LFCMadLad Posted October 20, 2022 Posted October 20, 2022 I don't know where he goes from here? Maybe needs to drop a league or two?
Spike Posted October 20, 2022 Posted October 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: I don't know where he goes from here? Maybe needs to drop a league or two? I reckon these ultra famous players are too quick to get into management. I dunno why they don’t do the Mikel Arteta route of being a coach or assistant for a few years prior to jumping into the deep end of the pool. Arrogant and entitled maybe. Even Rooney was a bit more modest, he was on a four man team running Derby when he first took over, so he wasn’t solo.
Reluctant Striker Posted October 20, 2022 Posted October 20, 2022 There was something of a bounce to begin with. But, the the whole Mings-Carlos-McGinn merry go round seemed to be Gerrard handling it all quite badly. And it has been suggested the club is not a happy place to be. It has been his choices to be getting rid of El Ghazi, Trezeguet & Traore. All natural wingers. Leaving Bailey as the 1 true winger, with the 2 number 9's he inherited & the 2 number 10's. The 2nd his initial bounce mate. And it looks, feels & results suggest it is an absolute mess. No playing identity at all. With Dean Smith, the team struggled to create & conceded lots. So things very much had been needing change. In fairness to Gerrard the conceding lots bit has reduced. To an extent. But there's a worrying lack of any playing identity. Not sure how real or fake it was but I read an article suggesting Villa were interested in Poch, who had concern about the squad not matching his style of play. Sadly I do think the squad matches mid table La Liga or Serie A better than it does the Premier League. The club's problems are nowhere near all on Gerrard, but he categorically was not looking like he had any ideas in any way about keeping Villa up, let alone getting them competitive on a regular basis.
Dr. Gonzo Posted October 20, 2022 Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, LFCMadLad said: I don't know where he goes from here? Maybe needs to drop a league or two? MLS or the Championship I suppose
Dr. Gonzo Posted October 20, 2022 Posted October 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, Reluctant Striker said: There was something of a bounce to begin with. But, the the whole Mings-Carlos-McGinn merry go round seemed to be Gerrard handling it all quite badly. And it has been suggested the club is not a happy place to be. It has been his choices to be getting rid of El Ghazi, Trezeguet & Traore. All natural wingers. Leaving Bailey as the 1 true winger, with the 2 number 9's he inherited & the 2 number 10's. The 2nd his initial bounce mate. And it looks, feels & results suggest it is an absolute mess. No playing identity at all. With Dean Smith, the team struggled to create & conceded lots. So things very much had been needing change. In fairness to Gerrard the conceding lots bit has reduced. To an extent. But there's a worrying lack of any playing identity. Not sure how real or fake it was but I read an article suggesting Villa were interested in Poch, who had concern about the squad not matching his style of play. Sadly I do think the squad matches mid table La Liga or Serie A better than it does the Premier League. The club's problems are nowhere near all on Gerrard, but he categorically was not looking like he had any ideas in any way about keeping Villa up, let alone getting them competitive on a regular basis. Is it fucked up I want to see Dyche as Villa manager so we can see what Brexit ball can do when it's got some financial muscle behind it?
Gunnersaurus Posted October 20, 2022 Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Spike said: I reckon these ultra famous players are too quick to get into management. I dunno why they don’t do the Mikel Arteta route of being a coach or assistant for a few years prior to jumping into the deep end of the pool. Arrogant and entitled maybe. Even Rooney was a bit more modest, he was on a four man team running Derby when he first took over, so he wasn’t solo. I think he coached Liverpools under 23s. Then he got the job at rangers and did well. I don't think you can really blame him for taking the opportunity
LFCMadLad Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Gunnersaurus said: I think he coached Liverpools under 23s. Then he got the job at rangers and did well. I don't think you can really blame him for taking the opportunity It wasn't the U23's as such, he had a wide range of roles involving the development of the youth players at Kirkby. But yeah you're right, he didn't just jump into management.
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ Posted October 21, 2022 Subscriber Posted October 21, 2022 I've got no sympathy for him tbh, as he won us the Scottish League Title with Rangers and stopped Celtic from getting 9 in a row which any Glasgow Rangers supporter will be thankful for but the way he just jumped ship and scarpered off to Villa, money speaks millions too him. I have said all along that he should have stayed with us and gotten a bit more experienced in the management side of things but I think he thought he was the Bees Knees after winning the title up here and he would do the same with Villa. But he found out the EPL is a lot tougher than Scottish football plus he had ambitions of managing Liverpool one day but now that has been shot down in flames, Graeme Souness managed us up here but won a lot more trophies than Gerrard did and then Liverpool came calling and he left. In all, Souness gained experience in management and won more than a Scottish League Title, Stevie my old son you will never be a Souness now, maybe if you had stayed at the Gers a bit longer and won a few more trophies up here, things would have been different.
