UK Politics

[Bluebird Hewitt]

On the plus side, you could now, quite literally, have 'anyone but the Tories' running the UK as everyone wanted. 

[SirBalon]

23 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

The countries not split down the Middle on Brexit

The country is split down the middle on everything mate.  I'm talking about what counts...  The people, not the parties!  Voting doesn't go on manifestos because voting trends right this minute go on messages mate.

It's the people that matter and the most fascinating thing is how it looks like we're a whole load of different countries all in one nation...  With London being its own island.

[Fairy In Boots]

13 minutes ago, Danny said:

She can't remain in power now surely, how can you call an election and not get a majority?

 

8 minutes ago, Stan said:

exactly. I don't see the problem with Corbyn calling for her resignation. It's just the same as senior members of her own party calling for her to go. No conceivable way she can stay in power now. 

😂 I get that Corbyn has enthused you guys but learn about the first past the post system as a care point.

You need 326 to form a majority, Labour, SNP, Green, Lid Dems can't get to that number so it's either Tory minority rule or Tory/DUP coalition. On the continent elections frequently resulting in hung parliaments and then a coalition is formed. 

[Stan]

7 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

 

😂 I get that Corbyn has enthused you guys but learn about the first past the post system as a care point.

You need 326 to form a majority, Labour, SNP, Green, Lid Dems can't get to that number so it's either Tory minority rule or Tory/DUP coalition. On the continent elections frequently resulting in hung parliaments and then a coalition is formed. 

mate i know how it works and can accept there'll be a minority government but how is May's position tenable, coalition or not?

Surely you don't think she can continue either? 

[RandoEFC+]

@Fairy In Boots you're starting to come across as one of those "everyone who votes different to me is an idiot" snobs mate. 

Laughable that you can claim on the previous page that it's not a good thing to see increased turnout in young voters when, like it or not, it leads to a more balanced representation of the country's opinion.

Have to agree with your issue with the posters made by those primary school kids. You have to be very careful as a teacher not to influence young people's political views and having them drawing communist shit on posters is absolutely disgusting from that teacher who should be facing serious disciplinary action. However, that doesn't mean that the young are getting "indoctrinated" OT anything to that effect, it's just genuinely better for young people to vote Labour in this election based on the manifestos. 

Agree with others though that neither party is ultimately what the country needs at the moment. 

[Fairy In Boots]

15 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

The country is split down the middle on everything mate.  I'm talking about what counts...  The people, not the parties!  Voting doesn't go on manifestos because voting trends right this minute go on messages mate.

It's the people that matter and the most fascinating thing is how it looks like we're a whole load of different countries all in one nation...  With London being its own island.

London hasn't been English for about 10 years now. It votes Labour continuously and it's losing a few seats at the next election as we shed 50 seats. 

[HK85]

My Mersey paradise of red. Love seeing that map (fuck Southport).

Also god bless the kids. 

[Honey Honey]

Marxists are already politically active and were already Labour voters.

What is mainly happening to drive new young voters is blowback over tuition fees. The new generation being charged the premium are now of voting age and the Tory party are paying the price.

Remember 1 million 16-20 year olds lined the streets protesting the trebling of tuition fees and the Tory party went ahead with it anyway. Students had no party standing up for them in 2015.

Corbyn came along promised he would wipe out their tuition fees. It was only a matter of time before someone took advantage of how politically thick the Tory party were. It is up there with Blair ignoring 1 million protesters over Iraq. 

This is blowback. 

[Fairy In Boots]

5 minutes ago, Stan said:

mate i know how it works and can accept there'll be a minority government but how is May's position tenable, coalition or not?

Surely you don't think she can continue either? 

I don't think she will see the next election in 2022 as she's obviously not very good at it. In terms of her position she's got the best Tory vote since 1979 it just hasn't translated into seats as she had a golden opportunity for more. Democratically she's the choice despite us pretty much all accepting she's shit. 

 

4 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

@Fairy In Boots you're starting to come across as one of those "everyone who votes different to me is an idiot" snobs mate. 

Laughable that you can claim on the previous page that it's not a good thing to see increased turnout in young voters when, like it or not, it leads to a more balanced representation of the country's opinion.

Have to agree with your issue with the posters made by those primary school kids. You have to be very careful as a teacher not to influence young people's political views and having them drawing communist shit on posters is absolutely disgusting from that teacher who should be facing serious disciplinary action. However, that doesn't mean that the young are getting "indoctrinated" OT anything to that effect, it's just genuinely better for young people to vote Labour in this election based on the manifestos. 

Agree with others though that neither party is ultimately what the country needs at the moment. 

I'm not saying if you don't vote my way you're an idiot. I'm saying voting without truly understanding what you're voting for is stupid. 

