UK Politics & Brexit Discussion

[Kowabunga]

11 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Euroskeptics making emotional arguments rather than substantive policy arguments has been so effective. Look at Nigel Farage, a man who's been elected as an MEP numerous times and he's never once fought for better British representation in the EU, he's used his position to collect a big salary from the EU while continuously trolling the entire European Parliament, essentially just using the position for soundbites as to why the UK should leave the EU. There's always been very little substance behind what he says on Europe and the EU, but he's humourous and charismatic and has managed to sway a lot of people into believing him just through being able to make people laugh and by seeming relateable despite telling lies about the roles of EU regulations and their effect on Britain.

Although I think everyone should view Farage as a hypocritical dipshit based on his views on: tax avoidance (which is okay for him, but not for others apparently) and what he'll do if Brexit is a dismal failure (by his own admission, he'll just fuck off to the US).

Aside from simple cause-effect relations, you could also blame also the "lexit" campaigners. Could you make a case for a left-wing Brexit? It is not the most intuitive "evidence-based policy" I could come up with, so maybe not, but if so.... you surely just don't do it by leaving tory scalpers having the leading voice and just settling for a "when we are out you'll see, how magically we''ll have the power to do X". Any idea of left wing brexit campaign should entail a frontal war of discourse against the default right-wing backslash. But I guess dealing that unlike Greece,  the most dire economic problems for the 99% in the case of the UK (namely wage stagnation) are not particularly related to EU membership, was too much to swallow.

Edited November 30, 2018 by Kowabunga

[Inverted]

10 hours ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Funny how you point that out when criticising economic policy to balance books but have a blind spot when it comes to death caused by economic policies inspired by socialist governments. To quote Thomas Sowell “Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it”

It's not about socialism vs capitalism. It's about the fact that if economic disaster is met with a response based on an anti-state ideology, rather than actual economic sense, then people die. Invariably. 

Austerity isn't about balancing the books, it has no function except to make an ideological point of shrinking the public sphere. It continued despite not only the human cost (because the human cost was not a cost but a bonus in the government's eyes), but even increasingly strong economic argument against it. The IMF itself (those famous socialists) has said that austerity was an entirely useless, if not counterproductive, response to the recession.

Its not socialist to criticise austerity. It's basically mainstream capitalist economics - even the Tories themselves have realised how much austerity has sullied their reputation. 

Edited November 30, 2018 by Inverted

[Dr. Gonzo]

4 hours ago, Kowabunga said:

Aside from simple cause-effect relations, you could also blame also the "lexit" campaigners. Could you make a case for a left-wing Brexit? It is not the most intuitive "evidence-based policy" I could come up with, so maybe not, but if so.... you surely just don't do it by leaving tory scalpers having the leading voice and just settling for a "when we are out you'll see, how magically we''ll have the power to do X". Any idea of left wing brexit campaign should entail a frontal war of discourse against the default right-wing backslash. But I guess dealing that unlike Greece,  the most dire economic problems for the 99% in the case of the UK (namely wage stagnation) are not particularly related to EU membership, was too much to swallow.

Oh yeah, I don’t understand left wing Euroskeptics at all though, but they certainly exist. Jeremy Corbyn for one. But yeah, no idea why they’ve let the right wing Tory brexiters take the lead on how to market Brexit. Not that it matters why, enough of them voted leave.

I think because the referendum was really a vote for the status quo vs mystery option that isn’t really defined, a lot of people voting leave just used their imaginations to determine what Brexit is. 

[SirBalon]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Oh yeah, I don’t understand left wing Euroskeptics at all though, but they certainly exist. Jeremy Corbyn for one. But yeah, no idea why they’ve let the right wing Tory brexiters take the lead on how to market Brexit. Not that it matters why, enough of them voted leave.

I think because the referendum was really a vote for the status quo vs mystery option that isn’t really defined, a lot of people voting leave just used their imaginations to determine what Brexit is. 

There’s a specific reason as to why people like Boris and Davies were given powerful appointments being Brexiteers (Although Boris Johnson isn’t a leaver, he’s an opportunist looking out for his career and I proved that in an earlier post last week with proof)...

