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Great news. Looking forward to actually seeing it implemented, though. I know safety is paramount but I hope the process doesn't take too long.

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This is great news, it's needed to improve the atmosphere's up and down the country. If we can get them implemented in the Football League then hopefully the top flight follows suit.

In an ideal world our new ground in the docks has room for such a feature (hopefully behind the goal).

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I'm told by older family members that the Holte is a shadow of its former self without standing. It's a shadow of its former self because of other things to but we start as we mean to go on. I for one look forward to standing. 

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Ridiculous that this wasn't done years ago. Saying that, that alone isn't going to save atmospheres.

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After seeing the safe standing scenes at Celtic Park yesterday I don't see why we wouldn't have safe standing in the Premier and Football League.

I really hope Everton consider this as an option when we move to the new ground.

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Safe Standing: Are you in or out?

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The prospect of safe standing being introduced to English football has moved a step closer after the government body responsible for ground safety granted a request from the Football League to permit rail seating in 21 grounds that are not subject to all-seater requirements.

A letter sent by the Football League’s chief executive, Shaun Harvey, to clubs this week, which has been seen by the Guardian, revealed that the Sports Grounds Safety Authority has agreed “to establish a process” whereby rail seating such as the type used in Germany’s Bundesliga and at Celtic Park can be introduced.

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We had a thread about this on the old forum and if I remember rightly the general consensus was that people were all for this change to be made. Personally, I'd love it if Everton could incorporate safe standing into the new stadium as I think it really helps create a buzz and atmosphere and it's little coincidence that German fans are some of the best in the world and they're also the ones that get to stand during the game. 

With the Football League jumping on board with the idea where do you stand (pardon the pun) on this matter?

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I long for the day we can have safe standing at the King Power

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I've never quite got the appeal of safe standing and standing in general, if I'm honest. I've stood on many a terrace and sat in many more grounds and I don't get why it's perceived to be better or contribute to the atmosphere. I find that people who want to stand at Football grounds now do so anyway and people who sit do that. 

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17 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said:

I've never quite got the appeal of safe standing and standing in general, if I'm honest. I've stood on many a terrace and sat in many more grounds and I don't get why it's perceived to be better or contribute to the atmosphere. I find that people who want to stand at Football grounds now do so anyway and people who sit do that. 

Yeah exactly this. 

A standing section here for example isn't gonna improve the atmosphere for an early Saturday game against Swansea. Not in the long run anyway. 

Stand at every away ground these days and the majority of the big home games you're always on your feet. 

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If you want an atmosphere you need a section with a conductor. That's what they do in those raved about clubs on the continent. English atmospheres are sporadic and depend on a number of variables.

However personally I do prefer a crowd that responds to a game over a crowd that makes the same noise no matter what.

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23 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said:

If you want an atmosphere you need a section with a conductor. That's what they do in those raved about clubs on the continent. English atmospheres are sporadic and depend on a number of variables.

There can't be any conductors in England because they'd get told to sit down. 

If there was safe standing there would be a conductor and thus we'd have a loud atmosphere.

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The problem is where you get seated can be the luck of the draw. Of course everyone stands away, it's part of the ethos. However, having some fucking grandma tell you to sit down because she can't see is annoying as fuck and she'll always win.

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47 minutes ago, DeadLinesman said:

The problem is where you get seated can be the luck of the draw. Of course everyone stands away, it's part of the ethos. However, having some fucking grandma tell you to sit down because she can't see is annoying as fuck and she'll always win.

The domino effect though! You'll have to tell the one in front to do so too... and on and on! xD

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Don't go the match anymore so doesn't affect me but it's surely all about choice. There's plenty who don't want to stand but may unknowingly end up in an unofficial standing area and depending on how forceful the stewards are it can cause big issues between fellow fans. Clear designated safe standing areas would solve that issue. As mentioned, the majority of away fans stand these days anyway but what about those who don't want to? Why not have a few rows at the front seated and the rest safe standing? Same goes for cup finals at Wembley, make behind the goals safe standing so people have a choice.

It's also about safety. Seated areas are not the safest areas for the more animated supporters if they're standing all game. A bar in front that comes above your waist is much safer than a little plastic seat that is shin height

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On 07/04/2017 at 4:22 PM, HoneyNUFC said:

If you want an atmosphere you need a section with a conductor. That's what they do in those raved about clubs on the continent. English atmospheres are sporadic and depend on a number of variables.

However personally I do prefer a crowd that responds to a game over a crowd that makes the same noise no matter what.