The young are being indoctrinated with left ideals, it happens naturally anyway but specific ideologies are being glossed over and pushed with a particular bias. I saw a kid I went school with post on his Facebook about how he'd taught his class "the policies of love from Jeremy Corbyn", if I knew what school I'd report him. 

It's the exuberance of youth who're always more idealistic and want change and don't understand why something is a certain way. It's why the % of left voters is high in the young. As they get older more experienced they tend to bear right and eventually end up and the older they get the % of right voting increases. 

[Dave]

 

Jonathan Pie nails it again.

[Honey Honey]

Bit too bias. Would have been more accurate if he called it by its real name, champagne socialism.

[SirBalon]

20 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

London hasn't been English for about 10 years now.

I hate to think what you may be referring to there mate.  There is nothing un-english about London.  Nothing whatsoever!  But if it's what I assume you're referring to, then there are other parts of the country that are "less English" than London.  What we have in London is a phenomenon of not choosing our vote depending if our arse itches a bit more or a bit less.

[Burning Gold]

9 hours ago, HoneyNUFC said:

Hopefully that means no more Nick Clegg or his wife on Tele crying over Brexit. 

Sit down, shut up and fuck off remoaners.

If Farron is gone as well that is great news, lib dems can be rebuilt properly. 

For a smart man you are incredibly naive sometimes 

[Honey Honey]

Theresa May has announced it will be a Tory minority government and the DUP will vote their budget through.

Minority governments tend not to last very long. 

[Stan]

7 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said:

Theresa May has announced it will be a Tory minority government and the DUP will vote their budget through.

Minority governments tend not to last very long. 

with this announcement, what's the likelihood of another election and if there is one, when might that be?

[Honey Honey]

3 minutes ago, Stan said:

with this announcement, what's the likelihood of another election and if there is one, when might that be?

No clue when as it would depend on 1 of 3 scenarios 

1. DUP no longer support Tory budget

2. May thinks she can win 

3. Tory party remove May and have another go with someone else

 

I'd think on number 3 people like Boris will be working behind the scenes to position himself.

[SirBalon]

4 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said:

No clue when as it would depend on 1 of 3 scenarios 

1. DUP no longer support Tory budget

2. May thinks she can win 

3. Tory party remove May and have another go with someone else

 

I'd think on number 3 people like Boris will be working behind the scenes to position himself.

Tory turmoil like the one Labour have been having with the anti-Corbyn brigade could make the whole thing a mess because the Tory Party are split hell for leather on Brexit and the negotiations.  That could spell too much uncertainty for a very sensitive British economy and make a second General Election a lesser of the two evils?

[Honey Honey]

I think the advantage the conservatives have is they were shit, they can't be worse next time, Labour haven't even come close despite how poor a campaign the Tories ran.

I predict they will wait maybe 8 months before calling another election where they do it properly.

 

 

[RandoEFC+]

Boris Johnson is one of the handful of people I can think of who I'd actually not prefer to have as PM over May. 

@Fairy In Boots not quoting you because on phone but the key point is that you're right on people not knowing what they're voting for. I've always thought schools need to be educating future voters better about economics and governance but the bent politicians and the propaganda-driven media make it all but impossible for your average citizen to actually understand what they're voting for. It's a massive problem in the country at the moment. 

Any other teachers plugging a political belief of any kind are a poison to the rest of us, it's a disgrace to be trying to manipulate young minds that way. 

[Honey Honey]

 

[Fairy In Boots]

1 hour ago, HoneyNUFC said:

Bit too bias. Would have been more accurate if he called it by its real name, champagne socialism.

when he started saying Corbyn is the most "influential man in politics" I thought ah you've lost it a bit here Jonathan.

 

 

[SirBalon]

You've got to give it to Corbyn!  His campaigning has been tremendous and the people understand him.  He seems to have a connection with the public in all areas and comes across as human unlike Theresa May.  I think Corbyn is mental personally and I'm not in that sector of leftism by a long margin...  But I respect him a lot...  He's had to cope with almost all of his party against him and he's gone out into the field and sold himself as a human being that has ethics and his own way of seeing things.  It's been a long time (infact I haven't lived that sort of thing) since politics have been sold in the skin in that manner.  You should all be tipping your hat to the man because he's the most British based product that politics has served since Churchill.

[Fairy In Boots]

 

[Danny]

1 hour ago, Fairy In Boots said:

 

😂 I get that Corbyn has enthused you guys but learn about the first past the post system as a care point.

You need 326 to form a majority, Labour, SNP, Green, Lid Dems can't get to that number so it's either Tory minority rule or Tory/DUP coalition. On the continent elections frequently resulting in hung parliaments and then a coalition is formed. 

But she called the election, she was in power due to the Tories winning the past election and now needs a hung parliament to remain in power. She has failed at winning an election she called for whilst in power. This is very different to a hung parliament under a normal election.

[Honey Honey]

Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems and SNP have all proven to be tone deaf.

Terrible results for all of them.