assassinated. 

 

[Harry]

10 hours ago, Azeem said:

Isn't most of police in America ex Army & Marine left overs ? at least the street officers i guess they treat the public like they were treated in the military.

This is a problem in policing around the world. No one young and educated wants to join the police, there is basically no attraction in it, i don't know about how much police is paid in America but here and around the world it's mostly an underpaid hard job at least from the junior levels

I think a big part in the police problem is a lack of diversity... Having an agency workforce that is of a similar level of gender and racial diversity as the population they are policing would go some distance towards bridging a divide.

I don't think you can train people with particular major character defects (sadistic types who revel in violence for example) to be good cops, the best thing you can do is have a management culture that's determined to root out those individuals so that they don't set the tone for their co-workers.

[nudge]

 

 

[Harry]

The way the guy holds his phone to the second officer seems a bit odd yeah?

[Carnivore Chris]

 

[Azeem]

 

[Harry]

Trump's decided to hold his first post Covid and George Floyd campaign rally on Jun 19th, the anniversary of the abolition of slavery... in Tulsa, Oklahoma, the site of the 1921 race massacre, described as the single worst episode of racial violence in American history in which 36 African Americans were killed and hundreds seriously injured.

Of the six rallies announced this is the only one that isn't in a swing state.