Kowabunga Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: I understand being against the foreign policy of always backing Israel regardless of what ever happens.... but calling terror groups "friends" is also at least a bit retarded. But I also take the unique stance that Israel's government are a bunch of cunts and so are Hamas/Hezbollah. I think the saddest thing about this election is May and Corbyn both look... barely competent... at best. From afar I really find astounding the massive flop of the libs in the polls. It's ridiculous. Just by appealing to the most doctrinaire remainers/remoaners with promises of soft brexit they should have a 20% of votes at the ballots. They don't look close to it at all.
Administrator Stan Posted May 30, 2017 Administrator Posted May 30, 2017 18 minutes ago, Kowabunga said: From afar I really find astounding the massive flop of the libs in the polls. It's ridiculous. Just by appealing to the most doctrinaire remainers/remoaners with promises of soft brexit they should have a 20% of votes at the ballots. They don't look close to it at all. they never had a good standing in the first place and never have to be honest. The closest they got to power recently was the coalition in 2010.
Hugh Jass Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 I personally think that Paxman has lost his touch and missed glaring opportunities to press both leaders, allowing them to sit on their pre-rehearsed answers. He just kept repeating the same questions over and over. Then again I'm generally anti-Paxman and think he's a complete t*sser. I've loved that famous interview on Newsnight when the Plaid Cymru economist completely destroyed him, and exposed his weakness with numbers. Andrew Neil is 10 times the political presenter that Paxman has ever been in my opinion.
Inverted Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 On the Corbyn slip up: I'd much rather a leader knew that his party had it worked out, and simply failed to recite the number from rote, than simply having no concrete work on their policies. It's about policies; it's not a memory test. I don't recall May pricing the average school meal af 7p getting this much attention, either.
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted May 30, 2017 Subscriber Posted May 30, 2017 59 minutes ago, Inverted said: On the Corbyn slip up: I'd much rather a leader knew that his party had it worked out, and simply failed to recite the number from rote, than simply having no concrete work on their policies. It's about policies; it's not a memory test. I don't recall May pricing the average school meal af 7p getting this much attention, either. Nope the media is absolutely embarrassing running with that as news, and to prove I'm not biased the Independent constantly plugging Labour has been as cringe worthy as the Tory rags.
6666 Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Kowabunga said: From afar I really find astounding the massive flop of the libs in the polls. It's ridiculous. Just by appealing to the most doctrinaire remainers/remoaners with promises of soft brexit they should have a 20% of votes at the ballots. They don't look close to it at all. The Lib Dems have always come across as mostly being whiny and Nick Clegg pretty much selling out what the Liberal Democrats are supposed to be about by bending over for the Conservatives so he can have a slice of power definitely didn't help.
Honey Honey Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 Lib Dems are coming up short because without a shred of irony a chunk of the stop Brexit metropolitan class are going to vote for an anti-establishment candidate with a lack of mainstream economic credibility.
Fairy In Boots Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 10 hours ago, Inverted said: On the Corbyn slip up: I'd much rather a leader knew that his party had it worked out, and simply failed to recite the number from rote, than simply having no concrete work on their policies. It's about policies; it's not a memory test. I don't recall May pricing the average school meal af 7p getting this much attention, either. He should know though especially with a key policy launch and a week or so after the Abbot meltdown. It just adds credibility to the claims that his office is chaos and he can't organise a piss up in a brewery. He's doing well because he comes across as personable which is a result of him talking to crowds which is the one thing he can do with any degree of competency. May has the charisma of a plastic bag and has great difficulty engaging with anyone. The Tories could attack him because when you dig down they're just borrowing massive amounts of money to invest in the civil services which as we all know falls flat on its face down the line. They won't though this has been a horrificly poor campaign for the Tories and I fully expect May to get knifed before 2022 as she's a catastrophe. In terms of his actual ability to govern it's a Complete washout, his own party hate him and will fuck him pretty much at every turn. His policies such as uncontrolled immigration is either masochistic or just importing voters. With Blair it was definitely an attempt to import voters, without a thought for those who've put him there. He's already started Brexit negotiations by playing his hand that he won't walk away without a deal. It's absolute madness, we'll end up with chaos again if the Tories don't get a majority.