I won’t go into the reasons as to why Theresa May took them into her cabinet with powerful positions and I’ll explain all when I answer Fairyinboots. I need time for that post I will be making but it will again contain facts and realities, not the beliefs and fantasy some sadly continue to have. 

[Inverted]

28 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Oh yeah, I don’t understand left wing Euroskeptics at all though, but they certainly exist. Jeremy Corbyn for one. But yeah, no idea why they’ve let the right wing Tory brexiters take the lead on how to market Brexit. Not that it matters why, enough of them voted leave.

I think because the referendum was really a vote for the status quo vs mystery option that isn’t really defined, a lot of people voting leave just used their imaginations to determine what Brexit is. 

I understand the theory behind a left-wing Brexit. The EU is a fundamentally market-liberal, capitalist institution. Its rules on competition and state aid are explcitly meant to mould member states into liberalised market economies. Its budget deficit limits (when they can be bothered to apply them) are potential hindrances to a stimulus-focused budget approach.

But theory is a lot different from reality. To me, being left wing means believing in sheltering the vulnerable and fighting for the greatest collective benefit. There is no scenario, even the most left-wing favourable one, where I see Brexit doing those things.

It's better to seek to remould the EU in a less rigidly pro-market direction, than to go off as a lone wolf socialist state.

[The Artful Dodger]

My sole reason for voting Remain was the cultural reasons, I think Britain will suffer greatly culturally from a breaking of the ties with the European Union. I know the EU is not Europe but it feels like that's how many people see it, I love Europe, European history and culture and Britain's place among that history and culture. I worry about cultural trends across the world at the moment, but in some ways I think it's just too late now, this country is so badly educated now that we have barely any people worth speaking to.

[The Artful Dodger]

13 hours ago, Fairy In Boots said:

 

You’re right about politicians being thick and the whole system is the problem in reality, they go to school/ then uni / then politics and never develop and real life skills or principles. They often then just pursue power, I often think the thick of it although satire was pretty much bang on. 

Also im a big fan of Peter hitchins, I was a huge fan of his Brother RIP a man that like me would chew anybody’s arse out who defended Islam, they see the danger heading down the track with giving ground to it. 

If my posts don’t do justice to them, oh well I’m a cunt on a obscure football forum, tapping away a sentence at a time 5mins here & there while supervising toddlers and working two jobs and choosing to continually argue with the same 5-6 people who’ve already made their minds up about me and my opinions in a 5 on 1 topic.

Frankly your lucky it’s coherent I’ve often forgotten what I’ve written in the paragraph before because it’s spread over several hours. I’ve been on this reply since 2pm

Hitchens is brilliant, I disagree with him about a fair bit but it's nice to hear an eloquent witty and forthright voice amidst the general drudgery.

[Inverted]

I agree with basically nothing Peter Hitchens says, but unlike 90% of Conservative writers, he at least has the decency to be moderately interesting.

He's also not a desperate money-grabber or self-promoter, which earns him extra respect. 

[The Artful Dodger]

Pandemonium at the moment.

[RandoEFC+]

Didn't see all of this coming.

Well I did, along with 48% of the country but  .

[SirBalon]

9 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

Didn't see all of this coming.

Well I did, along with 48% of the country but  .

I know a number of people that really do know the facts on all of this that when the Referendum occurred didn’t have a clue. I think the majority of the UK including the majority of politicians didn’t know the ins and outs with all of the pitfalls and most importantly, the fact people had been misled by certain media portals (we know who they are) for decades with lies and false news.

This is the result. 

[...Dan]

I saw this on twitter recently, a list of all the lies we've been fed to paint the EU as some kind of bogeyman.

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/

Edited December 4, 2018 by ...Dan

[SirBalon]

On 16 November 2018 at 00:34, SirBalon said:

These are 20 years worth of newspaper headlines drawn up on the front pages of Britain's newspapers.  A blogger called Tom Pride done the hard work of drawing them up and here we see just a decent proportion of the lies and myths fed to many innocent people everyday and in some cases fed to people that just need an enemy to exist.

