American Politics Discussion

[Spike]

11 minutes ago, Coma said:

So they're pedo's?  Just want to confirm the usage of that word.

Classic. Lmao Yeah libertarians want small government so they can own guns, and be paedos, but say things like ‘liberty for all’ but that actually means ‘more liberty for me to kidnap children for my coal mine’.

[Michael]

It's interesting how Boris Johnson, the person who has always backed supporting Ukraine in their war against Russia as much as possible, is now endorsing Trump to be the US President. Trump the man who will clearly cut support for Ukraine and look for a Ukrainian peace deal with Russia, if he becomes president. Boris obviously has his own priorities.

[Stan]

31 minutes ago, Michael said:

It's interesting how Boris Johnson, the person who has always backed supporting Ukraine in their war against Russia as much as possible, is now endorsing Trump to be the US President. Trump the man who will clearly cut support for Ukraine and look for a Ukrainian peace deal with Russia, if he becomes president. Boris obviously has his own priorities.

Boris' main priority is himself. Like most of the Tory bitches. If they can remain relevant in some way, shape or form by who they cosy up to, then that's what they'll do. In fact, I wouldn't even call it priorities. When that whole mess with Dominic Cummings came about during COVID, it was alleged Cummings and other Tory ministers/MPs called Boris 'the shopping trolley' because you never knew which way he would turn. He's that much of a deviant. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 hour ago, Michael said:

It's interesting how Boris Johnson, the person who has always backed supporting Ukraine in their war against Russia as much as possible, is now endorsing Trump to be the US President. Trump the man who will clearly cut support for Ukraine and look for a Ukrainian peace deal with Russia, if he becomes president. Boris obviously has his own priorities.

BoJo doesn’t genuinely care about Ukraine, I’m pretty sure he was just giddy a war in Europe broke out so he could pretend to be Churchill for a few days.

He only cares about what’s good for him.

[Dr. Gonzo]

2 hours ago, Coma said:

So they're pedo's?  Just want to confirm the usage of that word.

 

yeah it comes up all the time. “I’m not a pedo, but I’m a libertarian and my beliefs on individual liberty mean I should be allowed to fuck kids.”

It’s a widely common view amongst the ideology. Couple that with their belief that human rights aren’t truly universal, that regulations on business (and remember, most labour regulations are written in the blood of workers who died on the job) aren’t necessary because they cut into profits… it’s really just an ideology that serves as an on-ramp towards to fascism.

So “proto-fascist, possible kiddy fiddler” is what I think when anyone tells me they’re libertarian.

[Mel81x+]

27 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

What makes people write the stupid things they do. Phew 

[Spike]

49 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

 

yeah it comes up all the time. “I’m not a pedo, but I’m a libertarian and my beliefs on individual liberty mean I should be allowed to fuck kids.”

It’s a widely common view amongst the ideology. Couple that with their belief that human rights aren’t truly universal, that regulations on business (and remember, most labour regulations are written in the blood of workers who died on the job) aren’t necessary because they cut into profits… it’s really just an ideology that serves as an on-ramp towards to fascism.

So “proto-fascist, possible kiddy fiddler” is what I think when anyone tells me they’re libertarian.

Lol who would have thought that pic would come in handy two days in a row

[OrangeKhrush]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/age-of-consent-by-country

What is ironic is that most of those kiddy fucking nations are the ones now sitting on UN panels dictating how Western countries should act.

[Rucksackfranzose]

3 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/age-of-consent-by-country

What is ironic is that most of those kiddy fucking nations are the ones now sitting on UN panels dictating how Western countries should act.

Well, according your own source the countries with the lowest age of consent are Angola and the Philippines. Please enlight us how them of all nations dictate the Western world what to do?

[OrangeKhrush]

Just now, Rucksackfranzose said:

Well, according your own source the countries with the lowest age of consent are Angola and the Philippines. Please enlight us how them of all nations dictate the Western world what to do?

6 countries on that list sit on the UN security council, yet they can't protect the security of children.  The idea of legalising consensual sex below 21 let alone 18 is indicative of the perverse society we live in.  sex trafficking is one of the biggest concerns yet pornhub turn profits off the back of gross exploitation.  Watching a documentary on Amazon about the porn industry was rather sobering, the things Lana Rhoades and the fortunate ones that were able to escape had to recollect was hard to watch.   

Call me old fashioned but I don't like the way we are going, it must be that white supremacy shit

[Rucksackfranzose]

9 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

6 countries on that list sit on the UN security council, yet they can't protect the security of children.  The idea of legalising consensual sex below 21 let alone 18 is indicative of the perverse society we live in.  sex trafficking is one of the biggest concerns yet pornhub turn profits off the back of gross exploitation.  Watching a documentary on Amazon about the porn industry was rather sobering, the things Lana Rhoades and the fortunate ones that were able to escape had to recollect was hard to watch.   

