Subscriber Dan+ Posted October 4, 2020 Subscriber Posted October 4, 2020 This is up there with some of the worst defending I've seen Where the hell is Luke Shaw meant to be playing?
Cicero Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 What's strange is that Untied were doing pretty well defensively from around January - June. Everything has just collapsed.
Spike Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Dan said: This is up there with some of the worst defending I've seen Where the hell is Luke Shaw meant to be playing? Loosehead prop
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted October 4, 2020 Subscriber Posted October 4, 2020 I played the biggest balls move of leaving Son in my fantasy team despite having a 25% chance of playing and now I'm reaping the rewards.
Administrator Stan Posted October 4, 2020 Author Administrator Posted October 4, 2020 At least we won't hear Mourinho moaning about the referee after that shambolic decision for Martial.
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted October 4, 2020 Subscriber Posted October 4, 2020 Also how is there a narrative about Man Utd needing more players or Solskjaer needing backing in the transfer market? Isn't this the most expensive squad in Europe apart from Manchester City? Plenty of those have been a waste of money but the manager and coaching team has to try and get something out of the players they've got like everyone else manages to do. It's not like they haven't got any help from the academy saving them money with Rashford, Henderson, Greenwood, McTominay. You can't just ask for another £50m signing in every position when your coaching and tactics are getting this dross out of these players.
Administrator Stan Posted October 4, 2020 Author Administrator Posted October 4, 2020 For anyone who's not seen it, this is how shambolic Lamela and the referee are for their decisions. Lamela almost forearms Martial in the throat. Martial retaliates(?!) with a slight tap on Lamela's face. Referee decides it's red for Martial but not the same for Lamela. At the very least, it should be the other way round I think. I don't get how, with the benefit of VAR being able to review the incident, Lamela gets away with nothing and Martial gets the most severe punishment. The punishment doesn't fit either of the crimes, so to speak. Poor all round. That reaction from Lamela is probably the worst thing about it all.
Subscriber Mel81x+ Posted October 4, 2020 Subscriber Posted October 4, 2020 This game is over now its just a matter of how much more Spurs want to exercise their advantage.
Subscriber Mel81x+ Posted October 4, 2020 Subscriber Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Stan said: For anyone who's not seen it, this is how shambolic Lamela and the referee are for their decisions. Lamela almost forearms Martial in the throat. Martial retaliates(?!) with a slight tap on Lamela's face. Referee decides it's red for Martial but not the same for Lamela. At the very least, it should be the other way round I think. I don't get how, with the benefit of VAR being able to review the incident, Lamela gets away with nothing and Martial gets the most severe punishment. The punishment doesn't fit either of the crimes, so to speak. Poor all round. That reaction from Lamela is probably the worst thing about it all. If Lamela reacts there I guarantee Martial stays on the pitch but he does something smart which is wait a second, gather his acting prowess and hit the floor. He does get a yellow later on but the damage is already done.
The Artful Dodger Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, RandoEFC said: Also how is there a narrative about Man Utd needing more players or Solskjaer needing backing in the transfer market? Isn't this the most expensive squad in Europe apart from Manchester City? Plenty of those have been a waste of money but the manager and coaching team has to try and get something out of the players they've got like everyone else manages to do. It's not like they haven't got any help from the academy saving them money with Rashford, Henderson, Greenwood, McTominay. You can't just ask for another £50m signing in every position when your coaching and tactics are getting this dross out of these players. Neville has been pathetically bleating on the whole half about lack of signings, desperately trying to push blame anywhere but his old mate Ole. There is a lot wrong with Manchester United and their owners but sorry this is type of abject performance is on the manager.
Administrator Stan Posted October 4, 2020 Author Administrator Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, Mel81x said: If Lamela reacts there I guarantee Martial stays on the pitch but he does something smart which is wait a second, gather his acting prowess and hit the floor. He does get a yellow later on but the damage is already done. Sorry but I can't condone that kind of 'smart' when it results in a red card for another player. It's where football needs to wise up and what needs to be eradicated. Acting prowess should never be a plus in this context.
