Rucksackfranzose Posted May 28 Posted May 28 13 minutes ago, Stan said: Don't do it, Dortmund Is he that bad or are Leicester interested in him as well? Genuine question since not following Premier League. Quote
Administrator Stan Posted May 28 Administrator Posted May 28 1 hour ago, Rucksackfranzose said: Is he that bad or are Leicester interested in him as well? Genuine question since not following Premier League. It's his domestic abuse history - I wouldn't want him anywhere near us! 1 Quote
Whiskey Posted May 28 Posted May 28 I'd lose a lot of respect for BVB if they did this. It's a shame though because someone will take him on, simply because he's clearly still got some of that talent that made him so popular anyway. 1 Quote
Dr. Gonzo Posted May 28 Posted May 28 3 hours ago, Rucksackfranzose said: Is he that bad or are Leicester interested in him as well? Genuine question since not following Premier League. He's a violent rapist, no club should want anything to do with him. 1 Quote
Michael Posted May 28 Posted May 28 It seems like Dortmund are looking at Greenwood as an alternative option to Sancho. I still think that Sancho is Dortmund's preferred choice, but United are apparently asking for a £55 million transfer fee for him. Dortmund will look to bring that transfer asking price down, if they end up bidding for Sancho. Greenwood is a real talent, despite his disreputable and shameful actions off of the pitch. I've seen him play some very good games for Getafe this season. However, I read that Man United will still be asking a hefty transfer fee for him, with reports saying anything from £30 million to £50 million. Which I find a little surprising, given that Greenwood only has one year left on his contract with Man Utd and the fact that United want to get rid of him, after they practically announced that he wouldn't play for them again. With Sancho, I think a lot depends on whether ten Hag stays at the club next season or if he leaves. If ten Hag leaves, then I think that there will be more incentive for Sancho to stay at United. However, if the manager stays at Old Trafford, then I think that Sancho will want to make the move to Dortmund permanent or at least have another loan spell at the club. As it stands though, it seems like Greenwood will be a cheaper option. But do Dortmund really want to tarnish their reputation by signing him, despite the obvious talent that the 22 year old has? Quote
Rucksackfranzose Posted May 28 Posted May 28 (edited) 7 hours ago, Michael said: It seems like Dortmund are looking at Greenwood as an alternative option to Sancho. I still think that Sancho is Dortmund's preferred choice, but United are apparently asking for a £55 million transfer fee for him. Dortmund will look to bring that transfer asking price down, if they end up bidding for Sancho. Greenwood is a real talent, despite his disreputable and shameful actions off of the pitch. I've seen him play some very good games for Getafe this season. However, I read that Man United will still be asking a hefty transfer fee for him, with reports saying anything from £30 million to £50 million. Which I find a little surprising, given that Greenwood only has one year left on his contract with Man Utd and the fact that United want to get rid of him, after they practically announced that he wouldn't play for them again. With Sancho, I think a lot depends on whether ten Hag stays at the club next season or if he leaves. If ten Hag leaves, then I think that there will be more incentive for Sancho to stay at United. However, if the manager stays at Old Trafford, then I think that Sancho will want to make the move to Dortmund permanent or at least have another loan spell at the club. As it stands though, it seems like Greenwood will be a cheaper option. But do Dortmund really want to tarnish their reputation by signing him, despite the obvious talent that the 22 year old has? To be honest, don't think that would tarnish their reputation since I guess the least Germans know about his domestic abuse history. I didn't because not even football magazines reported about it let alone other media outlets. And as long as Brits don't spent much money on Dortmund merch the reputation Dortmund has in the UK is of no significance for them, to be frank. Edited May 29 by Rucksackfranzose Quote
Devil-Dick Willie Posted May 29 Posted May 29 8 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: He's a violent rapist, no club should want anything to do with him. Russia, China, bigger easter european clubs Prague, Zagreb, Shakhtar are all options. North Italy? Quote
