Sandro Tonali - 10-month Ban for Illegal Betting

[Stan]

Removed from Italy squad earlier this week due to 'ongoing investigation'. Apparently it's to do with illegal betting. 

[Whiskey]

I'll sound like a Maggie Smith but here goes. Are they saying that it was illegal betting in the sense of footballers not being allowed to bet on football, or serious illegal betting shit like dog fighting etc?

[Bluebird Hewitt]

14 minutes ago, Whiskey said:

I'll sound like a Maggie Smith but here goes. Are they saying that it was illegal betting in the sense of footballers not being allowed to bet on football, or serious illegal betting shit like dog fighting etc?

Not really stated Maggie but it mentions in the below article that from yesterday, Fagioli is under investigation for apparently using different identities to bet on illegal websites, which seems to point to the latter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67085496

Edited October 13, 2023 by Bluebird Hewitt

[Reluctant Striker]

Really do not need any complications here. Zaniolo only in on loan as a necessity, due to Buendia long term & Ramsey still struggling.

Still, at least Villa will have an easier route to look for an alternative in January. And as an emergency available loan option he was, he's unsurprisingly looked a weak link.

But, if it is an Italian thing only, could it just be international careers punished? 

[Gunnersaurus]

Footballers can bet on other sports yeah? Just not football. Can they bet on a league that has no affect on them?

[Dave]

5 hours ago, Whiskey said:

I'll sound like a Maggie Smith but here goes. Are they saying that it was illegal betting in the sense of footballers not being allowed to bet on football, or serious illegal betting shit like dog fighting etc?

What's Maggie Smith ever done to you?

[Dr. Gonzo]

5 hours ago, Whiskey said:

I'll sound like a Maggie Smith but here goes. Are they saying that it was illegal betting in the sense of footballers not being allowed to bet on football, or serious illegal betting shit like dog fighting etc?

 

2 hours ago, Gunnersaurus said:

Footballers can bet on other sports yeah? Just not football. Can they bet on a league that has no affect on them?

In Italy they're not meant to bet on anything online I'm 99% sure. I think Tonali and Zaniolo have alleged they were just playing poker online, which might get them banned from playing in Italy but I don't know if they can enforce that ban in the UK. Fagioli said he was betting on matches he was playing in and that the other 2 were also betting on football.

[OrangeKhrush]

the Italian position seems to extend betting into the realm of gambling where even poker or roulette are regarded as illegal.  

I haven't yet read anything on what tonali did but apparently zaniolo did make sports bets against his own team while playing for Roma, that is a bit of a problem.

[Cicero]

Fagioli from Juve self reported and may serve an 18 month - 3 year ban. He admitted to getting the app from Tonali. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Cicero

[Dr. Gonzo]

On 14/10/2023 at 02:27, OrangeKhrush said:

the Italian position seems to extend betting into the realm of gambling where even poker or roulette are regarded as illegal.  

I haven't yet read anything on what tonali did but apparently zaniolo did make sports bets against his own team while playing for Roma, that is a bit of a problem.

Seems like everyone involved was betting on football, including on their own teams. Tonali's agreed to get treatment for gambling addiction. I wonder if Milan knew, maybe Maldini was sacked to save his reputation & Tonali was sold without much negotiation to just try to get value for him before he's banned for this.

[Cicero]

8 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Seems like everyone involved was betting on football, including on their own teams. Tonali's agreed to get treatment for gambling addiction. I wonder if Milan knew, maybe Maldini was sacked to save his reputation & Tonali was sold without much negotiation to just try to get value for him before he's banned for this.

If true Newcastle have every right to go after Milan. Assuming this wasn't disclosed. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Cicero

[Dr. Gonzo]

2 minutes ago, Cicero said:

If true Newcastle have every right to go after Milan. Assuming this wasn't disclosed. 

How would they prove it though? Milan would just deny, unless they're stupid enough to have given written communication from the club about this there's nothing that Newcastle can really point to as evidence. 

[OrangeKhrush]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Seems like everyone involved was betting on football, including on their own teams. Tonali's agreed to get treatment for gambling addiction. I wonder if Milan knew, maybe Maldini was sacked to save his reputation & Tonali was sold without much negotiation to just try to get value for him before he's banned for this.

I read the same,  if Milan knew and didn't disclose we will be able to sue them.   We could also terminate the players contract without reciprocal performance, or put differently,  we will be able to cancel his contract without paying him anything.  I don't think it will go that far though,  unless there is a 3 year ban.   

I am also not sure how an italian ban applies in England. 

[OrangeKhrush]

It is very disappointing and even if he is hypothetically banned the rest of the season, it will put him well down the pecking order and playing catch up 

[Mel81x+]

I fail to understand how an offense committed in Italy can incur a world-wide ban? Is it the fact that they were in Italy when it happened? so now they must do the time because of that? Bit confused. 

[Stan]

15 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

How would they prove it though? Milan would just deny, unless they're stupid enough to have given written communication from the club about this there's nothing that Newcastle can really point to as evidence. 

 

14 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

I read the same,  if Milan knew and didn't disclose we will be able to sue them.   We could also terminate the players contract without reciprocal performance, or put differently,  we will be able to cancel his contract without paying him anything.  I don't think it will go that far though,  unless there is a 3 year ban.   

I am also not sure how an italian ban applies in England. 

Has it been confirmed that Milan knew anything? 

[Mel81x+]

3 minutes ago, Stan said:

 

Has it been confirmed that Milan knew anything? 

I'd imagine that will never ever come to light. I doubt they'd be stupid enough to leave anything around for that to be validated.

[Dave]

A ban in Italy would have no bearing in England unless it was a ban applied by UEFA or FIFA.

[OrangeKhrush]

1 hour ago, Stan said:

 

Has it been confirmed that Milan knew anything? 

nothing and it's not something easy to prove either.   

[OrangeKhrush]

1 minute ago, The Palace Fan said:

A ban in Italy would have no bearing in England unless it was a ban applied by UEFA or FIFA.

I hope so 

[Cicero]

I'd imagine it would be taken to UEFA. 

[Cicero]

Fagioli banned 7 months. 

[Cicero]

Breaking:

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Sandro Tonali has admitted to betting on Milan to win matches after his agent Beppe Riso revealed he has a gambling addiction. He will receive support from the Italian FA. #NUFC yet to comment.

Maximum punishment is a three-year ban, but likely to be reduced to 12 months. pic.twitter.com/VvZdOp3kKi

 

[Dave]

If he's been betting on matches he's involved in then he's fortunate not to have a longer ban than 12 months as far as I'm concerned.

I don't like being cynical but the timing of his transfer from AC Milan was far too odd and convenient for them not to have known something.

[Inverted]

Betting on your own team's games is a fairly severe case, you would think. 

I fully sympathise but it feels somewhat unfair/cynical if a gambling addiction gets you a half or more reduction in your penalty. The point of addictions being diagnosable illnesses is to enable people to correct their behaviour and confront the consequences, not dodge them.