Dr. Gonzo Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Putin orders troops into Eastern Ukraine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted February 21, 2022 Author Subscriber Share Posted February 21, 2022 26 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Putin orders troops into Eastern Ukraine Or Western Russia, as he seems to claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted February 22, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I think part of the disagreement is that the Russian speaking population are in a small part of Donbass yet the Western media is suggesting Putin will claim the whole region of Donbass. Russian says it will cut off Nordstream pipelines that goes into Germany. German business interests are unhappy yet don't see that changing anything as before they were unhappy with the UK being pushed towards Brexit and were not able to influence their govt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machado Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 23 hours ago, RondónEFC said: There seems to be a Simpsons clip for any situation one can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 You can sense that he was trying his hardest not to pass out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machado Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 https://www.reddit.com/live/18hnzysb1elcs/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...Dan Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 The invasion has sadly begun! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 @Michael you're still in Ukraine? Stay safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Michael Posted February 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Aladdin said: @Michael you're still in Ukraine? Stay safe No, I returned to the UK on the 16th. I am in the UK but I have friends in Ukraine. It's very sad what the tyrant from Moscow is doing. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Read someone who pointed out that Putin has essentially expanded MAD to the point where a nuclear state cannot just threaten nuclear retaliation for any attack on its own territory, but also even for interfering with an invasion of a non-nuclear state. So, while it maybe prevents wars between nuclear powers, it now makes every non-nuclear power fair game, essentially. He’s created an unprecedented amount of ambiguity over where the line is. Its worrying trying to think clearly about what range of actions Russia now counts as being worthy of nuclear escalation - sending troops? Sending air support? Trying to enforce a no-fly zone? Is Putin really willing to be vaporised if he can’t get a bit of extra territory or a friendly government in Kiev? Maybe he has one eye on what happens if he loses power. Maybe winning or losing is life or death in his mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machado Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 In a matter of 2 hours they had missiles dropping in the whole of Ukraine, seem frighteningly organized. Probably prepared months ago. Think Merkel was low ley keeping Putin in check, seemed to be the only one he respected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machado Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, Inverted said: Maybe winning or losing is life or death in his mind. He literally said so in his "war declaration" speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Machado said: He literally said so in his "war declaration" speech. I'm sure his public reasoning is "we don't want NATO missiles 15 minutes from Moscow". But I was also getting at the possibility that if his invasion failed, and the army and people lost confidence in the government, he personally isn't guaranteed a peaceful way out of government. Russia probably could get out of this situation peacefully, but that route isn't necessarily open to Putin personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machado Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, Inverted said: I'm sure his public reasoning is "we don't want NATO missiles 15 minutes from Moscow". But I was also getting at the possibility that if his invasion failed, and the army and people lost confidence in the government, he personally isn't guaranteed a peaceful way out of government. Russia probably could get out of this situation peacefully, but that route isn't necessarily open to Putin personally. Having autonomous zones in Georgia and Moldova seemed to be enough to stop them from ever joining NATO, I don't see why he had to go this far with Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, Machado said: In a matter of 2 hours they had missiles dropping in the whole of Ukraine, seem frighteningly organized. Probably prepared months ago. Think Merkel was low ley keeping Putin in check, seemed to be the only one he respected. Yes, they hit so many cities, as you said, he will have had this all planned a while ago. Very, very sad times indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 43 minutes ago, Inverted said: I'm sure his public reasoning is "we don't want NATO missiles 15 minutes from Moscow". But I was also getting at the possibility that if his invasion failed, and the army and people lost confidence in the government, he personally isn't guaranteed a peaceful way out of government. Russia probably could get out of this situation peacefully, but that route isn't necessarily open to Putin personally. He mentioned that the city of Kharkiv in Ukraine could have missiles hit Moscow in 15 minutes or something, but the fact is that Latvia(a NATO country) is closer to Moscow than Kharkiv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted February 24, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 24, 2022 Very shocking that they're apparently attacking all of the Ukraine. I thought they'd atmost focus on Donetsk and Luhansk. What is the opinion among the Russian population about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Tommy said: Very shocking that they're apparently attacking all of the Ukraine. I thought they'd atmost focus on Donetsk and Luhansk. From the range and scope of the initial missile attacks, I thought at first they were going to make a rush for Kiev along with an all out push from the Kharkov direction. But the lack of word about major combat in the north seems to suggest maybe not. Given the relatively short distances involved I thought more would have happened by now if the Russians really wanted to get into Kiev. Some are suggesting the Russians might be trying to create an impression of threat everywhere as cover for a more limited push in the Donbass. Edited February 24, 2022 by Inverted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Was hoping this remains at a level to meme about but now it's too grim to joke about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 This whole thing is just insanity.... I feel for those innocent people getting caught up in all this.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted February 24, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 24, 2022 Wtf? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Putin would be stupid to keep troops there for long. Some brief build-up until he installs some local proxy government and then withdraws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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