Call me old fashioned but I don't like the way we are going, it must be that white supremacy shit

Your claiming you're advocating a libertarian economy. So you agree on 14 years old working and owing weapons,. Yet you want the age of consent to be 21? Are you completely dement? If people are old and reasonable enough to endanger their fellows with fire arms than they're absolutely old and reasonable enough to have sex. By the way protecting children doesn't only mean to protect them of that what you probably think is reserved to making progeny during, of course Christian, marriage but also to protect them of being exploited by employers. May I remind you libertarian economy means economy without regulation?  Doesn't mean a 16 or 18 year old person can't have consentual sex, only because nobody with self-respect in their right mind would agree on sexual intercourse with you. Disclaimer. The last statement about you, is about your attitude and character rather than about your look , your income or a world conspiration of potential partners. No matter, what your fellow incels write or say.

[Spike]

So now we get to the concern of exploitation of labour and body in the sex industry. Fucken hell, that’s a pretty socialist thing to say.

[Cicero]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

 

yeah it comes up all the time. “I’m not a pedo, but I’m a libertarian and my beliefs on individual liberty mean I should be allowed to fuck kids.”

It’s a widely common view amongst the ideology. Couple that with their belief that human rights aren’t truly universal, that regulations on business (and remember, most labour regulations are written in the blood of workers who died on the job) aren’t necessary because they cut into profits… it’s really just an ideology that serves as an on-ramp towards to fascism.

So “proto-fascist, possible kiddy fiddler” is what I think when anyone tells me they’re libertarian.

The whole Andrew Tate and high value men fanbase screams pedo's to me too. 30-40 year old men only dating 18-20 year olds. I'm beginning to think the only reason they don't date lower is because of the law. 

"I like them young because they are pure and I can shape them into what I want them to be"

So grooming then. 

[Spike]

13 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

Your claiming you're advocating a libertarian economy. So you agree on 14 years old working and owing weapons,. Yet you want the age of consent to be 21? Are you completely dement? If people are old and reasonable enough to endanger their fellows with fire arms than they're absolutely old and reasonable enough to have sex. By the way protecting children doesn't only mean to protect them of that what you probably think is reserved to making progeny during, of course Christian, marriage but also to protect them of being exploited by employers. May I remind you libertarian economy means economy without regulation?  Doesn't mean a 16 or 18 year old person can't have consentual sex, only because nobody with self-respect in their right mind would agree on sexual intercourse with you. Disclaimer. The last statement about you, is about your attitude and character rather than about your look , your income or a world conspiration of potential partners. No matter, what your fellow incels write or say.

You should now by now that words aren’t used to disseminate objective information, they are completely subjective and used in a flexible manner that has an inherent contradiction upon deeper examination. 
 

Libertarian? I think you mean liberal freedoms gained through a regulated command economy. Naturally.

[Coma+]

I can't not look at it.

[Michael]

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

BoJo doesn’t genuinely care about Ukraine, I’m pretty sure he was just giddy a war in Europe broke out so he could pretend to be Churchill for a few days.

He only cares about what’s good for him.

Yes, that's what seems to be the case. He is another self-serving politician.

[OrangeKhrush]

19 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

Your claiming you're advocating a libertarian economy. So you agree on 14 years old working and owing weapons,. Yet you want the age of consent to be 21? Are you completely dement? If people are old and reasonable enough to endanger their fellows with fire arms than they're absolutely old and reasonable enough to have sex. By the way protecting children doesn't only mean to protect them of that what you probably think is reserved to making progeny during, of course Christian, marriage but also to protect them of being exploited by employers. May I remind you libertarian economy means economy without regulation?  Doesn't mean a 16 or 18 year old person can't have consentual sex, only because nobody with self-respect in their right mind would agree on sexual intercourse with you. Disclaimer. The last statement about you, is about your attitude and character rather than about your look , your income or a world conspiration of potential partners. No matter, what your fellow incels write or say.

Free market and sexual exploitation are not the same thing so let's not try equate them, the fact you are trying to conflate the two is distressing.

You then go on a tangent about guns, underage sex and libertarianism what the fuck am I reading.

[Tommy]

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 hour ago, OrangeKhrush said:

6 countries on that list sit on the UN security council, yet they can't protect the security of children.

One of the countries on that list with the joint lowest age of consent is China, a permanent member of the UNSC... which doesn't dictate a bloody thing to the west since all it takes is one of the western members of the UNSC to simply veto. The UN doesn't dictate anything to anybody, it's only purpose is serving as a platform of open dialogue between nations to prevent international conflict from spreading into anther world war.