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted May 31, 2017 Subscriber Posted May 31, 2017 @Fairy In Boots Corbyn isn't perfect but it's not a party leaders job to know every fact and figure in their manifesto as this is party politics not a dictatorship. Admittedly after Abbot's fuck up he should have known better and speaking of her, I wish he'd sack off the bint altogether as she's a total liability. As for Labour's spending policies, I'm all for them. Tory austerity has had six years to prove its the solution. During this time I've seen first hand some of the consequences having been through university and become a teacher. Even in 2 full years of teaching I've seen the cuts tearing education to pieces. And for what? What has compromising the education of our next generation achieved for the country? The deficit has been reduced, perfect, so how does that help me? How does that help you? On immigration, Corbyn promised to regulate it without promising exact numbers like Theresa did but couldn't follow through on.
Honey Honey Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 Any leader really should know costings during an election campaign so that they can be grilled and defend the affordability of it. That is an integral part of an election process, being unprepared to take part in that is poor form. Otherwise what is the actual point of going on air if you are just going to do a Natalie Bennett and say don't ask me just take my word for it
Dr. Gonzo Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 21 hours ago, Panflute said: Hamas are cunts, Hezbollah are one of the most admirable groups in the Middle East today. Ultra-religious hardliners are an admirable group? Because they have a political party and are against ISIS? They're basically just Iran's theocracies thugs. I'll be honest, I don't think there are many admirable groups in the Middle East right now. There's no open secularist movements... but Hezbollah are a group I don't think can be reasonably called admirable.
Inverted Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 40 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Ultra-religious hardliners are an admirable group? Because they have a political party and are against ISIS? They're basically just Iran's theocracies thugs. I'll be honest, I don't think there are many admirable groups in the Middle East right now. There's no open secularist movements... but Hezbollah are a group I don't think can be reasonably called admirable. I agree with you except I need to mention here that the Kurdish YPG is a secular, Marxist group, and one of the most effective parts of the fight against ISIS. They work with Christian and Muslim groups, and accept non-Kurd volunteers.
God is Haaland Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 On 30.5.2017 at 3:26 PM, Chaaay AFC said: Agree, I even heard on the radio the Tories are concentrating on a 'strong' Brexit and will hope that will help with the costs of our public services, but as you said May claimed yesterday should rather have no deal than a bad one? So literally our public funding is relying on if Brexit goes well which their is no guarantee it will. *which there is no guarantee it will But I agree with your conclusion.
Honey Honey Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 The losers debate is at 7:30pm on BBC if anyone is interested. The lady's not for showing up.
Honey Honey Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 Someone get Angus Robertson a fan, 2 minutes in and he's sweating like he's half way through a marathon on a sunny day
Administrator Stan Posted May 31, 2017 Administrator Posted May 31, 2017 Tim Farron's opening statement starting off with:
6666 Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 57 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said: The losers debate is at 7:30pm on BBC if anyone is interested. The lady's not for showing up. She will have Amber Rudd standing in for her as I understand it. Will be interesting to see how she deals with constant shots at Theresa May not turning up because she's weak.
Honey Honey Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 It's not working so far. 7 is too many people. Think I will watch Britain's Got Talent instead.
Kowabunga Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Ultra-religious hardliners are an admirable group? Because they have a political party and are against ISIS? They're basically just Iran's theocracies thugs. I'll be honest, I don't think there are many admirable groups in the Middle East right now. There's no open secularist movements... but Hezbollah are a group I don't think can be reasonably called admirable. TBH. While being a theocracy tutelated by a sort of jedi council and of course a repressive one, Iran is also a very stable regime that allows for some limited margin of popular participation in the political arena, and the only regime in the MENA that seems to be able to cope to certain extent with a multi-ethnic paradigm within their borders without falling into sectarian violence and chaos.
The Artful Dodger Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 Nuttall makes Tim Farron look like Alexander the Great.
Dr. Gonzo Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, Kowabunga said: TBH. While being a theocracy tutelated by a sort of jedi council and of course a repressive one, Iran is also a very stable regime that allows for some limited margin of popular participation in the political arena, and the only regime in the MENA that seems to be able to cope to certain extent with a multi-ethnic paradigm within their borders without falling into sectarian violence and chaos. I say this with quite a bit of bias as someone who's family left Iran because of the revolution, but fuck Iran's government. Iran has somehow gone from a bad, yet not anywhere near as repressive as modern day, puppet regime to an awful theocratic authoritarian regime. I think this is a real fucking shame. None of this has anything to do with the UK general election though.... so I'll try to steer things back to that. I don't think Corbyn has a shot, and I don't particularly like him tbh, but I absolutely cannot stand May. I think it's a pretty dire situation, but it would be nice to see Tories suffer a loss.
Inverted Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 I'm half-studying, half-checking the clips on Twitter, but I found the audience reaction to Robertson's point on the tone regarding migrants pleasing.
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