I've copied and pasted from his blog...

I have to say that most of the headlines are hilarious and it beggars belief how anyone could even begin to believe them.  

 

Just a a few words from myself before I paste the headlines...

All this out there for so long trying to persuade us that somehow the Europeans, the EU were and are our enemies.  It's sad really because away from the conditioning or just the blatant search for a method to sell more newspapers, this is in actual fact a failure of journalism, a failure of British journalism in this case (not saying journalism isn't bad elsewhere, but this is serious). I'd like to believe that the reason behind the front pages for all of two decades wasn't some evil form of conditioning for any particular reason much less a possible referendum 18 years later... I doubt there are real soothsayers in Fleet Street... Just a method to sell newspapers because unfortunately there is a fair share of the populous on this island that want to believe these things and pay to consume those lies.

But then you have someone like Boris Johnson, a politician, a man that has been part of the cabinet of the UK's government, a mayor of one of the most important cities on the planet and with the responsibility given to him by the people of this country to at least not lie, be honest and offer the best for the country... You have this disgusting excuse for a man (I still have reservations on whether or not he is in actual fact of the same species as me) also acting part time as a journalist, having the opportunity to write his columns on one of Britain's most established newspapers.

Read this next bit, it's important because here is a man that resigned from his job leaving his Prime Minister in limbo and undermining her best efforts to provide an impossible task...

In the middle of June 2016 this man wrote TWO COLUMNS (not one, but two) for that particular day's edition.  One column for why he was going for remain and one why he was going to opt for the leave the EU option. Then he sat there thinking "What's best for my career?" And he decided to tell everyone why he would and we should all vote to leave.

This is the type of deceptive man he is and he isn't alone in that party (we can all muster the names).  He has spent 30 years using these same methods to rise within politics and within his party.  This type of conjuring trick, this deception and this deceit... With this he's seen himself grow fat on it (there not speaking about his obvious repulsive physical appearance and I'm not talking size)... While we the people were being denied knowledge and understanding on all these important issues.  A personal gain for a selfish self serving individual.

This is why we've ended up in such a mess and with this final statement I'm not just placing the blame at the feet of such a ridiculous individual because our politics have been full of them and we can all cite lies and falsehoods from both sides of the spectrum in British politics over the years in all different spheres and terrible decisions.

Here I leave you the method in which conditioning is sort via the all powerful media... Over to Tom Pride's hard work publishing other's curious and questionable work revolving lies.

 

Forget about Russian meddling or US companies pushing fake and ‘dark’ news on the internet to influence the Brexit vote.

Fake news to influence the UK public to vote for Brexit has mostly come from our very own so-called professional journalists right here in the UK.

Here’s a list of fake news by the UK press over the last 20 years. Every single story here has been debunked as fake news.

It’s hard to pick just one but my personal favourites are ‘Euronotes cause impotence‘ by the Daily Mail and ‘EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts‘ from the always entertaining Daily Express.

Read through the list and vote for your own ‘favourite’ in the comments section below – the most popular will win a ‘prize’for ‘Most Ridiculous EU Fake News’.

Enjoy (or maybe despair):

