The Artful Dodger Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, Inverted said: Apparently they've been working with a consultancy in Washington and will be targeting marginals in the next election, rather than try their luck fighting to keep the safe seats the Labour Party provided to them to allow them to establish their careers. The centre being the usual bastion of moral fortitude as they have been for the last hundred years. I can't see how Berger can go on in Wavertree, the area is massively pro-Corbyn and pro-Labour, she's just showed utter contempt for the local people who helped her achieve the most votes she ever has had in 2017. There will be chaos if she attempts to represent them in parliament. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMike Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said: Looks increasingly like Umunna et al will split off. The man himself is an incorrigible snob and it's barely plausible that he would have existed within the Labour party before Blair essentially destroyed the very premise of the Labour party. It's scandalous that a by election is not automatically triggered, they have used the Labour banner to further their career and gain a large salary. I find that bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted February 18, 2019 Administrator Share Posted February 18, 2019 Not even a day in to their existence and they're already having to apologise for this ffs Unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, Stan said: Not even a day in to their existence and they're already having to apologise for this ffs Unreal. Leave the Labour party due to racism. Have 1 in 7 of your MPs make racist statements. There is only one solution: there must be a new splinter group to reject the original splinter group's descent into racism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted February 18, 2019 Administrator Share Posted February 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, Inverted said: Leave the Labour party due to racism. Have 1 in 7 of your MPs make racist statements. There is only one solution: there must be a new splinter group to reject the original splinter group's descent into racism. The independent independent group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Stan said: The independent independent group. The Dependent Group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 still have less members than the Brexit party, I think fragmented coalitions is the future of U.K. parliaments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 What an utter mess this has become. Just over a month and a half before the leave date and the two biggest parties are in complete turmoil, knifing and shitting on each other at any given chance. I bet Owen 'The Opportunist' Smith will try his luck again at some point, especially after mentioning about people leaving Labour last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) Tbh I've given up now, the breathtaking cynicism and dishonesty at the heart of our politics is too embedded to get rid of. Whatever you think of Corbyn there is something fundamentally wrong about the way these politicians have used Labour funds, people, money to get themselves their largest ever vote and then refuse to relinquish their seat they won because of it, despite supposedly quitting on 'Principle'. They have a fundamental problem with democracy; Didn't like the Leadership vote, so agitated for his removal and then quit. Didn't like the referendum result, campaign for another one etc etc. I think I despise Chuka Umunna more than any other person in politics, it's his brand of no substance politics which has got this country in such a state. Blair, Cameron were from the same mould. This country is doomed. I'm just going to sit back and laugh at it as much as I can. Edited February 19, 2019 by The Artful Dodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Who the fuck calls people a funny tinge? Mental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 that didn't age well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I actually had an interview today for a large hotel company. They are gonna have a massive issue with supplys when we leave. Brexit could bankrupt the company. Brexiters keep insisting brexit is good for the the country but it can bring down multi million pound companies. Shorly small businesses will go bankrupt as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 What do you guys think will transpire in the weeks and months ahead? Will Brexit be reversed or will it be a hard exit, a last minute deal or a delay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 25 minutes ago, Harry said: What do you guys think will transpire in the weeks and months ahead? Will Brexit be reversed or will it be a hard exit, a last minute deal or a delay? I think it'll be a no deal Brexit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Harry said: What do you guys think will transpire in the weeks and months ahead? Will Brexit be reversed or will it be a hard exit, a last minute deal or a delay? I think it will be a no deal. I think there will be a recession. Hopefully it doesn't get to bad but there are tough times ahead I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 On 19/02/2019 at 19:47, Dr. Gonzo said: that didn't age well Noticed how the brexiteeres haven't mentioned the 350million a week that is going to the NHS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 A couple of Tories have now left to join Likud UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 11 hours ago, Gunnersauraus said: I actually had an interview today for a large hotel company. They are gonna have a massive issue with supplys when we leave. Brexit could bankrupt the company. Brexiters keep insisting brexit is good for the the country but it can bring down multi million pound companies. Shorly small businesses will go bankrupt as well Not to sound like a dick but that looks like a contradiction there. If there is a chance that they could go bankrupt when we leave, why are they hiring new staff (ie. adding to costs)? As for the small businesses (and in general for that matter), it will depend on how they adapt to market changes. If you don't adapt, you get left behind and struggle (you only need to look at the recent bigger retail stores to see that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Bluebird Hewitt said: Not to sound like a dick but that looks like a