Honey Honey Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 The whole Bruce kept his dignity is a bit of a weird thing to say. Some of these figures seem to be just stopping themselves short of calling this a conscious uncoupling rather than sacked for being shit. Before even knowing about the takeover 94% of fans voted for him to be sacked or resign immediately.
Redcanuck Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 I liked Bruce due to his career at United, But in truth he was a terrible manager everywhere he managed. Getting Birmingham City promoted to the Premier twice was it for success as a manager.
Bluewolf Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 5 hours ago, The Premier Steve's said: Brutal If Bruce doesn't take on another job this blokes career is fucked....
Honey Honey Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Bluewolf said: If Bruce doesn't take on another job this blokes career is fucked.... Depends if Fonseca gets the job as he sounds like Borat.
Honey Honey Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 Remember when Tuchel applied for the job but Charnley hadn't heard of him so we got a recently sacked from a Championship club Steve McClaren
Inverted Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, The Premier Steve's said: Remember when Tuchel applied for the job but Charnley hadn't heard of him so we got a recently sacked from a Championship club Steve McClaren I really think it is a reasonable professional expectation that anyone in an executive position in football should know who all of the managers are in the top few leagues are. I could probably name a fair chunk of them, and I have a full time job which isn't to do with football. It is incredible how low the standards are in an industry which is so over-saturated with cash.
Honey Honey Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 With Bruce gone, once Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence are sacked we won't be the Premier Steve's anymore. A new username will be required. Answers on a postcard
LFCMadLad Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, shut up said: When you look at the squad he had at Newcastle, Bruce probably over achieved really. Sad that Newcastle fans just abused him for years. Hopefully he goes on & manages a club that has fans that don't have ridiculous expectations. Could say the same about Arteta tbh.
DeadLinesman Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 48 minutes ago, The Premier Steve's said: With Bruce gone, once Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence are sacked we won't be the Premier Steve's anymore. A new username will be required. Answers on a postcard Show Me The Khash Oggi
LFCMadLad Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, shut up said: And what's Arteta got to do with anything? You're right.. He's totally irrelevant.
Bluewolf Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 30 minutes ago, The Premier Steve's said: He's gone... you lot got what you wanted now move on........
Waylander Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 21 hours ago, Redcanuck said: I liked Bruce due to his career at United, But in truth he was a terrible manager everywhere he managed. Getting Birmingham City promoted to the Premier twice was it for success as a manager. He made a few mercenary moves in his time too as an earlier manager. Looks like loyalty wasn't big on his agenda.
Honey Honey Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, shut up said: You've got one of the poorest squads in the league. What do you expect? Didn't he finish 12th last season, just behind Everton? That's overachieving with this Newcastle squad. It's certainly not underachieving We finished 14 points behind Everton. That's not just behind. There's 8 teams in this league that are streets ahead of others. The idea that we are at the bottom of the other 12 on paper is complete rubbish. That you think we have one of the poorest squads in the league shows how Bruce-ball has really influenced your judgement of our players. We did not and do not have one of the poorest squads in the league at all. We are one of the biggest spenders of the last few years in that group of 12. Squad has been good enough to set a target of being comfortable, breaking 50 points and knocking on the door of 10th throughout the sseason. That's not what happened last year though is it? We leap frogged into 12th on the last game of the season after 3 wins in the last 4 and spending the previous 22 games between 15th and 17th. At one point the pro-Bruce pundits started saying we were going down and Fulham were staying up. Remember that? Today we are 2nd bottom, no wins in 8, on course to concede 92 goals. Set for another year of full on dogshit. I find it bizarre to think that is about right for these players. That we have been overachieving. West Ham are overachieving, to say Newcastle are is laughable.
Dr. Gonzo Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 The style of football Bruce served up compared to Rafa and his need to rely on shithousery to win matches rather than have a cohesive plan is why he's not rated by Newcastle fans. 1 minute ago, shut up said: Your squad is poor, and that's not bruceball, that because you've got poor players. You have spent money, but you've spent it badly. And look at the amount Bruce was given to spend compared to his predecessor. He had a shitload of money to spent and he couldn't build a side that can have any sort of coherent plan to get through a match. It's a combination of Bruceball tactics that were dogshite and Bruce's own poor recruitment that has Newcastle in the state they are currently in. Honestly, it's a bit like Arsenal but on a lower budget without the inept DoF... just with a more inept manager than Arteta.