EC regulations to ban playgrounds – Daily Express
Rolling acres outlawed by Brussels – The Telegraph
EU to scrap British exams – Sunday Express
Obscure EU law halting the sale of English oak seeds – Mail on Sunday
EU may try to ban sweet and toy ads – The Times
EU to tell British farmers what they can grow – Daily Mail
EU ‘Bans Boozing’ – Daily Star
Light ale to be forced to change its name by Eurocrats – Daily Mail
EU fanatics to be forced to sing dire anthem about EU ‘Motherland’ – The Sun
British apple trees facing chop by EU – The Times
EC plan to ban noisy toys – Sunday People
EU to ban bagpipes and trapeze artists – The Sun
Children to be banned from blowing up balloons, under EU safety rules – Daily Telegraph
Straight cucumbers – The Sun
Curved bananas banned by Brussels bureaucrats – The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express
Brussels bans barmaids from showing cleavage – The Sun, Daily Telegraph
Rumpole’s wig to scrapped by EU – Mail on Sunday
Church bells silenced by fear of EU law – Daily Telegraph
Motorists to be charged to drive in city centres under EU plans – Daily Telegraph
EU to stop binge drinking by slapping extra tax on our booze – The Sun
Brandy butter to be renamed ‘brandy spreadable fat’ – The European
British loaf of bread under threat from EU – Daily Mail
Truckers face EU ban on fry-ups – The Sun
EU to ban Union Flag from British meat packs – Daily Express
EU seeks to outlaw 60 dog breeds – Europa News Agency
Double-decker buses to be banned – Daily Telegraph
EU bans eating competition cakes – Timesonline
Now EU officials want control of your CANDLES – Daily Express
21-gun salutes are just too loud, Brussels tells the Royal Artillery – Mail on Sunday
Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales – Daily Mail
Plot to axe British number plates for standardised EU design – Daily Express
Women to be asked intimate details about sex lives in planned EU census – Daily Express
British cheese faces extinction under EU rules – PA News
EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds – The Sun, The Telegraph
British chocolate to be renamed ‘vegelate’ under EU rules – Daily Mail
EU to ban church bells – Daily Telegraph
British film producers warn of new EU threat to industry – The Independent
Kilts to be branded womenswear by EU – Daily Record
EU to ban double decker buses – Daily Mail
Cod to be renamed ‘Gadus’ thanks to EU – Daily Mail
Brussels to restrict drinking habits of Britain’s coffee lovers – Daily Express
EU responsible for your hay fever – Daily Mail, The Times
Condom dimensions to be harmonised – Independent on Sunday
EU wants to BAN your photos of the London Eye – Daily Express
Corgis to be banned by EU – Daily Mail
EU forcing cows to wear nappies – Daily Mail
Eurocrats to ban crayons and colouring pencils – The Sun
Smoky bacon crisps face EU ban – Sunday Times
EU outlaws teeth whitening products – Daily Mail
Domain names – ‘.uk’ to be replaced by ‘.eu’ – Daily Mail
Brussels to ban HGV drivers from wearing glasses – The Times
New eggs cannot be called eggs – Daily Mail
EU to ban selling eggs by the dozen – Daily Mail
UK to be forced to adopt continental two pin plug – Daily Star, Daily Mail
EU targets traditional Sunday roast – Sun on Sunday
English Channel to be re-named ‘Anglo-French Pond’ – Daily Mail
Brussels to force EU flag on England shirts – Daily Mail
EU orders farmers to give toys to pigs – The Times
Firemen’s poles outlawed by EU – Daily Mail
Euro ban on food waste means swans cannot be fed – The Observer
Noise regulations to force football goers to wear earplugs – The Sun
Traditional Irish funeral under threat from EU – Daily Telegraph, The Times
EU to ban high-heel shoes for hairdressers – Daily Express
Commission to force fishermen to wear hairnets – Daily Telegraph
Brussels to ban herbal cures – Daily Express
Bureaucrats declare Britain is “not an island”– the Guardian
EU bid to ban life sentences for murderers – Daily Express
New EU map makes Kent part of France – Sunday Telegraph
EU tells Welsh how to grow their leeks – The Times
EU to ban lollipop ladies’ sticks – News of the World
EU plot to rename Trafalgar Square & Waterloo station – Daily Express
UK milk ‘pinta’ threatened by Brussels – The Sun
EU bans ‘mince’ pies – Daily Mail
Eurocrats say Santa must be a woman – The Sun
Now EU crackpots demand gypsy MPs – Daily Express
Brussels to outlaw mushy peas – The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times
Brussels says shellfish must be given rest breaks on journeys – The Times
Pets must be pressure cooked after death – Sunday Telegraph
EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts – Daily Express
2-for-1 bargains to be scrapped by EU – Daily Mirror
EU madness: chat up bar girl and pub will be fined – Daily Star
Queen to be forced to get her own tea by EU – The Sun
EU tells women to hand in worn-out sex toys – The Sun
British rhubarb to be straight – The Sun
EU to ban rocking horses – The Sun
Scotch whisky rebranded a dangerous chemical by EU – Daily Telegraph
Brussels ban on pints of shandy – The Times
“High up” signs to be put on mountains – BBC
Euronotes cause impotence – Daily Mail
EU to ban under 16-year-olds from using Facebook – Daily Mail
Strawberries must be oval – The Sun
EU orders swings to be pulled down – Daily Express
Tea bags banned from being recycled – BBC
British lav to be replaced with Euro-loo – The Sun
Unwanted Valentine’s cards to be defined as sexual harrasment – Daily Telegraph
Bosses to be told what colour carpets to buy by EU – Daily Star
EU says British yoghurt to be renamed ‘Fermented Milk Pudding’ – Sunday Mirror
EU to ban zipper trousers – The Sun