18 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Free market and sexual exploitation are not the same thing so let's not try equate them, the fact you are trying to conflate the two is distressing.

But it's a common libertarian view to conflate the two though. It's only been done because so many libertarians have advocated for a lower age of consent or simply doing away with the age of consent. A core component of the ideology is protecting individual rights and removing regulations imposed on individuals and businesses.

This includes rolling back workers rights to where they are virtually non-existent. Getting rid of "pesky" health and safety regulations that get in the way of profitability. And for many libertarians, they've been quite vocal about consenting humans (note, they make the distinction between adults) being able to make decisions regarding their own bodies, including when they should have sex. If you take issue with it, don't take issue with @Rucksackfranzose highlighting the contradictions of what you've said and the ideology you're peddling - take issues with the diehard believers of this ideology being absolutely vile.

Most regulations on business exist for good reasons, most workers rights exist for good reasons, having an age of consent exists for very good reasons. Children don't belong in mines, children don't belong in sexual relations with adults. If you don't like being called out for peddling a horrible ideology, don't spread that shit around. 

[Spike]

29 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Free market and sexual exploitation are not the same thing so let's not try equate them, the fact you are trying to conflate the two is distressing.

You then go on a tangent about guns, underage sex and libertarianism what the fuck am I reading.

Free market and sex work and the exploitation of labour and body are intrinsic for fucks sake.

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 hour ago, Cicero said:

The whole Andrew Tate and high value men fanbase screams pedo's to me too. 30-40 year old men only dating 18-20 year olds. I'm beginning to think the only reason they don't date lower is because of the law. 

"I like them young because they are pure and I can shape them into what I want them to be"

So grooming then. 

Andrew Tate's view of women is essentially treat them like children (at best) and as slaves at worst. He takes vulnerable men and tries to fill them with his weirdo ideology so they can prey on vulnerable young women so their worldview can be shaped into lives of submission serving these "high value men."

I fully believe he'd be advocating for men to seek partners as young as possible if not for it being very illegal. Because like you say, the whole ideology is finding young and vulnerable women to exploit and groom into being "a woman that is with a high value man."

His idea of what a high value man is weird too. A man who can't cook a meal or clean up their own house is pretty far from a high value man. An adult who can't do either of those things is barely functional imo.

[OrangeKhrush]

1 hour ago, Spike said:

Free market and sex work and the exploitation of labour and body are intrinsic for fucks sake.

No free market and black market are not inclusive, human trafficking is not a product of capitalism, it is ilicit activity that should be treated as such rather than enabling the pre conditions for such markets.  

People that exploit kids and woman for sex markets should be treated with the harshest prejudice

[Dr. Gonzo]

15 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

No free market and black market are not inclusive, human trafficking is not a product of capitalism, it is ilicit activity that should be treated as such rather than enabling the pre conditions for such markets.  

People that exploit kids and woman for sex markets should be treated with the harshest prejudice

But that's not a very libertarian view at all. Freedom of the individual & a person's body being their own property are core components to the ideology. As such, it's an incredibly popular view amongst libertarians that prostitution (which is sex work) should be legal. They view prostitution the same as any other contract or agreement. One person agrees to pay money and in return they receive sex acts performed on them.

Furthermore, a key component of being a libertarian is believing that a truly free market destroys illegal and dangerous black markets. The reasoning for this is: a black market exists to accommodate what a legal market lacks.

Is this just an instance of you promoting an ideology that don't really fully understand? Or is this just your own personal take on what being a libertarian means - despite it not meeting core concepts that would actually make your beliefs libertarian beliefs?

[Spike]

37 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

No free market and black market are not inclusive, human trafficking is not a product of capitalism, it is ilicit activity that should be treated as such rather than enabling the pre conditions for such markets.  

People that exploit kids and woman for sex markets should be treated with the harshest prejudice

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capitalism; an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.

In free market capitalism there would be no black market. The sex INDUSTRY is a market to be capitalised  in a free market, that being; pornography, sex tourism, prostitution, pimping, brothels, which is the manufacturing of sexual content, or supply a sexual service. You want this regulated; or banned, that is not capitalism, that is not free market, and that is not libertarian.

The black market as an ideology that is glorified by libertarians as it is an example of a market free from regulatory influences and control. You don't understand your own ideology, you don't understand those you critique, you are a fool that needs to read a book and not watch youtubers

[OrangeKhrush]

On 24/01/2024 at 16:07, Spike said:

Classic. Lmao Yeah libertarians want small government so they can own guns, and be paedos, but say things like ‘liberty for all’ but that actually means ‘more liberty for me to kidnap children for my coal mine’.

Yes according to your subjective biases and stereotypes