Dr. Gonzo Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 18 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said: India is the latest country to sell up their dollar reserve, it's a slow bleed with long term effects. Financial analysts are concerned and it will gain traction. The st Petersburg economic forum was recently held and the theme was selling up the US dollar reserve. It will not alone crash the dollar, it will however mean that to trade will require the dollar to be converted at mark up rates. The interest is less exploitation but the long term will be a gradual slide in the dollar and rampant inflation with far to many dollars going around. India’s literally got the highest dollar reserve that it’s ever had lmao. Why are we even talking about BRICS? It’s not relevant to the UK. It’s barely relevant on the global stage, but it’s not relevant to the UK at all. 5 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said: The biggest cry is cost of living and collapsing social systems, so how is bring in 3m immigrants who need to saturate social systems helping exactly? Reform are being labelled to try scare voters, worst case they are center right. Reform is the party of one of the architects of the cost of living crisis and collapsing social systems. 20 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said: Nations were created on the right of each nation to self determine and through it cultures, customs and practices develop. Globalism which is the leftist utopia is the destruction of nationhood and the establishment of a one over all. Rejecting it is not bigoted, it is just rejecting the move back to empires and monarchs. “I love ethnonationalism” - a guy who’s emigrated twice in his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, OrangeKhrush said: Nations were created on the right of each nation to self determine and through it cultures, customs and practices develop. Globalism which is the leftist utopia is the destruction of nationhood and the establishment of a one over all. Rejecting it is not bigoted, it is just rejecting the move back to empires and monarchs. Globalism,as it's practiced, is first and foremost a capitalist wet dream and therefore not leftist. You're mixing up globalism with internationalism which are inherently different things. As said many times before read some political theory. Edited June 12 by Rucksackfranzose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted June 12 Subscriber Share Posted June 12 38 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said: Brandishing alt right or far right which in most cases is objectively false is a means to try create extremism where there isnt. I saw enough videos on st George's and veterans day to see how being patriotic is punished to know that there is a greater threat. Labours policy is to bring in more immigrants, it is sold as "liberal" but the goal is to dilute nationalism which is not inherently bad to create a super majority and avoid constitutional process altogether. The biggest cry is cost of living and collapsing social systems, so how is bring in 3m immigrants who need to saturate social systems helping exactly? Reform are being labelled to try scare voters, worst case they are center right. Literally every single word of this is just so vastly incorrect and easily disprovable that I can't even be arsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted June 12 Administrator Share Posted June 12 2 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said: Brandishing alt right or far right which in most cases is objectively false is a means to try create extremism where there isnt. I saw enough videos on st George's and veterans day to see how being patriotic is punished to know that there is a greater threat. Labours policy is to bring in more immigrants, it is sold as "liberal" but the goal is to dilute nationalism which is not inherently bad to create a super majority and avoid constitutional process altogether. The biggest cry is cost of living and collapsing social systems, so how is bring in 3m immigrants who need to saturate social systems helping exactly? Reform are being labelled to try scare voters, worst case they are center right. Not sure who's more out of touch with reality - you or Rishi Sunak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted June 12 Subscriber Share Posted June 12 I am really frustrated with Starmer to be honest. I gave him the benefit of the doubt when he took the safe, centrist route up against Johnson who was actually electorally popular and might have clawed back ground in a campaign. Ever since Liz Truss and increasingly so in the past year under Sunak, it's been abundantly clear that the next government would be a Labour majority unless something absolutely incredible happened. There are projections coming out that they could win 450+ seats here and yet he's still so scared of coming out with a policy that he'll get slated for that he didn't even answer straightforward questions at that last debate. There's always been two explanations behind his cautious policies and taking up of positions. One is that he just is a massive centrist who only campaigned for Corbyn's