Administrator Stan Posted May 29 Administrator Posted May 29 7 hours ago, Rucksackfranzose said: To be honest, don't think that would tarnish their reputation since I guess the least Germans know about his domestic abuse history. I didn't because not even football magazines reported about it let alone other media outlets. And as long as Brits don't spent much money on Dortmund merch the reputation Dortmund has in the UK is of no significance for them, to be frank. Sorry but that doesn't absolve who he is or what his behaviour is like towards women. Whether fans know about it or not shouldn't be the decision-maker for Dortmund, and Dortmund themselves would fully know his history (if not, they must be living under a rock). It's not about Dortmund's reputation in the UK, either. There's probably a reason football magazines or media outlets didn't report it. It may be that they didn't want to be open to all kinds of legal minefields on what they can/can't report. Have you seen the videos of when the abuse surfaced? They're not pleasant. He's a vile man and Dortmund would do well to steer clear of signing someone like this, whether his reputation is bad/not known in Germany or not. Quote
Rucksackfranzose Posted May 29 Posted May 29 19 minutes ago, Stan said: Sorry but that doesn't absolve who he is or what his behaviour is like towards women. Whether fans know about it or not shouldn't be the decision-maker for Dortmund, and Dortmund themselves would fully know his history (if not, they must be living under a rock). It's not about Dortmund's reputation in the UK, either. There's probably a reason football magazines or media outlets didn't report it. It may be that they didn't want to be open to all kinds of legal minefields on what they can/can't report. Have you seen the videos of when the abuse surfaced? They're not pleasant. He's a vile man and Dortmund would do well to steer clear of signing someone like this, whether his reputation is bad/not known in Germany or not. Where did I say it would?Have to say googled Greenwood and saw the accusations were mentioned in his German wiki entry. Saw a sentence there you apparently ignored, though: "Die Anklage wurde Anfang Februar 2023 fallen gelassen, nachdem Hauptbelastungszeugen ihre Aussagen zurückgezogen hatten und neue Beweismittel bekannt geworden waren." The intersting parts are bolded and translate to: " The charges were dropped after new evidence emerged." Not sure whether I'm willing to brush aside that and the doctrine "innocent until proven guilty" as easily as you seem to do. Quote
OrangeKhrush Posted May 29 Posted May 29 No man united fan will care how and to who. They just want the elephant off their back. Quote
Administrator Stan Posted May 29 Administrator Posted May 29 34 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said: Where did I say it would?Have to say googled Greenwood and saw the accusations were mentioned in his German wiki entry. Saw a sentence there you apparently ignored, though: "Die Anklage wurde Anfang Februar 2023 fallen gelassen, nachdem Hauptbelastungszeugen ihre Aussagen zurückgezogen hatten und neue Beweismittel bekannt geworden waren." The intersting parts are bolded and translate to: " The charges were dropped after new evidence emerged." Not sure whether I'm willing to brush aside that and the doctrine "innocent until proven guilty" as easily as you seem to do. I didn't need to read the Wiki entry, so no I didn't ignore anything. You haven't seen the videos. No-one knows what the new evidence was. I don't think it's ever been publicised. But what was publicised was Greenwood beating the shit out of his then girlfriend. Clear evidence, not a Wikipedia line. Charges being dropped doesn't equate to not being an abuser. Quote
Rucksackfranzose Posted May 29 Posted May 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stan said: I didn't need to read the Wiki entry, so no I didn't ignore anything. You haven't seen the videos. No-one knows what the new evidence was. I don't think it's ever been publicised. But what was publicised was Greenwood beating the shit out of his then girlfriend. Clear evidence, not a Wikipedia line. Charges being dropped doesn't equate to not being an abuser. Greenwood beating up that woman is undoubtedly morally reprehensible and, in my honest opinion, reason enough not to sign him on its own. It's evidence of domestic violence, as I said reason enough not to sign him, it's no evidence of sexual abuse, yet. Edited May 29 by Rucksackfranzose Quote
DeadLinesman Posted May 29 Posted May 29 29 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said: Greenwood beating up that woman is undoubtedly morally reprehensible and, in my honest opinion, reason enough not to sign him on his own. It's evidence of domestic violence, as I said reason enough not to sign him, it's no evidence of sexual abuse, yet. Mate. There’s literally audio of the attack. 1 1 1 Quote
Dr. Gonzo Posted May 29 Posted May 29 10 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Russia, China, bigger easter european clubs Prague, Zagreb, Shakhtar are all options. North Italy? Does Mars have any football teams? Better send him up there so he can check. 1 Quote
Dave Posted July 9 Author Posted July 9 Not surprised that De Zerbi has made comments to be honest. You can take the man out of Brighton... The Mayor of Marseille on the other hand hasnt been living under a cave. Quote
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