bozziovai Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Devon Von Devon said: Yea but he's finished this is the time when we'll appreciate more the era of Ronaldo and Messi. who can take up their mantle ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Poor from Ronaldo making comments about his future on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roversgirl Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 No need for the abuse/death threats but the mistakes made by Karius simply had no place for that level of competition. He is no where near good enough. Liverpool have not had the standard of goalkeeper required for the top level for a while now and it must be a priority this summer along with a better quality centre back to partner Van Dijk. Not seen mistakes that bad in a long time and certainly not at that level of football. Sadly, he will be forever known now for that match. I feel sorry for the Liverpool fans who will have spent life savings or be in debt/spend months if not years paying off the money it cost them to get to the final - Karius will have earned what they paid for the trip in a couple of days in wages. Mane tried his best to compensate for Salah going off injured, but in all honesty their midfield lacked the creativity and quality needed to win a Champions League final. Pleased for Bale and he took the limelight away from Ronaldo completely who had a pretty quiet game by his standards hence why I think he made those comments post match about his future so the headlines were also about him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Apart from the mistakes it was a equal game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 The errors made by Karius can never appear at this level of football... But then again Liverpool fans (all of them) must know that they've had some really crap goalkeepers for a number of years now. It isn't the first time debate has reared it's head on some terrible goalkeeping occurring with their keepers. But from there to the abuse he's been receiving is a whole different story... It shows the level of retardedness within the human race and the fact they can't dissociate a game from real life's issues. People take things too seriously and fail to be able to switch off once it's all over! Some people will even go so far as to call this passion when in reality it's just a lack of intelligence at basic levels. Someone somewhere is culpable for maintaining such terrible goalkeepers at Liverpool... Thinking coldly, that's where the questions should be aimed at because passing the ball to a striker in the opposite coloured strip to the one your own team are wearing, right in front of you in a Champions League Final is absolutely thick... That's not an error when it occurs in the second half of a game you should've already bedded yourself into. It's just a show of not being at the level required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreeluke Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 6 hours ago, ASF said: Historic team. Truly incredible achievement Real accomplished last night. The best Barcelona in history, that had Ronaldinho, Messi, Iniesta, Puyol, managed to win 4 European Cups in 10 years. This team did it in half that time. Had Barcelona done what Real just did, you'd never hear the end of it. And still, I see people are trying to belittle this achievement. Take a day off. Zidane, what a legend. 3 Champions League in 2 and a half years. He could retire from management and be considered one of the best of all time. As for Ronaldo, poor timing to go on and say what he did, just after they made history. He's 33, so he should know better by now. Still, he'll always be remembered as the main player of this side. Obviously, he doesn't play alone, but much of what they accomplished in the last 9 years is his 'fault'. I know the majority won't agree, but this is the best team I've seen in my lifetime. To the Liverpool lads, chin up. It was a terrific ride for you and, if you can keep most players and add 3-4 quality ones, you can easily be there or thereabouts next season. Congrats to the Real boys. Enjoy the win. I feel like yesterday was the swan song of this legendary side. Very good post mate and welcome back, good to see you back posting. I don't agree with them being the best team I've seen in my lifetime but apart from that, everything spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said: Poor from Ronaldo making comments about his future on the pitch. So did Bale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Sometimes we can take things out of context. I don’t want to belittle Real Madrid’s amazing achievement of winning 3 Champions Leagues in a row at all. Infact their achievement is even more amazing this season seeing as they’ve been very average indeed... It’s the talk of “Legendary” coupled with “The best in a lifetime”. Sorry but that is ridiculous and far fetched. Let me defend myself by stating that I’ve always said that at European club level it’s the Champions League (European Cup) that is the maximum trophy a club can win and from that point is where I agree that Real Madrid’s achievement is incredible. But football doesn’t start and finish with the Champions League. There are these things in football called seasons and within seasons you are involved in many things including the most important of all which is your national championship, called the league. Then you have your national cup (in England’s case two of those but lets forget that League Cup nonsense) which is also there to compete in. Well in this season’s case Real Madrid almost got knocked out by a third division side (Fuenlabrada) but just about made it through to then get knocked out by the other mighty club in Madrid called Leganés... We can forgive them for that one because Real didn’t get the easiest of ties in that one and let’s be honest... The national cup isn’t the biggest priority for clubs of the stature of Real Madrid. Then we have the slightly bigger issue of the league... Real Madrid were defending champions this season after having won their second La Liga title in 10 years... I mean, I could be being harsh and I know league titles where you have to compete for 38 games instead of 13 in a cup competition isn’t the easiest of things to achieve, but I would say that at least a mere question mark could be