Smiley Culture 1,651 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Looking at the Arsenal redundancy from a complete neutral point of view, I don’t really get the whole outrage at Arsenal and I will say why. Arsenal had a shop outside Finsbury Park station. Apparently it’s been there years. Recently, they chose to close that store completely. Whether that was down to the pandemic (possible), that sales figures were down over a significantly longer or something like rent being increased if they didn’t own the building, I’m not sure but I would hazard a guess that some of the 55 are made up of these retail employees from that store. They’ll already have staff at their Emirates shop so you can’t just throw them in there at a time when revenue will be completely down due to a lack of home games and probably having to close their online store for a period, like a few clubs I saw and you probably can’t have too many people working in a shop at any given time these days either. What are Arsenal expected to do? Pay these people to not work in a shop that doesn’t exist anymore? It’s not a great situation but it’s the environment we’re in and while it may be questionable morally, it’s the way businesses, some far bigger than Arsenal, operate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger 1,831 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) On 05/08/2020 at 22:33, 6666 said: Unfortunate for them but my position on any organisation sacking employees is that they can and it's normal... You're owned by a billionaire, Arsenal using poverty as some sort of excuse is horrific. Edited August 7, 2020 by The Artful Dodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger 1,831 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said: Looking at the Arsenal redundancy from a complete neutral point of view, I don’t really get the whole outrage at Arsenal and I will say why. Arsenal had a shop outside Finsbury Park station. Apparently it’s been there years. Recently, they chose to close that store completely. Whether that was down to the pandemic (possible), that sales figures were down over a significantly longer or something like rent being increased if they didn’t own the building, I’m not sure but I would hazard a guess that some of the 55 are made up of these retail employees from that store. They’ll already have staff at their Emirates shop so you can’t just throw them in there at a time when revenue will be completely down due to a lack of home games and probably having to close their online store for a period, like a few clubs I saw and you probably can’t have too many people working in a shop at any given time these days either. What are Arsenal expected to do? Pay these people to not work in a shop that doesn’t exist anymore? It’s not a great situation but it’s the environment we’re in and while it may be questionable morally, it’s the way businesses, some far bigger than Arsenal, operate. At times of crisis like these, then yes, people who can amply afford to pay staff should do. If they don't they are then passing on the buck to me and you. This is the whole rotten core of our economic model, it works if those with big money will take some of the strain at times of greatest need, but they won't. They'll pass it on to me and you, further indebting the country. I'd hope to see some sort of outrage from Arsenal supporters and their unions like what Liverpool and Spurs did, they managed to change their club's minds. Edited August 7, 2020 by The Artful Dodger 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Basically the £2m in savings to the wage bill will go straight to the agent of 32 year old Willian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture 1,651 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said: At times of crisis like these, then yes, people who can amply afford to pay staff should do. If they don't they are then passing on the buck to me and you. This is the whole rotten core of our economic model, it works if those with big money will take some of the strain at times of greatest need, but they won't. They'll pass it on to me and you, further indebting the country. I'd hope to see some sort of outrage from Arsenal supporters and their unions like what Liverpool and Spurs did, they managed to change their club's minds. I’m sure Arsenal could pay these staff if they really wanted to but it makes no business sense paying retail employees to not work in a shop that doesn’t exist anymore. 1 minute ago, Harvsky said: Basically the £2m in savings to the wage bill will go straight to the agent of 32 year old Willian. Instead of £2m in wages to a load of staff who aren’t deemed needed any more and £2m to Willian’s agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,191 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, shut up said: Kroenke is worth $8.3bn. He needs to be scalped. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 If it was just about a shop that's closing down for good then why don't they say that instead of saying this is so we can sign Willian like they did in their statement? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 2,276 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Also, as if there are 55 members of staff in one club shop at the absolute most you’d have 20, and that’s if they are loads of part time contracts. Not having that as an excuse for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,389 Posted August 7, 2020 Administrator Share Posted August 7, 2020 Are the scouting changes part of those 55 redundancies? Or were they different and actually 'sacked'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Stan said: Are the scouting changes part of those 55 redundancies? Or were they different and actually 'sacked'? Pretty sure some Arsenal fans will correct me, but I think it is down to a change in policy. Instead of a scouting network, they are going the 'super agent' route. Kia Joorabchian being at the helm of it for Arsenal. Very, very bad idea imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,389 Posted August 7, 2020 Administrator Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Cicero said: Pretty sure some Arsenal fans will correct me, but I think it is down to a change in policy. Instead of a scouting network, they are going the 'super agent' route. Kia Joorabchian being at the helm of it for Arsenal. Very, very bad idea imo. Oh I see. It was bad enough before, about to get worse if he's there. Absolute cancer in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,310 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 13 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said: You're owned by a billionaire, Arsenal using poverty as some sort of excuse is horrific. Using poverty as an excuse is ridiculous but billionaire or not, you're not obligated to keep people employed just for the sake of keeping them employed. Why they saw no use for the people that have been sacked, I have no idea but for some reason the club decided they weren't that important. It does sound harsh but this is how employment works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaaay AFC 357 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 On 07/08/2020 at 14:58, Cicero said: Pretty sure some Arsenal fans will correct me, but I think it is down to a change in policy. Instead of a scouting network, they are going the 'super