Tennis

[Toinho]

5 hours ago, LFCMike said:

 

Yeah seems like a right dickhead doesn’t he. What was his plan if he didn’t get covid a few weeks ago? 
 

Im a bit disgusted he has a court appearance tomorrow - yet we have a load of refugees etc in detention centres who will never get a court hearing. Just fuck him off. 

[Devil-Dick Willie]

Don't let the recent debacle distract you from the fact that there never was a big 4. 

Andy Murray = Stan Wawrinka. 

[Spike]

6 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

Don't let the recent debacle distract you from the fact that there never was a big 4. 

Andy Murray = Stan Wawrinka. 

Murray played in twice as many finals and has won over 13% more of his matches. Murray is closer to Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer, than Wawrinka is to Murray

[Devil-Dick Willie]

36 minutes ago, Spike said:

Murray played in twice as many finals and has won over 13% more of his matches. Murray is closer to Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer, than Wawrinka is to Murray

Lost in twice as many finals. 

While I do believe the 'big 4' is a myth that wouldn't have existed if say, Del Potro replaced Murray. Your 2nd comment I must STRONGLY disagree with. Stan the man with his 2 titles is MUCH MUCH MUCH closer to Murray with his 2 titles than Murray is to the 3 guys who've won 10 times as many titles. Give your head a wobble. 

[Spike]

23 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

Lost in twice as many finals. 

While I do believe the 'big 4' is a myth that wouldn't have existed if say, Del Potro replaced Murray. Your 2nd comment I must STRONGLY disagree with. Stan the man with his 2 titles is MUCH MUCH MUCH closer to Murray with his 2 titles than Murray is to the 3 guys who've won 10 times as many titles. Give your head a wobble. 

It isn’t just about titles. Murray has won well over 100 more games than Wawrinka. Murray consistently got to the finals and lost to… the three best players of all time? He is no big four but he is a league apart from Wawrinka. Wawrinka didn’t lose as many finals because he wasn't good enough to get to the finals.

[Spike]

If you are a stats guy Murray winning % is much closer to the big three’s, than Wawrinka’s is to Murray’s. Big3 sits around 82%, Murray at 76%, and Wawrinka at 63%. Out of context yeah, but how many of Murrays losses are exclusive to Federer, Nadal, and Cuntface? 

[Devil-Dick Willie]

20 minutes ago, Spike said:

If you are a stats guy Murray winning % is much closer to the big three’s, than Wawrinka’s is to Murray’s. Big3 sits around 82%, Murray at 76%, and Wawrinka at 63%. Out of context yeah, but how many of Murrays losses are exclusive to Federer, Nadal, and Cuntface? 

Stan had a shorter peak than Murray. That is all. 

[Spike]

1 minute ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

Stan had a shorter peak than Murray. That is all. 

and won less matches and less tournaments and got to less finals. Murray was significantly more successful, that doesn’t mean Wawrinka wasn’t. 

[Spike]

quick google search says murray has won 46 titles to wawrinkas 16, murray has won head to head 12-9. i dot give a fuck about tennis at all but the numbers dont lie

[Devil-Dick Willie]

12-9 justifies my earlier comment. They're MUCH more similar than Murray to the 3 actual all time greats. 

[Spike]

wawinka has 12 wins against the top three

murray has 28

just accept the L

[Tommy]

Murray also had a lot more serious injuries than Wawrinka, no?

[RandoEFC+]

Murray has had a way better career than Wawrinka but won't be remembered as a part of the big four historically. What's more telling is someone being rattled enough to bring that up unprovoked the best part of a decade since it was relevant .

On Djokovic, it's now come out he did a photoshoot with L'Equipe two days after he 'tested positive for Covid' as well as the awards event thing.

[Azeem]

I've only played tennis on Mario Tennis, always with Yoshi. 

