Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,672 Posted March 7, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted March 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: You could play Salah anywhere in a front 3 or even No10 and he’d still be as effective. Even when he’s having an off day he still causes havoc. Cant say the same about Hazard. Okay this was a couple of years ago but Chelsea did play Salah (obviously not enough) across a front three numerous times and he obviously didn't cause havoc. I'm not denying that Salah is world class and he's putting together one of the best seasons we've seen from any current player, but it's still one season. I know he did well at Roma too but not to the extent that he was being talked about as one of the top 5 players in the world otherwise he wouldn't have ended up at Liverpool. Look at Mahrez for example, best player in the league for one season then he went back to being "just" a quality player who would still get into most sides in world football but isn't a contender for the Ballon D'Or or anything like that. Not taking anything away from Salah but let's see him keep this up for more than six months before concluding that he is a better player overall than Eden Hazard who has his dips but still has on his CV that he was a key player in multiple title winning sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 minute ago, RandoEFC said: Okay this was a couple of years ago but Chelsea did play Salah (obviously not enough) across a front three numerous times and he obviously didn't cause havoc. I'm not denying that Salah is world class and he's putting together one of the best seasons we've seen from any current player, but it's still one season. I know he did well at Roma too but not to the extent that he was being talked about as one of the top 5 players in the world otherwise he wouldn't have ended up at Liverpool. Look at Mahrez for example, best player in the league for one season then he went back to being "just" a quality player who would still get into most sides in world football but isn't a contender for the Ballon D'Or or anything like that. Not taking anything away from Salah but let's see him keep this up for more than six months before concluding that he is a better player overall than Eden Hazard who has his dips but still has on his CV that he was a key player in multiple title winning sides. Ok, I’m willing to re-visit this discussion in a few seasons to see how Salah is getting in. Hes a monster, an absolute beast and will no doubt be playing for one of the big powerhouse clubs within 2 years. Hazard however will probably still be plodding along at Chelsea having spells of being great and spells of being invisible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Except this is more than likely his last season with us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,672 Posted March 7, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted March 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: Ok, I’m willing to re-visit this discussion in a few seasons to see how Salah is getting in. Hes a monster, an absolute beast and will no doubt be playing for one of the big powerhouse clubs within 2 years. Hazard however will probably still be plodding along at Chelsea having spells of being great and spells of being invisible. I'm not saying you'll be wrong at all, just that the evidence isn't there to say you're definitely right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: I'm not saying you'll be wrong at all, just that the evidence isn't there to say you're definitely right. Of course, as with all talent rating within football, it’s only a matter of opinion. Mine can be simply put by saying that if it come out tomorrow that we had swapped Salah for Hazard.... I’d not be a happy man and I dare say Spurs fans would say the same if it was Kane and likewise City fans if it was KDB. Thats not to say though that I wouldn’t be over the moon if we signed Hazard on a totally separate deal. He’s a wonderful player on his day and I think under Klopp he could possibly go up another level and become elite. As things stand though I just think he’s way too inconsistent to be considered world class. Edited March 7, 2018 by LFCMadLad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Hazard wouldn't take the step down anyway. He's Real bound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Cicero said: Hazard wouldn't take the step down anyway. He's Real bound. Of course he wouldn’t (not that Liverpool is a step down from Chelsea, more of a sideway step). I was just talking theoretically. I think Hazard working within a Klopp system would be scary. Edited March 7, 2018 by LFCMadLad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 With growing indication that Conte will be gone, rumored names for next manager are Sarri, Enrique, Ancelotti, and Tuchel Who would you lot prefer and why? @Spike @carefreeluke @True Blue @The Liquidator @Bluewolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Liquidator 259 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 16:44, Stan said: De Bruyne and Salah for starters. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and now I know your opinion in all your postings are not to be taken seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Liquidator 259 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Gentlemen, much thanks for taking a interest in this subject matter of Hazard against the rest. When evaluating a player it's important to decide if they can do at least the same as each other. The players some of you are putting forward are having career seasons, a level they have never reached before. What we are seeing them produce has already been shown by Hazard, however, there is plenty Hazard has produced in a Chelsea shirt that your offerings, at the time of writing, have not shown us they can do. For me, that rules them out, at this time, being considered as the best in our league. What your offerings can be accused of is being the most inform players and I am sure that will bare evidence in player of the season polls. Body of work against best current form ~ its the difference between understanding football & football opinion lead by shortsightedness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Liquidator said: Gentlemen, much thanks for taking a interest in this subject matter of Hazard against the rest. When evaluating a player it's important to decide if they can do at least the same as each other. The players some of you are putting forward are having career seasons, a level they have never reached before. What we are seeing them produce has already been shown by Hazard, however, there is plenty Hazard has produced in a Chelsea shirt that your offerings, at the time of writing, have not shown us they can do. For me, that rules them out, at this time, being considered as the best in our league. What your offerings can be accused of is being the most inform players and I am sure that will bare evidence in player of the season polls. Body of work against best current form ~ its the difference between understanding football & football opinion lead by shortsightedness. Salah and Hazard play in very similar positions (wide forward) and not once has Hazard posted the numbers Salah has already posted in his very first season at Liverpool, not even close. I wouldn’t swap Salah for Hazard, not a chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 minute ago, LFCMadLad said: Salah and Hazard play in very similar