Spike Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Gunnersaurus said: I think he coached Liverpools under 23s. Then he got the job at rangers and did well. I don't think you can really blame him for taking the opportunity I could fucking win the league with Rangers, it's a coin flip.
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ Posted October 21, 2022 Subscriber Posted October 21, 2022 39 minutes ago, Spike said: I could fucking win the league with Rangers, it's a coin flip. A 2 headed coin
Subscriber Dan+ Posted October 21, 2022 Subscriber Posted October 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Is it fucked up I want to see Dyche as Villa manager so we can see what Brexit ball can do when it's got some financial muscle behind it? Is it even more fucked up that I sort of want him here? I don't think he's going to take a better resourced side and try and set up exactly the same as he did at Burnley. At Burnley he had an extremely limited side. I've got a theory on Dyche that he's a bit misunderstood, is more attacking than given credit for, Burnley pressed more than people think (maybe not against top sides) but on the flip side, they also absolutely weren't solid at the back. Robust absolutely but not totally negative. I think of when Pulis went to Palace. He didn't try and turn them into Stoke, they were still pretty good on the break for a large part. I think he'd do a decent job here or at Villa. But I could be completely wide of the mark - it's something I'd watch with intrigue. Don't think he'd be my absolute number one choice but I'd be intrigued to see what happened if he came here. I think he'd at worst get our act together somewhat and have us at par for our squad.
OrangeKhrush Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 9 hours ago, LFCMadLad said: I don't know where he goes from here? Maybe needs to drop a league or two? sunderland
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted October 21, 2022 Subscriber Posted October 21, 2022 Gerrard at Villa seemed to be pretty stale even from the very early days. Hopefully he gets a chance to rebuild his career. Too many young managers are consigned to the scrap heap after one failed job. Not everyone can be born into management as an elite manager. Mourinho and Guardiola were the exceptions in this and it shouldn't be the case that if you aren't the finished product at that point then you never can be.
Waylander Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 I had forgotten about Dyche would be nice to see him getting a chance with a bigger club.
Subscriber Dan+ Posted October 21, 2022 Subscriber Posted October 21, 2022 46 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: Gerrard at Villa seemed to be pretty stale even from the very early days. Hopefully he gets a chance to rebuild his career. Too many young managers are consigned to the scrap heap after one failed job. Not everyone can be born into management as an elite manager. Mourinho and Guardiola were the exceptions in this and it shouldn't be the case that if you aren't the finished product at that point then you never can be. Not just me then who thinks this whole "been rubbish since Beale left" is a bit of a myth. I don't think it's ever properly gotten going at all under Gerrard. They were pretty unhappy last season with things. The whole episode was disappointing.
Administrator Stan Posted October 21, 2022 Author Administrator Posted October 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Dan said: Not just me then who thinks this whole "been rubbish since Beale left" is a bit of a myth. I don't think it's ever properly gotten going at all under Gerrard. They were pretty unhappy last season with things. The whole episode was disappointing. Spent a fair bit in summer as well. Diego Carlos's knee got fucked and that was £27m down the drain. Not Gerrard's fault of course, but definitely didn't help. If I remember correctly, they looked okay when Mings got dropped - he's been a liability for them recently but not sure who else he could have called upon. Perhaps @Reluctant Striker can offer more insight, but selling the wingers and going very CM-heavy hasn't helped either.
OrangeKhrush Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 not pointing fingers but surely Coutinho was not a good option.
OrangeKhrush Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said: Steven Gerrard's reaction @OrangeKhrush farley never disappoints
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ Posted October 21, 2022 Subscriber Posted October 21, 2022 1 hour ago, OrangeKhrush said: not pointing fingers but surely Coutinho was not a good option. Another Griezmann, brilliant at Atlético Madrid the first time around then moved to Barca and he was never the same and shipped back to Atlético. Coutinho was brilliant at Liverpool then moved to Barca and he was never the same as the latter then a loan move to Bayern and ended up at Villa.
Administrator Stan Posted October 21, 2022 Author Administrator Posted October 21, 2022 39 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said: farley never disappoints Literally every time.
Dave Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 He's been exposed really since Michael Beale left. I wonder if his latest regrets leaving Blackpool now. He had a lot of clout there.
OrangeKhrush Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 The mandatory Newcastle dig, forgive us for spending money better than Villa and leeds did.
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