Administrator Stan Posted October 13, 2023 Administrator Share Posted October 13, 2023 Removed from Italy squad earlier this week due to 'ongoing investigation'. Apparently it's to do with illegal betting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 I'll sound like a Maggie Smith but here goes. Are they saying that it was illegal betting in the sense of footballers not being allowed to bet on football, or serious illegal betting shit like dog fighting etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Whiskey said: I'll sound like a Maggie Smith but here goes. Are they saying that it was illegal betting in the sense of footballers not being allowed to bet on football, or serious illegal betting shit like dog fighting etc? Not really stated Maggie but it mentions in the below article that from yesterday, Fagioli is under investigation for apparently using different identities to bet on illegal websites, which seems to point to the latter. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67085496 Edited October 13, 2023 by Bluebird Hewitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reluctant Striker Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Really do not need any complications here. Zaniolo only in on loan as a necessity, due to Buendia long term & Ramsey still struggling. Still, at least Villa will have an easier route to look for an alternative in January. And as an emergency available loan option he was, he's unsurprisingly looked a weak link. But, if it is an Italian thing only, could it just be international careers punished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnersaurus Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Footballers can bet on other sports yeah? Just not football. Can they bet on a league that has no affect on them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 5 hours ago, Whiskey said: I'll sound like a Maggie Smith but here goes. Are they saying that it was illegal betting in the sense of footballers not being allowed to bet on football, or serious illegal betting shit like dog fighting etc? What's Maggie Smith ever done to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 5 hours ago, Whiskey said: I'll sound like a Maggie Smith but here goes. Are they saying that it was illegal betting in the sense of footballers not being allowed to bet on football, or serious illegal betting shit like dog fighting etc? 2 hours ago, Gunnersaurus said: Footballers can bet on other sports yeah? Just not football. Can they bet on a league that has no affect on them? In Italy they're not meant to bet on anything online I'm 99% sure. I think Tonali and Zaniolo have alleged they were just playing poker online, which might get them banned from playing in Italy but I don't know if they can enforce that ban in the UK. Fagioli said he was betting on matches he was playing in and that the other 2 were also betting on football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 the Italian position seems to extend betting into the realm of gambling where even poker or roulette are regarded as illegal. I haven't yet read anything on what tonali did but apparently zaniolo did make sports bets against his own team while playing for Roma, that is a bit of a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) Fagioli from Juve self reported and may serve an 18 month - 3 year ban. He admitted to getting the app from Tonali. Edited October 16, 2023 by Cicero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 On 14/10/2023 at 02:27, OrangeKhrush said: the Italian position seems to extend betting into the realm of gambling where even poker or roulette are regarded as illegal. I haven't yet read anything on what tonali did but apparently zaniolo did make sports bets against his own team while playing for Roma, that is a bit of a problem. Seems like everyone involved was betting on football, including on their own teams. Tonali's agreed to get treatment for gambling addiction. I wonder if Milan knew, maybe Maldini was sacked to save his reputation & Tonali was sold without much negotiation to just try to get value for him before he's banned for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Seems like everyone involved was betting on football, including on their own teams. Tonali's agreed to get treatment for gambling addiction. I wonder if Milan knew, maybe Maldini was sacked to save his reputation & Tonali was sold without much negotiation to just try to get value for him before he's banned for this. If true Newcastle have every right to go after Milan. Assuming this wasn't disclosed. Edited October 16, 2023 by Cicero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cicero said: If true Newcastle have every right to go after Milan. Assuming this wasn't disclosed. How would they prove it though? Milan would just deny, unless they're stupid enough to have given written communication from the club about this there's nothing that Newcastle can really point to as evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Seems like everyone involved was betting on football, including on their own teams. Tonali's agreed to get treatment for gambling addiction. I wonder if Milan knew, maybe Maldini was sacked to save his reputation & Tonali was sold without much negotiation to just try to get value for him before he's banned for this. I read the same, if Milan knew and didn't disclose we will be able to sue them. We could also terminate the players contract without reciprocal performance, or put differently, we will be able to cancel his contract without paying him anything. I don't think it will go that far though, unless there is a 3 year ban. I am also not sure how an italian ban applies in England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 It is very disappointing and even if he is hypothetically banned the rest of the season, it will put him well down the pecking order and playing catch up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ Posted October 17, 2023 Subscriber Share Posted October 17, 2023 I fail to understand how an offense committed in Italy can incur a world-wide ban? Is it the fact that they were in Italy when it happened? so now they must do the time because of that? Bit confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted October 17, 2023 Author Administrator Share Posted October 17, 2023 15 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: How would they prove it though? Milan would just deny, unless they're stupid enough to have given written communication from the club about this there's nothing that Newcastle can really point to as evidence. 14 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said: I read the same, if Milan knew and didn't disclose we will be able to sue them. We could also terminate the players contract without reciprocal performance, or put differently, we will be able to cancel his contract without paying him anything. I don't think it will go that far though, unless there is a 3 year ban. I am also not sure how an italian ban applies in England. Has it been confirmed that Milan knew anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ Posted October 17, 2023 Subscriber Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Stan said: Has it been confirmed that Milan knew anything? I'd imagine that will never ever come to light. I doubt they'd be stupid enough to leave anything around for that to be validated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 A ban in Italy would have no bearing in England unless it was a ban applied by UEFA or FIFA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Stan said: Has it been confirmed that Milan knew anything? nothing and it's not something easy to prove either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, The Palace Fan said: A ban in Italy would have no bearing in England unless it was a ban applied by UEFA or FIFA. I hope so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 I'd imagine it would be taken to UEFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Fagioli banned 7 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Breaking: Quote Sandro Tonali has admitted to betting on Milan to win matches after his agent Beppe Riso revealed he has a gambling addiction. He will receive support from the Italian FA. #NUFC yet to comment. Maximum punishment is a three-year ban, but likely to be reduced to 12 months. pic.twitter.com/VvZdOp3kKi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 If he's been betting on matches he's involved in then he's fortunate not to have a longer ban than 12 months as far as I'm concerned. I don't like being cynical but the timing of his transfer from AC Milan was far too odd and convenient for them not to have known something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Betting on your own team's games is a fairly severe case, you would think. I fully sympathise but it feels somewhat unfair/cynical if a gambling addiction gets you a half or more reduction in your penalty. The point of addictions being diagnosable illnesses is to enable people to correct their behaviour and confront the consequences, not dodge them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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