Assisted dying vote in UK

[MUFC]

Where do you stand on this?

[RandoEFC+]

None of my business what people want to do with their lives. Should be their choice and I find it absolutely baffling how the main opposition to this comes from the (often religious) libertarians who otherwise can't stop banging on about freedoms and the "nanny state" whilst simultaneously doing everything they can to tell others how to and how not to live their lives.

I get that there's an exploitation angle in some cases but it really annoys me how religious people insist that everyone lives by the same values as them. If you think that humans don't have the right to preside over life and death because God gave you life then fine, nobody's forcing you to take up the option of an early but comfortable passage to the next place, so please don't stop everyone else who doesn't believe in that from having the option themselves.

Same with gay marriage, abortion, etc. It's the 21st century.

[nudge]

I have a very strong opinion about this. People should have the right to die with dignity, and they deserve to have the right to choose it on their own terms. 

[MUFC]

2 hours ago, nudge said:

I have a very strong opinion about this. People should have the right to be bummed with dignity 

[Spike]

It's mad that you can't even decide how to die.

[CaaC (John)]

We can't choose the way we are born so I think we should be able to choose the way we die in a humane way and under certain conditions.

My brother was born disabled with one leg, toes and fingers missing but my parents brought him up to walk with an artificial leg and enjoy life, he married twice and has 4 children and is still going strong to this day, but....

If I suddenly became disabled and I was confined to a bed or wheelchair where the only movement I had was being able to talk and move my head and rely on other people to feed me and cater for my toilet needs then I would want to die peacefully and should have the right to do so.

Having an illness like cancer etc where I was given so long to live I would want to carry on with life with the possibility that a cure could be found, if not, then I will pass away.

It bloody annoys me where you get these religious fanatics who are against it, if they want to choose a life in believing in a God that would let people be born this way or end up disabled then find a desert island and move there with your beliefs and let us humans get on with life believing or not believing in God and have the right to die.

Am I religious? After serving in the army and on tours of duty and going into mortuaries and seeing dead mutilated bodies, men, women and children lying there, I thought at the time that the people who did this did it in the name of God. 

[Devil-Dick Willie]

I worked at a nursing home for years. Anyone who says they don't support assisted dying, send them on a trip to the local high care dementia wing of a nursing home. Literal prisoners in their own body, scrunched up in the same position, unable to move, just able to blabber and eat slop. No way to die.

[Rick]

Echo the sentiment of everybody here. Your body, your life, your choice. 

[OrangeKhrush]

If it is the persons wish as per a dying will,  or per the family then it should be fine.   A doctor should not suggest it, as that is a violation of the hypocritical oath.   

It sucks but sometimes the quality of life will not be worth it.  If the chance drops to no chance of stopping it then it is better to let them go.

[Bluewolf]

People should be able to choose for themselves... Both my parents suffered and I know for a fact that my father would have taken the option to end it all earlier because he knew what was coming. There comes a point in your life where the quality of life is no longer there anymore and it just becomes a struggle to get through each day and that is no way to live.. It just becomes tedious survival with no happiness... 

I am sure that there would be other family members that might oppose it but that is probably down to some selfish reasons, nobody likes to let a loved one go but let them choose and give them some dignity or you might end up with the situation @Devil-Dick Willie mentions where the choice eventually passes you by and you are trapped in a body that hardly functions and I don't personally fancy going out like that.. 

 

[CaaC (John)]

I had an army mate in Germany, served with him, and did a tour of duty with him, he was 22 years old, I went out on the piss with him and got in many a fight but we both had a good time and enjoyed life.

Move on years later when I was demobbed from the army I found out that when he was on leave he went to the local swimming pool, went on the diving board and dived side-ways from the board, he did not know there was a ledge on that side just above the water and hit his head on the ledge, he was then paralyzed for life and confined to a wheelchair.

To this day I do not know if he is still alive and in a wheelchair and I think to myself if that was me and I had the choice then I would have chosen the right to die, life can be glorious sometimes but other times it can be evil.

As DDW said he worked in a nursing home with old people, dementia the lot, it's so sad to see this, we did this in our army days on tours of duty in Belfast, visiting care homes for tea stops and trying to chat away with them, some of them could not move properly but always tried to smile at us.

Fuck life sometimes, I am lucky really as at 75 years old I have been through the mill in life, I have sciatica, COPD, asthma and a heart failure condition but I can still move around and continue as it is, if I ended up with the latter I mentioned above then I would like to say goodbye dear world and disappear into the dark blue yonder.

[Spike]

10 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

If it is the persons wish as per a dying will,  or per the family then it should be fine.   A doctor should not suggest it, as that is a violation of the hypocritical oath.   

It sucks but sometimes the quality of life will not be worth it.  If the chance drops to no chance of stopping it then it is better to let them go.

It's Hippocratic Oath, ans using a knife is also in violation of what some Greek nonce said two and half thousand years ago. Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time?

https://marcovecellio.net/downloads-10/downloads-13/files/the hippocratic oath.pdf

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On 30/11/2024 at 10:12, OrangeKhrush said:

If it is the persons wish as per a dying will,  or per the family then it should be fine.   A doctor should not suggest it, as that is a violation of the hypocritical oath.   

It sucks but sometimes the quality of life will not be worth it.  If the chance drops to no chance of stopping it then it is better to let them go.

I think you're confusing doctors with politicians.

[Azeem]

okay with it but can see the exploitation angle. 

[Devil-Dick Willie]

7 hours ago, Azeem said:

okay with it but can see the exploitation angle. 

It is unbelievably easy to reduce and possibly if being conservative with it, remove exploitation altogether. 

[Azeem]

8 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

It is unbelievably easy to reduce and possibly if being conservative with it, remove exploitation altogether. 

theoretically yes but practically probably not. You would know better bcz you worked in it but I've heard abuse is not uncommon in those elderly care and other nursing facilities in general.