Norwich 2-2 Tottenham - Saturday 28th December, 2019

[Stan]

Live on Sky Sports

Kick-off 17.30

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Match History
Norwich 0-3 Tottenham
Tottenham 3-0 Norwich
Norwich 1-0 Tottenham
Tottenham 2-0 Norwich
Norwich 1-1 Tottenham

Head to Head
Norwich - 20 wins
Draws - 16
Tottenham - 29 wins

[Stan]

Norwich score! 

[Stan]

Such a shit goal to concede from spurs perspective. Foyth loses the ball then Spurs back off Vrancic who has ages to pick his spot past Gazzaniga. 

[Pyfish+]

Pukki did well to block too so Vrancic could do his thing.

[Stan]

Great ball for Pukki to go on and score from. 2-0 Norwich! 

[Inverted]

That decision is an absolute atrocity. Whoever is responsible for this whole charade should be out on the street. 

[Stan]

Pukki denied a brilliant goal. Even that VAR decision has pissed me off

 

[Inverted]

They've ruled it off because he came back from an offside position before the ball was played? 

So getting yourself onside now counts as being offside. If you stray offside at any point during the game, you can no longer apparently be onside for the rest of it. 

This officiating team should be on the dole before the new year. 

[Cicero]

3 minutes ago, Inverted said:

They've ruled it off because he came back from an offside position before the ball was played? 

So getting yourself onside now counts as being offside. If you stray offside at any point during the game, you can no longer apparently be onside for the rest of it. 

This officiating team should be on the dole before the new year. 

Look at it again. Pukki's shoulder was ahead of Toby's knee. You can score with your shoulder. 

Correct call. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

VAR is an absolute load of shit

[Inverted]

The offside rule was invented to stop attackers deriving an advantage from goal-hanging. 

Even if his shoulder is offside (which I doubt and which we know the technology is not 100% objectively capable of showing) the very notion of scrutinising a move so carefully when the attacker is in this case least a clear foot in front of the defender, and just leaning forward, is absurd and horrendous. 

[Cicero]

6 minutes ago, Inverted said:

The offside rule was invented to stop attackers deriving an advantage from goal-hanging. 

Even if his shoulder is offside (which I doubt and which we know the technology is not 100% objectively capable of showing) the very notion of scrutinising a move so carefully when the attacker is in this case least a clear foot in front of the defender, and just leaning forward, is absurd and horrendous. 

And VAR was implemented to make the correct decision every time. The moment certain leeway is presented, there's no telling when it will stop, and the whole purpose of VAR will be thrown out the window. You can doubt all you want if he is or isn't offsides, but VAR presents the most objective display possible ahead of your or any human interpretation. 

5 minutes ago, shut up said:

attacker should get the benefit of the doubt. bullshit decision 

So you'd be fine if Spurs beat you 1-0 in a top 4 game decider with Harry Kane's shoulder ahead of Luiz's knee? 

[Stan]

Looked like deliberate handball from Lewis there for Norwich. Surprised only a yellow?

[Stan]

Brilliant free kick from Eriksen levels things up. Takes a slight deflection to take it further away from Krul.

[Mel81x+]

Tough luck on Spurs there and now Norwich are back on top.

[Inverted]

Spurs not very convincing going forward again. Only ideas seem to be hitting it long into Alli and Kane, which makes sense because they're so physically dominant. 

But surely when you've got players like Moura, Ndombele and Eriksen there's got to be more?

[Lucas]

Can't help but feel Tottenham give away some easy goals. It's not like teams need to work hard to get them.

The two today were soft when you look at the build up. From memory the two they let in at home to Chelsea too were from being not switched on in certain situations.

If they keep on conceding easy, they are going to be over reliant on the attack.

Norwich have no defence. Cannon fodder really. Most clubs should be putting them away.

[Dan+]

Football is corrupt. It has to be.

[Bluewolf]

Just seen the Pukki goal they chalked off... terrible decision for me that. It's things like that which are totally taking away the excitement of attacking play 

[LFCMadLad]

3 hours ago, Bluewolf said:

Just seen the Pukki goal they chalked off... terrible decision for me that. It's things like that which are totally taking away the excitement of attacking play 

That's what VAR is doing to football. It's become farcical. Almost everything that made football spontaneous and exciting is being taken away because people wanted perfection. 

As the saying goes, should have been careful what you wish for. 

[Azeem]

Football has too many grey areas even for technology

[RandoEFC+]

The question remains, would people prefer for them to change the offside rule? And to what? A player has to be more than 1cm offside for it to be offside? Then people will just cry when a player gets flagged for being 1.1cm off. Or should it be measured by feet only because it's football? Then people will cry if someone's head is offside and they score a header.

The offside rule is black and white. The current scenario with VAR and offsides is the best of a bad range of options.

[Bluewolf]

11 minutes ago, Azeem said:

Football has too many grey areas even for technology

So in order to make it more effective you remove the grey areas and have one decision that covers all regardless of how painful that might be for some, at least you have one clear rule that applies to all and that everyone does not necessarily like but understands. For example, if the ball hits a players hand in the penalty area regardless of intent it's either a penalty or a goal kick depending on who the offender is that way you remove any doubt and it's not open to various peoples interpretation of the rule each time, that way you don't get it given in one game but not in another

[Azeem]

2 minutes ago, Bluewolf said:

So in order to make it more effective you remove the grey areas and have one decision that covers all regardless of how painful that might be for some, at least you have one clear rule that applies to all and that everyone does not necessarily like but understands. For example, if the ball hits a players hand in the penalty area regardless of intent it's either a penalty or a goal kick depending on who the offender is that way you remove any doubt and it's not open to various peoples interpretation of the rule each time, that way you don't get it given in one game but not in another

But it's down to the refs interpretation on the moment one ref might give a penalty thinking it was intent and other might not something like this happend with Australia at the last world where they conceded one penalty but were not given one from the same incident.

kinda like lbw in Cricket where the umpires interpretation stands if technology can't be 100% 

[Bluewolf]

1 minute ago, Azeem said:

But it's down to the refs interpretation on the moment one ref might give a penalty thinking it was intent and other might not

Well that's why I am saying you have to take out that speculation and have one simple rule.. The technology is fine it's the human element that's at fault. One mans 'accidental' is another mans 'deliberate'