contradiction there. If there is a chance that they could go bankrupt when we leave, why are they hiring new staff (ie. adding to costs)? As for the small businesses (and in general for that matter), it will depend on how they adapt to market changes. If you don't adapt, you get left behind and struggle (you only need to look at the recent bigger retail stores to see that). Well they still need staff. The main issue is with supplys. Alot of the food produce come from the EU, and probably a lot of the cleaning produce. Changing all the menus will cost thousands of pounds. To put it in a prospective I worked in a hotel once which changed their restaurant and it cost 30 grand. That was just one restaurant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Gunnersauraus said: Well they still need staff. The main issue is with supplys. Alot of the food produce come from the EU, and probably a lot of the cleaning produce. Changing all the menus will cost thousands of pounds. To put it in a prospective I worked in a hotel once which changed their restaurant and it cost 30 grand. That was just one restaurant. Yeah, my reply (regarding staffing) was me waking up, looking at the post and not thinking 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 52 minutes ago, Bluebird Hewitt said: Yeah, my reply (regarding staffing) was me waking up, looking at the post and not thinking 100%. Don't I don't think 100% at any time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 So Corbyn has pretty much backed a second referendum, I imagine he's been badgered into this by Watson et al. I'm in two minds, I'm not keen on a second referendum, firstly because I dislike the principle of referendums at all and secondly I'm not sure it will do any good at all. A slight victory for Remain is as good as it can get for them, and then what? How can that be used a decisive? On the other hand May has backed this country into such an awful position that I'm at a loss to what we can do now, I was hopefuly for some sort of Norway style agreement but that's not going to happen. Another positive is that will possibly destroy the 'TIG' and Umunna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted February 25, 2019 Administrator Share Posted February 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said: So Corbyn has pretty much backed a second referendum, I imagine he's been badgered into this by Watson et al. I'm in two minds, I'm not keen on a second referendum, firstly because I dislike the principle of referendums at all and secondly I'm not sure it will do any good at all. A slight victory for Remain is as good as it can get for them, and then what? How can that be used a decisive? On the other hand May has backed this country into such an awful position that I'm at a loss to what we can do now, I was hopefuly for some sort of Norway style agreement but that's not going to happen. Another positive is that will possibly destroy the 'TIG' and Umunna. For ages I've wanted a 2nd referendum but that was up to a while ago, where I think it would have had much more traction and effect. I feel it's far too late now and I'm not sure if it's some kind of tactic to leave it this late to back one; I don't see the logic in it anyway. It'd have to be a significantly higher victory than Leave had in 2016 for it to hold any weight. And as I genuinely don't know the answers - will a 2nd referendum even work? Is it possible to have Article 50 postponed while the vote happens and then ultimately revoked if there's a big Remain victory? I get the feeling there's a lot of apathy in the country now and people just really want to get Brexit over and done with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, The Artful Dodger said: So Corbyn has pretty much backed a second referendum, I imagine he's been badgered into this by Watson et al. I'm in two minds, I'm not keen on a second referendum, firstly because I dislike the principle of referendums at all and secondly I'm not sure it will do any good at all. A slight victory for Remain is as good as it can get for them, and then what? How can that be used a decisive? On the other hand May has backed this country into such an awful position that I'm at a loss to what we can do now, I was hopefuly for some sort of Norway style agreement but that's not going to happen. Another positive is that will possibly destroy the 'TIG' and Umunna. I'm also not keen on a second referendum for the same reasons. I thought the first referendum was stupid and a bad idea for the electorate to make a decision on - and ultimately if the result goes against the original referendum's results... it only really highlights that referendums are stupid. But like you say, what other choices do we have. The EU's saying they're not going to renegotiate a new deal - so there's the May deal that pretty much nobody likes. We could go with that... but nobody likes it. We can delay Article 50 and postpone Brexit, but if the EU is truly not going to negotiate a new deal... that gives us a choice between no deal or the May deal. So that's putting us back in the same position, but only delaying the chance for this to be finally resolved. The third option is parliament withdrawing Article 50 and just ending Brexit... but it's unlikely MPs will do that, because they don't want to deal with the yOu ArE sUbVeRtInG dEmOcRaCy crowd A second referendum is the best of 4 bad positions our government can take imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted February 25, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) A second referendum is a good get out but does set a dangerous precedent for all future votes of any sort of similar nature. Personally I think the best thing for the country could be to go ahead with a no deal Brexit and suffer like fuck for a few years. Right now we have a calamitous government who stumble from one failure to the next, an opposition party with a leader who did a decent job during the snap election but is in many ways unelectable as a prime minister, and a clueless electorate who are stupid enough to vote based on sentiment and which politicians they find the most charismatic than any logic or feasible reasoning. We're so far down this road now that we deserve what we get. Just have to hope some of the idiots learn something along the way and wise up a bit. Edited February 25, 2019 by RandoEFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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