agent' route. Kia Joorabchian being at the helm of it for Arsenal. Very, very bad idea imo. Not necessarily true, it has come out our scouting department was massively overstaffed and needed a lot of trimming even before the pandemic. Of course people will point to Kia, but our scouting has been failing for years. The recruitment in general has been abysmal, apart from a select few. Also with how data driven football is now, there just isn't a need for so many scouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaaay AFC 357 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I see he can't help himself. No matter what you think of the situation I just will never understand his stance on wanting to stay? People will point to money and his wages, but I'm 100% certain Arsenal would be willing to make up his wages for the last year at another club. I can only assume he plans on retiring after this season and he doesn't want to move. Obviously its down to him and we gave him the deal so you can't really blame him, but surely he'd want to go somewhere else where he'd actually play? I used to love Ozil as a player and was always a big defender of his, but I honestly can't wait for him to go now. It will be such a progressive day for the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger 1,831 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I know 31 is considered old in football terms, but for his style of play it really isn't. He could have another 3-4 seasons playing at a good level somewhere, just look at Silva going to a decent Italian club. Such a shame really, feels like he's wasted his talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,191 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Chaaay AFC said: I see he can't help himself. No matter what you think of the situation I just will never understand his stance on wanting to stay? People will point to money and his wages, but I'm 100% certain Arsenal would be willing to make up his wages for the last year at another club. I can only assume he plans on retiring after this season and he doesn't want to move. Obviously its down to him and we gave him the deal so you can't really blame him, but surely he'd want to go somewhere else where he'd actually play? I used to love Ozil as a player and was always a big defender of his, but I honestly can't wait for him to go now. It will be such a progressive day for the club. He’s a massive cunt tbh for basically giving up any effort he had towards being an elite football player once he got his massive payday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,191 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 https://www.espn.co.uk/football/soccer-transfers/story/4158763/arsenal-investigate-72m-pepe-transfer-barcelona-start-hunt-for-new-boss lol what exactly do they need to investigate? Just look at the transfer value paid Understandable though that Arsenal have sacked a lot of scouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaaay AFC 357 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Wow very surprised by this, not entirely sure Raul was the right man for us but I do believe he tried to at least make us act like a big club. I have no qualms with him, think he just suits a top end, big money club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King 1,012 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Well the best news happened! Raul Sanllehi has been sacked! I was right all along about this guy, with his dodgy dealing and also what he did at Barca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King 1,012 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Chaaay AFC said: Wow very surprised by this, not entirely sure Raul was the right man for us but I do believe he tried to at least make us act like a big club. I have no qualms with him, think he just suits a top end, big money club. I am not surprised one bit, the transfers he put together were shocking, also with the loan deals, paying huge fees with no clause to buy. Edited August 15, 2020 by SirBalon 69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,191 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Chaaay AFC said: Wow very surprised by this, not entirely sure Raul was the right man for us but I do believe he tried to at least make us act like a big club. I have no qualms with him, think he just suits a top end, big money club. Apparently Arteta hates Sanllehi and blames him for the current state of Arsenal. The manager and director of football need to be singing from the same hymn sheet. So if that’s true, it’s a good thing they’ve sacked Raul Sanllehi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaaay AFC 357 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, SirBalon 69 said: I am not surprised one bit, the transfers he put together were shocking, also with the loan deals, paying huge fees with no clause to buy. Yeah just reading apparently it has a lot to do with the Pepe deal apparently be earned out of it. It probably is best he was moved on. 6 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Apparently Arteta hates Sanllehi and blames him for the current state of Arsenal. The manager and director of football need to be singing from the same hymn sheet. So if that’s true, it’s a good thing they’ve sacked Raul Sanllehi. Yeah to be honest I do think it was best for him to go. Not to mention we're finally getting rid of all of Gazidis' hires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King 1,012 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Chaaay AFC said: Yeah just reading apparently it has a lot to do with the Pepe deal apparently be earned out of it. It probably is best he was moved on. Yeah to be honest I do think it was best for him to go. Not to mention we're finally getting rid of all of Gazidis' hires. He also was the man behind the deal Dembele to Barca for 145 million, it stinks of the same actions. Edited August 15, 2020 by SirBalon 69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,191 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Chaaay AFC said: Yeah to be honest I do think it was best for him to go. Not to mention we're finally getting rid of all of Gazidis' hires. People have given Arsenal shit for sacking people during a pandemic. But tbh some of the changes at Arsenal seem totally reasonable - Arsenal are ditching their more old school scouting approach for a more data driven recruitment method like us and City, for one. And then this guy’s in charge of recruitment which is getting a massive overhaul and considering the money spent compared to the league position... its understandable they’ve sacked this guy (who also doesn’t get on with the new manager) and made an internal replacement. Particularly when they’re restructuring the whole way the club approaches recruitment and scouting. And a lot of these changes have probably been needed for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...Dan 758 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 The guy who broke the Raul news before anyone else on Twitter is saying we should expect at least one Arsenal legend to join the board in the coming weeks. People are guessing David O'Leary and he's liking their tweets. I hope this is true, we need people who love and understand the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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