 

1 hour ago, ...Dan said:

I saw this on twitter recently, a list of all the lies we've been fed to paint the EU as some kind of bogeyman.

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/

I posted it in mid-November mate...

Its how the media have manipulated people for over 25 years with total and absolute lies as one can see with the newspaper headlines.  An agenda, a form of conditioning which worked.

The curious thing is that not one of those headlines has anything on immigration which would take up too much bandwidth for this thread to cope with.

Many will exclaim they haven't been manipulated by all of that and more, but common sense will tell us they have.

[Machado]

Anti-abortion, pro-god, pro-death penalty, anti-gay marriage, pro-drug prohibition, flag lover Peter Hitchens basically says the EU is Germany on steroids. I wouldn't look up to him for anything.

[The Artful Dodger]

On 05/12/2018 at 01:32, Machado said:

Anti-abortion, pro-god, pro-death penalty, anti-gay marriage, pro-drug prohibition, flag lover Peter Hitchens basically says the EU is Germany on steroids. I wouldn't look up to him for anything.

Being a bit unfair there. I disagree with nearly all his positions you mention there but he's not a brainless xenophobe. His comments about the EU aren't motivated by a dislike of Germany but just common sense, Germany is simply the most powerful European country and will ultimately play the biggest role in the economics of it. The EU is a far better way of managing this that it's previous military forms. Speaking this fact infuriates some little Englanders who see Britain as a still powerful nation and frame everything through the World War prism, but ultimately it's not necessarily a bad thing and doesn't bother me particularly.

Edited December 6, 2018 by The Artful Dodger

[SirBalon]

The 'Brexit Betrayal' rally shows the Far-Right is ready to pounce

 

Intent on fomenting hatred, supporters of ‘Tommy Robinson’ and Ukip are using Brexit uncertainty to advance their cause

It’s been a busy week for Ukip. Once credited with a leading role in driving Brexit, it now appears to be hurtling to the far right under their Muslim-obsessed leader, Gerard Batten. Their latest leader has formed a close alliance with the convicted criminal and Islamophobic extremist Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson). Together they’re set to go on yet another expensive outing on London’s streets this weekend, this time branded as part of a “Brexit betrayal” rally.

Batten has cosied up to a range of overtly extreme groups and figures. These include Yaxley-Lennon, whose material was listed as an influence on Finsbury Park attacker Darren Osborne, as well as the near-bankrupt far-right agitator Milo Yiannopoulos, and several other extreme online figures. Members of the hooligan-led street movement, the Democratic Football Lads Alliance (DFLA), are now allied with Ukip too.

Batten has brought the worst tendencies within his party to the fore. It has always had an overt anti-immigrant prejudice, notably under the leadership of Nigel Farage. Numerous elected officials and candidates have been caught out making extreme comments over the years. Those might now seem mild compared to the rantings of its current leader about Muslims and “rape gangs” at a time of rising anti-Muslim hate crimes, but Ukip has always flirted with such bigotry.

Batten and Yaxley-Lennon are seeking to take Ukip even further to the right. Professional agitating about “betrayal” is now big business, of course. There is a real danger of the far right – which now includes Ukip – attempting to weaponise Brexit to bring in new support to this racist agenda. It’s unlikely Batten will advertise the serious political and financial backing that has come to support his new “special personal adviser on rape gangs and prison conditions and prison reform”. Yaxley-Lennon is estimated to have made over £2m in donations this summer, and stood to rake in another £1m during an aborted US tour.