Cicero Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Stan said: For anyone who's not seen it, this is how shambolic Lamela and the referee are for their decisions. Lamela almost forearms Martial in the throat. Martial retaliates(?!) with a slight tap on Lamela's face. Referee decides it's red for Martial but not the same for Lamela. At the very least, it should be the other way round I think. I don't get how, with the benefit of VAR being able to review the incident, Lamela gets away with nothing and Martial gets the most severe punishment. The punishment doesn't fit either of the crimes, so to speak. Poor all round. That reaction from Lamela is probably the worst thing about it all. Well, look at what the law actually states: A player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible. Was Lamela's deliberate, or was he just trying to shrug Bailey off and accidentally got his face? It's up to interpretation. No question for Martial though, even though Lamela milks it.
Subscriber Dan+ Posted October 4, 2020 Subscriber Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said: Neville has been pathetically bleating on the whole half about lack of signings, desperately trying to push blame anywhere but his old mate Ole. There is a lot wrong with Manchester United and their owners but sorry this is type of abject performance is on the manager. He shouldn't be commentating. Save all this crap for the analysis.
Subscriber Mel81x+ Posted October 4, 2020 Subscriber Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, Stan said: Sorry but I can't condone that kind of 'smart' when it results in a red card for another player. It's where football needs to wise up and what needs to be eradicated. Acting prowess should never be a plus in this context. I would wager if we look at the amount of yellows that have led to reds barring straight reds we'd see a lot of players capitalize on a touch in the box or a potentially non-damaging act from the opposition so what Lamela does is think for a second instead of reacting hence me calling it smart. Is it right? I don't think so but neither is diving and we've seen players get away with that so much its hard to tell whether the intent is real or an actual outcome of contact at times. I think VAR got it wrong and this after reviewing the incident, both players should be taken to the side and told not to do what they did if anything but when you've spent a season being shat on for not 'enforcing' the rules you can do two things: learn from your mistakes or take the shotgun approach to rule enforcement which is what we're seeing with VAR this season.
Rick Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 Yeah, Utd have had money. Spent enough every window. Owners getting slagged for lack of investment, which is weird since you’ve signed Maguire, Fernandes, Fred, Wan Bissaka, Sanchez and numerous others for big cash. These players don’t become fucking dreadful overnight, it’s the management not being able to get a tune out of them that’s the main issue. Ole getting away with absolute murder at that club, easy to blame the lack of investment even though it’s a myth. The likes of Neville and other pundits constantly going on about needing new players has saved his arse from the media scrutiny. Long may it continue.
Subscriber Dan+ Posted October 4, 2020 Subscriber Posted October 4, 2020 The Manchester United debate will go round and round in circles until they change ownership.
Spike Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 My word, listening to Evra is the worst thing in the world.
Inverted Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 Maguire is barely an upper mid-table defender.
The Artful Dodger Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 Pochettino is waiting for Manchester United. It just has to happen. Give themselves a chance of a decent season.
Administrator Stan Posted October 4, 2020 Author Administrator Posted October 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Cicero said: Well, look at what the law actually states: A player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible. Was Lamela's deliberate, or was he just trying to shrug Bailey off and accidentally got his face? It's up to interpretation. No question for Martial though, even though Lamela milks it. I think it's deliberate. He knows he's getting hassled a bit, knows exactly where Martial and his head/neck is, and decides to 'shrug' him off forcefully. If he does it in his chest or torso, he can easily just shrug him off there? Just doesn't make sense to me that Martial gets a red (even applying that law above) but Lamela gets absolutely nothing, despite 'deliberately striking an opponent...on the head or face with the hand or arm...'
Spike Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, Inverted said: Maguire is barely an upper mid-table defender. So he is at the right club, then
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