given as permission to debate status? But maybe I’m being biassed there because of sympathies to another set of colours. But imagine I didn’t have those sympathies! Would that add an extra bunch of kilos of weight to my argument? The defending champions in 38 games this season ended up 17 points behind the eventual champions and in third place behind Atlético Madrid who won... What was it? Yes, the Europa League (not at all belittling Atleti’s achievement because everyone here knows I appreciate that tournament too) because Atlético Madrid were knocked out of the Champions League this season in the group stage. I wrote that last bit but I don’t want to add the weight of value it should have and I’ll leave that bit to each individual to make a valid and fair analytical decision on. Finally my own long post is coming to its conclusion with another point of view for those that have been brave enough to read through it... Legendary status can sometimes or infact most times be shared by various and it doesn’t have to be exclusive to one. I say that because we have the disection to overview what infact the best could actually mean (lets forget lifetimes because there’s a before and after in everything and we have the possibility to inform ourselves) and it’s connotations in relation to the most important thing in all walks of life which is the whole thing the global picture when being cold and coming to a decision. Barcelona have the appreciation of football fans in recent history not just because of what they’ve won but ALSO because of the brand of football they played during that period (for a large percentage of that period, not all). Add to that, the fact that although their Champions League victories have been achieved over a longer spell compared to Real Madrid, allow me to say that this can be superseded by the fact that this particular period has also included 2 trebles which means winning the league, the national cup and of course, the Champions League. Yes... I’ve come to the conclusion with my own personal writing on this particular post that I could also add the valued argument that Barcelona are legendary and that I raise you your hand and state that the greatest team this lifetime may have seen is FC Barcelona. A footnote of sorts at the end of it all just to add more weight to winning league titles... Manchester United and none other than Sir Alex Ferguson together made legendary status in over 20 years working in unison mainly for winning the English league title because within that very long period there were only 2 Champions Leagues to Real Madrid’s countless in that time. I say this because we could infact credibly be debating an unknown Man Utd fan coming on here (this part is obviously hypothetical) and stating that Fergie’s period is as valuable and important as this Real Madrid side. I repeat... I’m no mug, I value and respect Real Madrid’s achievement tremendously over these past few years, and I’m not trying to devalue it in the slightest. It’s just that... Context is always more important than conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted May 27, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted May 27, 2018 I think it's clear to see that as an actual footballing side this Madrid team is far from the upper echelons of greatness. What is special about them is the ability to just find a way to win in the Champions League for three consecutive seasons. That's about as far as it goes but it's still a massive deal. Winning one Champions League you can do with a decent team and a bit of luck with the draw and ties that could go either way falling in your favour. Winning back to back titles shows real mettle, you need more than a bit of ability and luck to get through 8 knockout ties in two years against the elite of Europe. Make that three consecutive years, 12 knockout ties and only this year they had to go through the runaway champions of the 3rd, 4th and 5th best leagues in Europe to get to the final. The greatness isn't in their footballing ability, it's about them just "knowing" that they're going to win and that attitude and aura getting 50% of the job done by being in their opponents heads before it even kicks off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 You are only a great side if you win your league as well. Embarrassing that their 2 league titles in 9 years goes completely unnoticed by the pundits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Panna King Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Cicero said: You are only a great side if you win your league as well. Embarrassing that their 2 league titles in 9 years goes completely unnoticed by the pundits. Real Madrid are a global side so winning the Champions League is all they are about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Blue Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Overall if there wasn't individual mistakes think it would be a tight game. Liverpool did well but Karius had a nightmare, and i would also say which will probably be a very unpopular opinion that Ramos couldn't calculate that injury at all. Also it was a shame that for Salah who had a amazing season, to finish the UCL final in under 30 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Death threats to Karius. Good Lord. Who do these people think they are? Do they think Liverpool, a team that finished fourth and haven't won The Premier League since it's creation, have a right to be beating Madrid and winning The Champions League because of a night that happened thirteen years ago? I really feel for the bloke. He will never have a worse night in his life, and it could be a career killer when you consider how reliant Goalkeepers are on confidence. None of this will ever help. Football really does bring out the worst in some football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted May 28, 2018 Author Administrator Share Posted May 28, 2018 Bale's like 'whatever you can do, I can do better' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted May 28, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted May 28, 2018 9 hours ago, Cicero said: You are only a great side if you win your league as well. Embarrassing that their 2 league titles in 9 years goes completely unnoticed by the pundits. Rubbish, there's more than one way to demonstrate greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted May 28, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted May 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cannabis said: By winning a knockout competition where you can lose games and win the second leg to go through? The Champions League has what, 14 games? The league has 38. The league is more prestigious and defines the "true" great teams. What you can't lose games in the league and still win the tournament? Odd criticism to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozziovai Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 if the Champions League isn't that "GREAT" of an achievement that others say here --- then how come it was the first thing in mind when Roman took over for Chelsea and when they won it, Abra was so damn happy ??? Oil owners of City took it Pep coz they believe that they would win the UCL with him ............... and PSG, spending billions of shit in order to lift that trophy ..... and if you people believe that it's EASY coz it's ONLY a knockout tournament, then how come Barcelona didn't win it year after year ??? we can criticize Zidane and this Real Madrid side if they're only winning the UCL, but they've won the double last year, the league and UCL. but hey, people are still not satisfied with it .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, bozziovai said: if the Champions League isn't that "GREAT" of an achievement that others say here --- then how come it was the first thing in mind when Roman took over for Chelsea and when they won it, Abra was so damn happy ??? Oil owners of City took it Pep coz they believe that they would win the UCL with him ............... and PSG, spending billions of shit in order to lift that trophy ..... and if you people believe that it's EASY coz it's ONLY a knockout tournament, then how come Barcelona didn't win it year after year ??? we can criticize Zidane and this Real Madrid side if they're only winning the UCL, but they've won the double last year, the league and UCL. but hey, people are still not satisfied with it .... Nobody said any of that mate. Absolutely nobody! The Champions League is the biggest football competition in Europe but a season doesn’t consist of winning the Champions League! Do you get that part? As for PSG and Man City wanting to win the Champions League which is the biggest marketing showcase in club football, especially seeing as those two clubs are from Gulf nations, then you tell me the reasons as to why this could be the case. Put it this way and be honest... Would you classify this season as a success for Real Madrid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMike Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Heavy weekend that. Far too hungover to be arsed analysing the game but I don't think that really needs doing. Obvious where the game was lost from our point of view. Hopefully we can use this season as a platform to build on and come back strong next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 On 25/05/2018 at 22:28, Lucas said: I've a sneaky feeling with all the hype and build up of Salah v Ronaldo, Bale will steal the show. On 25/05/2018 at 22:41, Lucas said: I just have a feeling Bale is in great form and is due something big. Especially as it's against an English club. Oh hello... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozziovai Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 49 minutes ago, SirBalon said: Nobody said any of that mate. Absolutely nobody! The Champions League is the biggest football competition in Europe but a season doesn’t consist of winning the Champions League! Do you get that part? As for PSG and Man City wanting to win the Champions League which is the biggest marketing showcase in club football, especially seeing as those two clubs are from Gulf nations, then you tell me the reasons as to why this could be the case. Put it this way and be honest... Would you classify this season as a success for Real Madrid? The Champions League is the biggest football competition in Europe but a season doesn’t consist of winning the Champions League! Do you get that part? here's my stand for a team's season, in the case of Madrid, they are in three competitions, Copa Del Rey, UCL and of course the league. this year, Madrid facked it up on both the CDR and the league, fack it up big time in la liga, in december it was practically game over for them, but on the other hand, the only competition they are still alive, the UCL, and they performed wonderfully with a little help from luck and referees and they eventually won it and thus "saving" their abysmal season. The same goes for Atletico Madrid, they're dead in the league, but in Europa, a competition they are involved in, they won, a "consolation" for their season. And also for Chelsea, boat is sinking but that FA CUP victory had made the fans happy to have won something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 The Barcelona bum boys are out in force again because of pure jealousy! Because no one is talking about them as they won the league, but in modern football the league is not a big deal compared to winning the Champions league then winning a league that teams are getting beat 6-0 every week. Barcelona also took so long to do something in Europe also due to the dominance of Real. Barcelona are in the shadow of Real, they will never give Zidane credit for what he has done. Everyone has their tongue so far up Guardiola’s ass while cradling his balls but he has done fuck all in Europe with Bayen and Man City with huge amounts of money spent as it shows his succes was down to him inheriting great players during his time at Barca. Zidane is the European king! Sickening from the Barceona bum boys!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 48 minutes ago, Lucas said: Oh hello... Tactical masterclass from Zidane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozziovai Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 13 hours ago, Cicero said: You are only a great side if you win your league as well. Embarrassing that their 2 league titles in 9 years goes completely unnoticed by the pundits. i'm still new here, but last year when Madrid won the league and Champions League, did you give them the credit they deserve ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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