Yaxley-Lennon now links through to a network that includes Steve Bannon (who is struggling to get his anti-EU “movement” off the ground), the seven Republican members of congress who invited him to his US speaking tour last month, and the dollars that have been flowing in from the former English Defence League leader’s legal backers, Daniel Pipes’ Middle East Forum in the US and far-right alternative media outfit Rebel Media, run by Ezra Levant, in Canada.

In the run-up to this demonstration, Farage quit the party that he, with Batten, helped to found – ironically over the extreme path he himself set them on. He said: “The very idea of Tommy Robinson being at the centre of the Brexit debate is too awful to contemplate.” Well, quite. But the gall of the man in walking away from the beast he helped create is staggering. After all, it was Farage who fronted the hugely offensive “Breaking Point” poster campaign during the EU referendum; who backed the anti-Muslim Alternative for Germany (AfD) party; and who showed open support for Front National leader Marine le Pen in the French presidential elections. Not to mention he employed then-Breitbart London editor Raheem Kassam as his close adviser.

Given the violence that erupted at Free Tommy demonstrations this summer, it’s hard to rule out the possibility of anger erupting again among Yaxley-Lennon’s supporters. After all, he spent four years dragging his English Defence League thugs around our towns and cities, costing UK taxpayers in excess of £10m in policing costs.

At an earlier Day for Freedom demo in May – involving Yaxley-Lennon, Kassam, Batten, the DFLA and others – speaker after speaker decried their apparent lack of free speech, while preaching from a stage equipped with video screens and marching through the political heart of the UK: bizarre, but another example of how the far right weaponises such debates. That event also descended into violence. Despite all this, Yaxley-Lennon’s well-funded backers in the US later flew in Arizona congressman Paul Gosar to speak at a Free Tommy event in July, while Donald Trump’s ambassador for religious freedom lobbied the UK ambassador in Washington over Yaxley-Lennon’s imprisonment on contempt of court charges.

Suzanne Evans, the party’s former deputy chair, called Yaxley-Lennon’s appointment by Batten, “a ludicrous and crazy thing to do … and yet he [Batten] doesn’t seem to care; he has no mandate from the members to do this. I think it is very dangerous” She added that there were now many reports of hardline Tommy Robinson supporters turning up at Ukip meetings, obsessed primarily with Islam.

Batten may have saved Ukip from impending bankruptcy, after its disastrous merry-go-round of leaders post-Farage, but polling puts the party down at around 4-6% support at the moment. But with the influx of hard-right supporters and money, you have a febrile mix which the Brexit tinderbox makes ripe for exploitation.

[Fairy In Boots]

On 07/12/2018 at 15:45, SirBalon said:

The 'Brexit Betrayal' rally shows the Far-Right is ready to pounce

 

Intent on fomenting hatred, supporters of ‘Tommy Robinson’ and Ukip are using Brexit uncertainty to advance their cause

It’s been a busy week for Ukip. Once credited with a leading role in driving Brexit, it now appears to be hurtling to the far right under their Muslim-obsessed leader, Gerard Batten. Their latest leader has formed a close alliance with the convicted criminal and Islamophobic extremist Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson). Together they’re set to go on yet another expensive outing on London’s streets this weekend, this time branded as part of a “Brexit betrayal” rally.

Batten has cosied up to a range of overtly extreme groups and figures. These include Yaxley-Lennon, whose material was listed as an influence on Finsbury Park attacker Darren Osborne, as well as the near-bankrupt far-right agitator Milo Yiannopoulos, and several other extreme online figures. Members of the hooligan-led street movement, the Democratic Football Lads Alliance (DFLA), are now allied with Ukip too.

Batten has brought the worst tendencies within his party to the fore. It has always had an overt anti-immigrant prejudice, notably under the leadership of Nigel Farage. Numerous elected officials and candidates have been caught out making extreme comments over the years. Those might now seem mild compared to the rantings of its current leader about Muslims and “rape gangs” at a time of rising anti-Muslim hate crimes, but Ukip has always flirted with such bigotry.