[Devil-Dick Willie]

59 minutes ago, RondónEFC said:

Murray has had a way better career than Wawrinka but won't be remembered as a part of the big four historically. What's more telling is someone being rattled enough to bring that up unprovoked the best part of a decade since it was relevant .

On Djokovic, it's now come out he did a photoshoot with L'Equipe two days after he 'tested positive for Covid' as well as the awards event thing.

You're at least grounded in reality. Yes, Murray was better than Stan, which I have already stated that saying they are equal is a wind up. But he was So far behind the other 3 it's not funny. Both on the court and in the cabinet. If Murray was from a country that wasnt a western power the big 4 would never have existed. 

[RandoEFC+]

1 minute ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

You're at least grounded in reality. Yes, Murray was better than Stan, which I have already stated that saying they are equal is a wind up. But he was So far behind the other 3 it's not funny. Both on the court and in the cabinet. If Murray was from a country that wasnt a western power the big 4 would never have existed. 

Over the course of their whole careers, Murray clearly falls comfortably behind the other three, but in the context of the time people actually talked about the Big Four, Djokovic was only just winning his first Grand Slams and Murray wasn't far off. He was basically as unbeatable for the rest of the tour as Federer, Nadal and Djokovic. His head to head against Nadal has always been poor, but he's only 14-11 down to Federer, and 25-11 to Djokovic is exactly what you'd get from a player who's the bottom of a top four. Murray also picked up a lot of achievements outside the Grand Slams, winning the Olympic competition twice, the Davis Cup almost single-handedly, and made it to the #1 spot at year's end.

The Big Four in a historical context is a fallacy, obviously, you don't have to look beyond the Grand Slam count to prove that. However, the comparison to Wawrinka is disingenuous. The Big Four were christened thus because there was a phase in mens' tennis where the semi-finals of any Masters 1000 or Grand Slam competition would almost exclusively involve those four players, or at least three of the four. There was a huge gulf between them and the rest of the field. There was also a gap between Murray and the top three which prevented him from from winning more Grand Slams but it was a smaller one. This is laid out in how comfortably Murray (after his peak) dominated the tour in the back end of 2016 where Djokovic had a small dip in form and Federer and Nadal had injury problems.

Ultimately, whether you want to argue over whether you want to call it a Big Three or a Big Four during that era of tennis is semantics. It is very clear that Murray was the 4th of the four, but he was much closer to the other three than anyone else was to him.

[Tommy]

1 hour ago, Khan of TF365 said:

I've only played tennis on Mario Tennis, always with Yoshi. 

Would you say Yoshi is in the Top 4?

[Azeem]

27 minutes ago, Tommy said:

Would you say Yoshi is in the Top 4?

Mario, Peach, Wario and Yoshi

[Toinho]

19 minutes ago, Khan of TF365 said:

Mario, Peach, Wario and Yoshi

What about top 4 you’d shag? Peach number one for me 

[MUFC]

 

[Toinho]

Utter incompetence from the federal government 

[Bluebird Hewitt]

Apparently been re-arrested more or less immediately after the judge quashed the original cancellation and are looking to try and revoke his visa again.

What a shitshow from the Aussie government.

[Toinho]

1 hour ago, Bluebird Hewitt said:

Apparently been re-arrested more or less immediately after the judge quashed the original cancellation and are looking to try and revoke his visa again.

What a shitshow from the Aussie government.

Not true 

[Bluebird Hewitt]

8 minutes ago, Toinho said:

Not true 

Looks like you're right on the re-arrest (it was mentioned that it did originate from Serbia), but the potential re-cancellation is still ongoing.

[nudge]

2 minutes ago, Bluebird Hewitt said:

Looks like you're right on the re-arrest (it was mentioned that it did originate from Serbia), but the potential re-cancellation is still ongoing.

They canceled the visa of a Czech tennis player who had been in the country for weeks already and even played a match in a practice tournament, and detained her  unlike Djokovic, she doesn't have the resources to fight the Australian government though, so just agreed to leave.