positions (wide forward) and not once has Hazard posted the numbers Salah has already posted in his very first season at Liverpool, not even close. I wouldn’t swap Salah for Hazard, not a chance. Yet you continue to ignore the variables as to why that is. Variables that are pretty significant. Hazard's contributions lead to titles. I'm sure Liverpool will always remember and cherish Salah's golden boot award for 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,672 Posted March 7, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted March 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, Cicero said: Yet you continue to ignore the variables as to why that is. Variables that are pretty significant. Hazard's contributions lead to titles. I'm sure Liverpool will always remember and cherish Salah's golden boot award for 2018. While I agree with you on Hazard you're contradicting yourself re: variables. Like Hazard doesn't have the opportunity at Chelsea to post Salah's numbers, Salah doesn't have the opportunity at Liverpool to compete for silverware in the way that Hazard has at Chelsea in previous years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: While I agree with you on Hazard you're contradicting yourself re: variables. Like Hazard doesn't have the opportunity at Chelsea to post Salah's numbers, Salah doesn't have the opportunity at Liverpool to compete for silverware in the way that Hazard has at Chelsea in previous years. Nonsence. We are constantly told by them that Gerrard was better than Lampard, Alonso + Mascherano were better than Essien + Ballack, Suarez + Coutinho + Sterling + Lallana + Torres were better than any Chelsea attacking player ever, so obviously they had just as much if not better chance at winning silverware as us Edited March 7, 2018 by Cicero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Gold 599 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cicero said: Nonsence. We are constantly told by them that Gerrard was better than Lampard, Alonso + Mascherano were better than Essien + Ballack, Suarez + Coutinho + Sterling + Lallana + Torres were better than any Chelsea attacking player ever, so obviously they had just as much if not better chance at winning silverware as us Aye, forgot that Mo Salah has played for us since 2008. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Burning Gold said: Aye, forgot that Mo Salah has played for us since 2008. It was tongue in cheek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 46 minutes ago, Cicero said: Yet you continue to ignore the variables as to why that is. Variables that are pretty significant. Hazard's contributions lead to titles. I'm sure Liverpool will always remember and cherish Salah's golden boot award for 2018. So what you are saying is that Hazard played for a title winning team yet was never given the opportunity to post numbers that Salah has achieved in his first season at Liverpool? Makes sense tha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: So what you are saying is that Hazard played for a title winning team yet was never given the opportunity to post numbers that Salah has achieved in his first season at Liverpool? Makes sense tha Not quite. Almost there though give it another try, I know you can do it. Psst, you can find hints from other sensible posts within the thread Edited March 7, 2018 by Cicero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cicero said: Not quite. Almost there though give it another try, I know you can do it. Psst, you can find hints from other sensible posts within the thread Let’s just agree that Salah shits on Hazard from a very great height 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,310 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Cicero said: Hazard's contributions lead to titles. I'm sure Liverpool will always remember and cherish Salah's golden boot award for 2018. That actually points to a weird trend. Whether Salah or Kane win the golden boot this season, it'll be 5 seasons in a row where the golden boot winner wasn't a part of the title winning side. It's great for good press though as the media gives teams a pass for not doing anything for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,403 Posted March 7, 2018 Administrator Share Posted March 7, 2018 3 hours ago, The Liquidator said: Everyone is entitled to an opinion and now I know your opinion in all your postings are not to be taken seriously. great, thanks for that. wonder if you'll have the same opinion on Hazard if 1) he played for Liverpool or 2) you weren't a Chelsea fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreeluke 722 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Cicero said: With growing indication that Conte will be gone, rumored names for next manager are Sarri, Enrique, Ancelotti, and Tuchel Who would you lot prefer and why? @Spike @carefreeluke @True Blue @The Liquidator @Bluewolf Wouldn't touch Enrique with a barge pole mate, would be against that one for sure. Out of that list I would like to see Sarri or Tuchel but it would be important Roman gave full backing to both them and more importantly the time to implement things. So either of them but combined with the full backing and time to do their thing. Would like to watch a more attacking Chelsea team. The problem is that Conte has bought in a lot of players that suit his style and identity so it would probably need further recruitment. That's the problem we have. Also, Tuchel or Sarri potentially could go the way AVB went for example and both would need the right environment and conditions for it to work out. Edited March 7, 2018 by carefreeluke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Who do you all think will be the next manager after the next manager is sacked? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,107 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 8 hours ago, Cicero said: With growing indication that Conte will be gone, rumored names for next manager are Sarri, Enrique, Ancelotti, and Tuchel Who would you lot prefer and why? @Spike @carefreeluke @True Blue @The Liquidator @Bluewolf Sarri - I do not know enough about the man. Enrique - He is gruff, confrontational, and grouchy. He would never accept this post unless given what he wants. This is the man that replies to 'good morning' with 'oh? what is so good about it, then?'. Ancelotti - While, I really like the bloke, I don't particularly rate him as a manager. He seems to be the type of guy that can get the horse over the finish line but only when it is in a good mood. He isn't particularly a great strategist or tactician but relies on superb man-management to get the job done. There is a reason why Lampard, Drogba, Malouda, a other had their greatest seasons under his management. The only manager to give up a ridiculous lead in a CL when the opponent made a couple of tweaks, with one of the greatest teams ever assembled against the weakest winners ever. Tuchel - I don't know much about him but he seems to have bizarre body language. People joke that he has autism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Blue 971 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 14 hours ago, Cicero said: With growing indication that Conte will be gone, rumored names for next manager are Sarri, Enrique, Ancelotti, and Tuchel Who would you lot prefer and why? @Spike @carefreeluke @True Blue @The Liquidator @Bluewolf I'd have Carlo back any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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