Batten and Yaxley-Lennon are seeking to take Ukip even further to the right. Professional agitating about “betrayal” is now big business, of course. There is a real danger of the far right – which now includes Ukip – attempting to weaponise Brexit to bring in new support to this racist agenda. It’s unlikely Batten will advertise the serious political and financial backing that has come to support his new “special personal adviser on rape gangs and prison conditions and prison reform”. Yaxley-Lennon is estimated to have made over £2m in donations this summer, and stood to rake in another £1m during an aborted US tour.

Yaxley-Lennon now links through to a network that includes Steve Bannon (who is struggling to get his anti-EU “movement” off the ground), the seven Republican members of congress who invited him to his US speaking tour last month, and the dollars that have been flowing in from the former English Defence League leader’s legal backers, Daniel Pipes’ Middle East Forum in the US and far-right alternative media outfit Rebel Media, run by Ezra Levant, in Canada.

In the run-up to this demonstration, Farage quit the party that he, with Batten, helped to found – ironically over the extreme path he himself set them on. He said: “The very idea of Tommy Robinson being at the centre of the Brexit debate is too awful to contemplate.” Well, quite. But the gall of the man in walking away from the beast he helped create is staggering. After all, it was Farage who fronted the hugely offensive “Breaking Point” poster campaign during the EU referendum; who backed the anti-Muslim Alternative for Germany (AfD) party; and who showed open support for Front National leader Marine le Pen in the French presidential elections. Not to mention he employed then-Breitbart London editor Raheem Kassam as his close adviser.

Given the violence that erupted at Free Tommy demonstrations this summer, it’s hard to rule out the possibility of anger erupting again among Yaxley-Lennon’s supporters. After all, he spent four years dragging his English Defence League thugs around our towns and cities, costing UK taxpayers in excess of £10m in policing costs.

At an earlier Day for Freedom demo in May – involving Yaxley-Lennon, Kassam, Batten, the DFLA and others – speaker after speaker decried their apparent lack of free speech, while preaching from a stage equipped with video screens and marching through the political heart of the UK: bizarre, but another example of how the far right weaponises such debates. That event also descended into violence. Despite all this, Yaxley-Lennon’s well-funded backers in the US later flew in Arizona congressman Paul Gosar to speak at a Free Tommy event in July, while Donald Trump’s ambassador for religious freedom lobbied the UK ambassador in Washington over Yaxley-Lennon’s imprisonment on contempt of court charges.

Suzanne Evans, the party’s former deputy chair, called Yaxley-Lennon’s appointment by Batten, “a ludicrous and crazy thing to do … and yet he [Batten] doesn’t seem to care; he has no mandate from the members to do this. I think it is very dangerous” She added that there were now many reports of hardline Tommy Robinson supporters turning up at Ukip meetings, obsessed primarily with Islam.

Batten may have saved Ukip from impending bankruptcy, after its disastrous merry-go-round of leaders post-Farage, but polling puts the party down at around 4-6% support at the moment. But with the influx of hard-right supporters and money, you have a febrile mix which the Brexit tinderbox makes ripe for exploitation.

Narrative being spun here in which in the aftermath of it not going May’s way the media and establishment will double down on it being a “lurch to the right”. 

Bluntly people don’t have faith in the establishment or media anymore, on this they’re going with their gut feeling. 

I was talking to an old boy, voted leave an old engineer who felt we’d had a bad deal in general. Wanted a deal not no deal, thinks a no deal is bad. 

Has said the last 2 weeks acting and scaring stories has convinced him more than ever May’s deal is awful (which it is) and “yeah there maybe pain, but I’d take a no deal to be free of them now, I don’t like the way they do their business”. 

Heard similar complaints 2-3 times, my sister a die hard corbynista remainer said she doesn’t want a second ref, she’s rather leave now as she doesn’t like the way this has all been handled and is more concerned with the establishment trying to wriggle out of a democratic decision. 

