Smiley Culture Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 47 minutes ago, Bluebird Hewitt said: I've probably missed it in here or just haven't seen it on BBC, but where did you hear about the new owner veto and the rebates for new grounds? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/10/12/exclusive-tottenham-hotspur-eligible-125m-stadium-rebate-project/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 10 hours ago, Smiley Culture said: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/10/12/exclusive-tottenham-hotspur-eligible-125m-stadium-rebate-project/amp/ Cheers for that. Makes the proposals even more of a joke really when the 'poor big club' could get a big rebate as part of this, while Macclesfield go under for a fraction of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 German football style playoffs would make a lot more logical sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted October 13, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted October 13, 2020 Playoffs fundamentally don't make sense. If one team is better than another over a 46 game season having played each other and all mutual opponents twice each, it doesn't make more sense to decide which team gets the reward of promotion on a one-off match between 3rd and 6th or whatever. You wouldn't get rid of them because of the spectacle and I don't have major beef with a playoff between 16th in the Premier League and 3rd-5th in the Championship but I'm not sure about them making sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I’d rather the play-off’s as they are now, tbh. If we really had to have a promotion/relegation play-off, I’d rather the German method of 16th vs 3rd rather than the Scottish method of 16th joining three teams from the league below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 40 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: Playoffs fundamentally don't make sense. If one team is better than another over a 46 game season having played each other and all mutual opponents twice each, it doesn't make more sense to decide which team gets the reward of promotion on a one-off match between 3rd and 6th or whatever. You wouldn't get rid of them because of the spectacle and I don't have major beef with a playoff between 16th in the Premier League and 3rd-5th in the Championship but I'm not sure about them making sense. I think if you lose the Championship Play-Off final you lose a great game and an opportunity for a team to come in and pull of a miracle. Clearly though this idea of a play off is so they can give teams they don’t want going down a better chance at staying up. Another attempt at preserving the status quo, tv money etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I'd scrap play-offs all together. Top 3 should come up, bottom three should go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted October 13, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted October 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, Danny said: I think if you lose the Championship Play-Off final you lose a great game and an opportunity for a team to come in and pull of a miracle. Clearly though this idea of a play off is so they can give teams they don’t want going down a better chance at staying up. Another attempt at preserving the status quo, tv money etc. Like I say, I wouldn't scrap them now, but I also wouldn't say we should introduce them if they didn't already exist. The league is a league competition, you should really be rewarded for performing the best over the same number of games. You've got cup competitions for those opportunities for someone to ride a bit of luck out of nowhere to glory. But I don't really feel strongly either way about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Historically, the playoffs were one of the best ideas ever introduced into the Football League and what makes the Championship in particular, so exciting. To lose them would be a massive choker for the EFL. Under no circumstances should they be scrapped or binned off IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, The Artful Dodger said: I'd scrap play-offs all together. Top 3 should come up, bottom three should go down. That's how I'd do it too, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Lucas said: Historically, the playoffs were one of the best ideas ever introduced into the Football League and what makes the Championship in particular, so exciting. To lose them would be a massive choker for the EFL. Under no circumstances should they be scrapped or binned off IMO. Absolutely this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I prefer the current playoff system to that proposed elsewhere. Its what makes The Championship the most exciting league in the world. I remember us being 14th at one point with ten games to go and still having a glimmer of hope we would get promoted. Gives fans and teams a reason to be invested all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Administrator Stan Posted October 13, 2020 Administrator Share Posted October 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Palace Fan said: Worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 43 minutes ago, The Palace Fan said: Again, only seeing the money side of things from the EFL. Let's spin this a little and say that this goes through. With 'the big six' and the other three being able to vote on 'certain things', that 25% of revenue could easily be reduced if those clubs have that say. This could start to become a dangerous path. EDIT: Forgot to add that Greg Clarke had mentioned that those putting the proposal forward were using a breakaway league 'as a threat'. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54531760 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Gold Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, Stan said: Worrying. Hardly surprising given that they'd be in line to get a lot more money than they do now. Interestingly I saw someone (might've been Henry Winter) say today that FL clubs aren't worried about the power grab because, as far as they're concerned, the top Premier League clubs already have all the power. What'll be interesting to see is how much support this gets from threatened Premier League clubs who value the guaranteed money in the lower leagues over their potential voting rights in the top flight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ Posted October 13, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted October 13, 2020 If you scrap the play-offs then you have to cut the league sizes. It would increase the number of dead rubber games no end and half of the season becomes about luck of the fixture list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ Posted October 13, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted October 13, 2020 5 hours ago, The Palace Fan said: Fuck them then if that's the case. I mean if they're too daft to not see the actual bigger picture in this then what hope have they really got in the long run anyway. If this goes through that's me done with English football to be honest other than the odd non-league. That is the final straw. It would be dead to me. Cherish the memories, fight for some sort of proper sport again one day, but there's no way I'm pouring money into this complete scam. The fact Football League clubs support it is worrying though. Well done to Leeds United, West Ham United, Crystal Palace, Brighton, West Brom, Burnley, Sheffield United and Fulham. Everton, Leicester, Aston Villa, Newcastle, Southampton and Wolves - get your fucking finger out your arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 12 hours ago, Stan said: Worrying. I know they're desperate (as Simon Jordan said, some of them would eat sand at the minute if you told them its water) but its very short sighted. Given last week we had suggestions for B teams in The Championship, I wonder how clubs in League Two would feel about being replaced by them in three or four seasons time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 8 hours ago, Dan said: Fuck them then if that's the case. I mean if they're too daft to not see the actual bigger picture in this then what hope have they really got in the long run anyway. If this goes through that's me done with English football to be honest other than the odd non-league. That is the final straw. It would be dead to me. Cherish the memories, fight for some sort of proper sport again one day, but there's no way I'm pouring money into this complete scam. The fact Football League clubs support it is worrying though. Well done to Leeds United, West Ham United, Crystal Palace, Brighton, West Brom, Burnley, Sheffield United and Fulham. Everton, Leicester, Aston Villa, Newcastle, Southampton and Wolves - get your fucking finger out your arse. They'll all vote against it. Its in none of the other 14's best interests for this to go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 11 hours ago, Bluebird Hewitt said: Forgot to add that Greg Clarke had mentioned that those putting the proposal forward were using a breakaway league 'as a threat'. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54531760 I have hit a point where I couldn't care if they did now. A new model where money gets distributed more fairly throughout the four divisons which will become more competitive without the annoyance of some of the third parties that latch on the PL model would be far more enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 The whole thing is littered with blackmail and bribery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 The £250m given to the Football League will be subtracted from their future share of Premier League TV deals. They also won’t be allowed any share of TV rights that clubs sell themselves. And these people think its still a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I wouldn't expect us to approve it given that one of the proposals is that the cartel would officially get to decide who can buy another club, as opposed to their unofficial decision this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 We've backed the plan, clearly seeing the money rather than the bigger picture. Wankers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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