Honey Honey Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 51 minutes ago, shut up said: This Newcastle squad shouldn't be knocking on the door for 10th ffs. Your squad is poor, and that's not bruceball, that because you've got poor players. You have spent money, but you've spent it badly. Joelinton and Almiron are terrible. Dwight Gayle another one you wasted money on. Bruce has done poor this season & you shouldn't be 19th, but 12th & 13th is where Bruce finished in his last two seasons, and that's about right tbh. Maybe not overachieving, but hasn't done half as badly as Newcastle fans make out. You're miles off a top 10 squad. Almiron, case and point of my argument that your judgement is impacted by Bruceball. He was superb when he joined. He made a massive difference and we started looking like a very good outfit in attack. He's regressed massively under Bruce and is regularly played out of position. Joelinton, doesn't have to play does he? It is a Steve Bruce decision to play him week in week out over others. Most fans wouldn't play him. Dwight Gayle? He was signed in the Championship years ago and doesn't get a game. Has hardly played for a long time. Odd name to mention. Of the squad Bruce inherited, probably only Manquillo got better. Everyone else got worse to different degrees. How is that not down to Bruce? I find it weird how Bruce has done no wrong in the eyes of people who've barely watched us, but then it makes sense, you'd literally have to have not watched us to even think like that. Otherwise you'd be a total moron if you actually watched it and still came out with a positive take. Don't conflate knocking on the door of 10th with a top 10 squad. It's not the same thing and it misunderstands the argument entirely. It's about being comfortable, not constantly worrying that your dog shit and going down. We finished 10th four years ago, not because we had a top 10 squad, but because we finished in the top 2 of the 12 others that year and we were ahead of those others for several weeks at the end. 50 points is usually an average of what you'd need to look at to be like that, some years you can get away with less others more, but providing you have comfort you will manage that situation. This is the story of every established club in the 12 others. Knocking on the door of the top 10 is something all should aspire to. 50 points is something that has been achieved twice by Burnley in the last 4 years, it has been achieved by Southampton, Leeds, Sheffield United, Aston Villa, West Ham, Wolves. These are not "top 10" squads. Reaching 50 points was the result of being well managed at that time. Simple as that. A simple expectation. A realistic standard to expect to work towards. A realistic reason to sack someone who doesn't seem to be progressing towards that standard. Steve Bruce floated between relegation trend panic and occasional release. Nothing more. Nothing less. Not good enough. Good bye.
Administrator Stan Posted October 21, 2021 Author Administrator Posted October 21, 2021 4 hours ago, The Premier Steve's said: With Bruce gone, once Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence are sacked we won't be the Premier Steve's anymore. A new username will be required. Answers on a postcard Saudi Howaybia
Honey Honey Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, shut up said: Sheffield United aside, these all have better squads than Newcastle. And Burnley have a better manager, so no arguments there. I'm not saying Bruce is great, & this season he was poor but your squad is below average & for you to be knocking on the door for top 10 you'd need a top manager who gets way more from the squad than their ability dictates. That man was Rafa, but that doesn't mean every manager who can't achieve that is shit. Rafa is genuinely a top manager, not many as good as him about. I think you've got the 14th best squad in the league, (so bottom three not good enough, hence the sacking) Wolves and Southampton, plus the teams that did finish above you, have a better squad of players imo. The squad differences are negligible. They'd need to have a considerably better differentiation in capabilities for it to impact outcome and they don't. The difference in outcome is simply down to management. It is for all of them. By your own logic though Steve Bruce was doing a bad job for the vast majority of last season. It doesn't really matter what I think the expectation should be, your own analysis just shows he was doing a bad job. So maybe you can understand why fans might have been unsettled during that time?
Honey Honey Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, shut up said: You judge a manager where he finishes though. The league is over 38 games. And if Rafa finishes 12th with this squad, no Newcastle fan would be kicking off about it. I think you guys made your mind up that you wouldn't give Bruce any support before the first game. Anyway, he can't complain at being sacked when you're 19th & looking to invest £££ to break the top 6. Bruce isn't the manager to do that. Let's see what the new manager can do with this squad. No you don't judge a manager like that at all. You judge a manager by making a judgment on progress, development and perceived direction. I don't know any set of supporters that do otherwise.
Machado Posted October 22, 2021 Posted October 22, 2021 Arteta Imagine having to watch two years of shit football and then when you finally get rid of the man responsible for such pain, you have to hear him play victim and witness all this senseless coverage and a flood of sympathy for nothing more than every other manager goes through.
Dave Posted October 22, 2021 Posted October 22, 2021 All people have to do is view how David Moyes has won over the support and respect of the West Ham fanbase who had a reputation for being very toxic in two seperate spells to debunk the myth that Newcastle fans would never warm to Steve Bruce.
Administrator Stan Posted October 22, 2021 Author Administrator Posted October 22, 2021 10 hours ago, Stan said: Saudi Howaybia The ignorance of this from @The Premier Steve's is actually hurting me.
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