That's one thing I much prefer with a 'British' atmosphere at a game rather than a more continental atmosphere is the most more reactional crowd. The constant 'drone' of a crowd doesn't inspire anything in my opinion.

We already have the 'right' to have safe standing at all levels in Scotland, but so far only Celtic have taken it up as the cost of it with no increase in revenue to come from it. I live in hope that when Aberdeen's new stadium is complete that one end will be a complete safe standing stand. It won't take away someone's preferred seat and will hopefully improve atmospheres.

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On 4/7/2017 at 6:07 PM, DeadLinesman said:

The problem is where you get seated can be the luck of the draw. Of course everyone stands away, it's part of the ethos. However, having some fucking grandma tell you to sit down because she can't see is annoying as fuck and she'll always win.

Not if you move.

It's a matter of when, not if. Typical of this country that we're pissing around with it for ages when there's never once been a proper argument against it.

Haven't sat down at a game in a good 5 years now. Home or away. It's easily done.

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Always sit at home and stand away.

I can barely be arsed to stand up for the whole 90 minutes to be honest, I seem to remember the away end at Burnley being standing or did I dream that?

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As someone who had a season ticket in a terrace I can easily say I'd prefer to stand than sit. It just feels like a passive way to support your team. I get why people need to, elderly, disabled, young families. And I get why people just want to sit sometimes as well, but personally if I were to sit then I'd do it with the intent of analysing the game rather than supporting my team.

I can say that just because there's a terrace doesn't mean there will be an improvement on the atmosphere, but it does help. Ealing Road terrace at Griffin Park generally leads the atmosphere, it's good when other stands get involved but the terrace will always be the end that consistently makes more noise.

Safe standing would offer people the chance to create their own atmospheres around like minded people though as opposed to trying to get a chant going surrounded by people sat down and clapping occasionally.

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4 hours ago, Dan said:

Not if you move.

It's a matter of when, not if. Typical of this country that we're pissing around with it for ages when there's never once been a proper argument against it.

Haven't sat down at a game in a good 5 years now. Home or away. It's easily done.

Away no problem. Not a chance at Old Trafford unless your upper tier Stretford End or K Stand.

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4 hours ago, DeadLinesman said:

Away no problem. Not a chance at Old Trafford unless your upper tier Stretford End or K Stand.

Nearly everyone stands away these days I think. It's not that hard to stand at ours. Our Kop is full of pensioners so they won't stand on mass but it's easy enough to get into a block that does, there are pockets of it all over.

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9 hours ago, Dan said:

 

Haven't sat down at a game in a good 5 years now. Home or away. It's easily done.

It's not needed, then. 

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I'd make it all standing. If you want to sit down stay at home or go to the pub

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West Brom offer to trail safe standing:

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West Brom have informed the Premier League they are prepared to be part of a pilot scheme to test safe-standing.

The Premier League has written to all 20 clubs asking if they would be interested in taking part in a trial, which could eventually see the reintroduction of standing areas within grounds. Albion's director of operations Mark Miles has led a study into the prospect of having safe-standing at The Hawthorns.

He said: "I have written back to the Premier League and told them our position remains that we would be very keen to be involved in a pilot. It is the same message I have delivered verbally at previous meetings."

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Plenty of our fans including myself e-mailing Leicester to get involved. We've never been public on our stance.

There are no losers in safe standing.

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Just now, Dan said:

Plenty of our fans including myself e-mailing Leicester to get involved. We've never been public on our stance. There are no losers in safe standing.

I've been in contact with Everton regarding our new stadium as they are welcoming fan feedback and I've asked about safe standing. I'd love for us to have a noisy, standing section tucked into the corner of our new ground, it'd improve the atmosphere ten-fold.

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1 minute ago, Cannabis said:

I've been in contact with Everton regarding our new stadium as they are welcoming fan feedback and I've asked about safe standing. I'd love for us to have a noisy, standing section tucked into the corner of our new ground, it'd improve the atmosphere ten-fold.

I'd go further than a corner and say I'd want at least a whole stand behind a goal to become that. If we ever go through with our expansion that we keep talking about, put another tier on the Kop - make that new bit where those who want to sit go, and make the lower tier (the current Kop) standing. Genuinely think we'd have the demand.

As it is now I think our Kop is a mix of people who want to and don't, but those who don't come out on top simply because they're towards the back - when we build our ground they gave people in our old two tiered Kop first dibs on where to go in the new one so naturally those on the upper tier went towards the back and those on the lower went towards the front. Sure enough, you've now got this situation.

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It begins. We turn our stadiums ugly because it's too dangerous to stand infront of a seat xD

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