The bias is there for all to see, it’s been project fear 2.0 for 2-3 weeks now and people can see through it, even those sympathetic to remain are starting to question the motives behind it and move away from it. 

Remain wont learn though they think you can bully the electorate into them subverting a democratic mandate, in fact it has the opposite effect. Check the polling. 

Looking forward to Mogg destroying some silly bitches tomorrow night. Fuck the EU 

[Fairy In Boots]

Also worth pointing out that the tanks putting down riots in France have EU flags on them, the Lisbon treaty allows for other states to “lend support” to governments when required. In this case suppressing the populace unhappy at a bull shit law. Orwellian suppression of the people, smart stuff from the EU. 

Macron going will hopefully be a torpedo to the whole cunting mess

[Stan]

 

https://www.facebook.com/WeWantsIt/videos/338850266702681

[Inverted]

A case brought by Scottish MSPs has finally got the result in Strasbourg that the UK can revoke Article 50 and go back to our previous legal position without consent of the rest of the EU.

If Brexit does end up getting cancelled then Scotland should instantly be promoted to leader nation out of recognition of our single-handedly saving the union.

[SirBalon]

2 minutes ago, Inverted said:

A case brought by Scottish MSPs has finally got the result in Strasbourg that the UK can revoke Article 50 and go back to our previous legal position without consent of the rest of the EU.

If Brexit does end up getting cancelled then Scotland should instantly be promoted to leader nation out of recognition of our single-handedly saving the union.

It's looking more likely for the first time.

But The Sun and a few other rags aren't helping the matter by promoting civil unrest and possible violence from those that can't be helped with facts.

[Inverted]

2 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

It's looking more likely for the first time.

But The Sun and a few other rags aren't helping the matter by promoting civil unrest and possible violence from those that can't be helped with facts.

If Brexit was ended then, judging by their conduct recently, the right-wing would spend 2 years trying to organise a riot before giving up.

[Stan]

4 minutes ago, Inverted said:

If Brexit was ended then, judging by their conduct recently, the right-wing would spend 2 years trying to organise a riot before giving up.

My fear is, despite this news about us being able to revoke Article 50, that Brexiteers will ask for a further 2-year transition period. And what we've seen in the last 2 years will end up continuing. Which isn't good for any one, whether you want to Leave or Remain. It just leaves us in further transition and limbo. 

Two years ago, no-one really knew what they were voting for. A blanket, broad Leave option didn't really give much detail as to what was going to happen. 

Two years on from then, people know what's happening and are (hopefully) more educated about matters these days. And more importantly they're more aware of who's leading us down shit creek without a paddle.

So it begs the next question of now that we know where we are, where we stand and what could happen should we leave/remain, is it not best to ask the question again of Leave/Remain with people having more of an insight in to what they're voting for?!

[The Artful Dodger]

17 minutes ago, Inverted said:

A case brought by Scottish MSPs has finally got the result in Strasbourg that the UK can revoke Article 50 and go back to our previous legal position without consent of the rest of the EU.

If Brexit does end up getting cancelled then Scotland should instantly be promoted to leader nation out of recognition of our single-handedly saving the union.

As much as I feel cancelling Brexit would be in our economic best interests, I'm not sure how parliament can do that without seeing a civil society breakdown and there being serious unrest. They would need at least some sort of electoral mandate to do it, this is what happens when you have referendums, there is a crisis in legitimacy now and parliament has surrendered some of the basic principles of British democracy which cannot be recovered.

[God is Haaland]

31 minutes ago, Inverted said:

A case brought by Scottish MSPs has finally got the result in Strasbourg that the UK can revoke Article 50 and go back to our previous legal position without consent of the rest of the EU.

If Brexit does end up getting cancelled then Scotland should instantly be promoted to leader nation out of recognition of our single-handedly saving the union.

But Maybot needs to ask parliament to give her permission to take back her letter just like when she asked parliament to give her permission to trigger article 50, doesn't she?

How are the chances for her to get permission? On one hand most parliamentarians know Brexit is a really bad idea, but on the other hand they have political ambitions, too.