manifesto in 2017 and 2019 because that was the party line. The other explanation is that he's actually quite left-wing but he's toned it down strategically so that the right-wing press and Tories don't have much to attack him over. I've believed the latter but it's hard to keep that up now. I think he could come out and back communism in it's purest form tomorrow and still wake up on July 6th with a comfortable majority. The political space is there now for him to take some bold positions and actually try to make the country meaningfully better for the majority of people. I get the excuse that there's a lot less money to play with now compared to three years ago since Truss destroyed the economy but there's definitely things Labour could do now to support public services, the environment and tackle poverty that they've so far refused to back out loud. You can't blame anyone for coming to the conclusion that he's actually quite happy to sit in the centre (some would say even to the right of centre to be honest) and just be in power for the sake of it rather than using a fleeting window of non-Tory government to tackle all of the problems caused by their conservatism and austerity. I'll give him a chance when he's in power. He'll be better overall than the Tories have been but I'm not very optimistic that we'll be able to hail him for more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 4 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: India’s literally got the highest dollar reserve that it’s ever had lmao. Why are we even talking about BRICS? It’s not relevant to the UK. It’s barely relevant on the global stage, but it’s not relevant to the UK at all. Reform is the party of one of the architects of the cost of living crisis and collapsing social systems. “I love ethnonationalism” - a guy who’s emigrated twice in his life. Nationalism and ethnonationalism are not hand in hand components, and neither is bad. Japan would be regarded as ethnonational but that is to preserve Japanese culture, the allow a certain level of immigration and require that the person immigrating offer something to their society. Civic nationalism is what constitutional democracies are founded upon, by wanting to reduce immigration particularly illegal immigration it is not a form of fascism. At the height of Europe and America the society has been culturally diverse with the underlying reason being it was extremely difficult to immigrate as you were thoroughly vetted before they just let you in. I think it is this misunderstanding that nationalism = fascism or nationalism = bad. Reform UK established in 2018 are to blame for the policies enacted by labour/tori governments? that is a stretch. Recent article on India agreeing to ditch the US dollar in phases starting from June 2024, they signed a deal with Russian Oil for 300 million barrels paid in Rupees. The process will be slow but it will eventually impact on global trade, the more nations that sign up will speed up the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 4 hours ago, Rucksackfranzose said: Globalism,as it's practiced, is first and foremost a capitalist wet dream and therefore not leftist. You're mixing up globalism with internationalism which are inherently different things. As said many times before read some political theory. It is the Davos crowd that want to control money, energy and food to push this "you own nothing and be happy" mantra, all of them fund the Gretha crews and stop oil, they imposed restrictions on farming and agriculture through resolutions passed by unelected people. Most of these proxies are left wing groups. If we are talking about traditional left or colloquially referred to as liberals, they are in favour of capitalism, prosperity, security, a non invasive government, equality, pretty much what run of the mill conservatives want, far right kind of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, OrangeKhrush said: It is the Davos crowd that want to control money, energy and food to push this "you own nothing and be happy" mantra, all of them fund the Gretha crews and stop oil, they imposed restrictions on farming and agriculture through resolutions passed by unelected people. Most of these proxies are left wing groups. If we are talking about traditional left or colloquially referred to as liberals, they are in favour of capitalism, prosperity, security, a non invasive government, equality, pretty much what run of the mill conservatives want, far right kind of things. You're aware there's a reason why most liberal parties are placed on the right side of the parliament in those parliaments with those parliaments where the speaker(s) are seated in front of the deputies? Yes, because liberals are right of the centre. Only the US where no real left wing exists call liberals left. So no not leftist, although liberal. To the bolded part, since when is equality a right wing thing. The very right Kingdom of Prussia even had the three class voting right, where the richest part on inhabitants that owned a of the countries part third got 3 votes, that part that belong to thios class but owned together with 2 third of the countries wealth got 2, and the remainder more than 50 % of the population got 1. And before you're arguing these times were long gone: may I remind you of South African apartheid which was a right wing system? Or would you prefer me to refer to the US race segration? Equality a far right thing, really you're suffering with political right left weahness. Edited June 12 by Rucksackfranzose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Right wing ideology inherently believes in social hierarchies and therefore excludes itself from equality. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, OrangeKhrush said: Nationalism and ethnonationalism are not hand in hand components, and neither is bad. Japan would be regarded as ethnonational but that is to preserve Japanese culture, the allow a certain level of immigration and require that the person immigrating offer something to their society. Civic nationalism is what constitutional democracies are founded upon, by wanting to reduce immigration particularly illegal immigration it is not a form of fascism. At the height of Europe and America the society has been culturally diverse with the underlying reason being it was extremely difficult to immigrate as you were thoroughly vetted before they just let you in. I think it is this misunderstanding that nationalism = fascism or nationalism = bad. Reform UK established in 2018 are to blame for the policies enacted by labour/tori governments? that is a stretch. Recent article on India agreeing to ditch the US dollar in phases starting from June 2024, they signed a deal with Russian Oil for 300 million barrels paid in Rupees. The process will be slow but it will eventually impact on global trade, the more nations that sign up will speed up the process. Ethnonationalism has been the direct cause of some of the worst atrocities humans are capable of - it is absolutely bad and the people who push ethnonationalism are dangerous. Wanting to reduce illegal immigration is not a form of fascism. Fear mongering all immigrants and making it seem like a country is completely bombarded with terrorists and criminals, when it's not even taking in all that many immigrants/refugees on the grand scale of things, is a fascist move to gain power. Nationalism and stupidity caused WW1. Patriotism isn't bad, nationalism is - conflating the two is dangerous. Reform UK's a brainchild of Nigel Farage, one of the architects of the disaster that Brexit has been. That the party has only existed since 2018 does note absolve Farage of his role in the economic catastrophe he's a part of. Recent articles on India show that India's got more US dollars in federal reserve currency than they ever have before. BRICS is a joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 8 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said: Nations were created on the right of each nation to self determine and through it cultures, customs and practices develop. Globalism which is the leftist utopia is the destruction of nationhood and the establishment of a one over all. Rejecting it is not bigoted, it is just rejecting the move back to empires and monarchs. The first paragraph is a wild thing for a Zionist, that believes in fully controlling Palestinians, to say... Also, that doesn't mean having to take a hostile stance towards everything you don't identify with. That's just down to personal insecurity and a mentally lazy way of blaming everything in your life on "different people". Edited June 12 by 6666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr. Gonzo Posted Wednesday at 23:01 Share Posted Wednesday at 23:01 On 12/06/2024 at 11:23, 6666 said: The first paragraph is a wild thing for a Zionist, that believes in fully controlling Palestinians, to say... Also, that doesn't mean having to take a hostile stance towards everything you don't identify with. That's just down to personal insecurity and a mentally lazy way of blaming everything in your life on "different people". His second paragraph is also wild tbh. "Globalism which is the leftist utopia is the destruction of nationhood and the establishment of a one over all. Rejecting it is not bigoted, its just rejecting the move back to empires and monarchs." Let's break it down. First is the term "globalism" - which the alt right and far right love to rally against. The alt-right and far right also use "globalist" as a politically correct slur for Jews https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/the-origins-of-the-globalist-slur/555479/ - so it's interesting to see a passionate zionist use the term lol. But secondly, "globalism is a leftist utopia" - but often when the right criticises globalism, I'm not sure what the fuck they're actually talking about. Do they mean the modern global economy? The modern global economy which is... dominated by the US? Because the US government is pretty far from leftist. Joe Biden, this so called left leaning socialist, would be a tory in UK politics... So if we take him to mean "globalism" as "the US global hegemony" - I think by definition, globalism isn't a leftist utopia. If anything it's a pretty right-leaning ideal. Next, let's dissect the claim that "globalism [...] is the destruction of nationhood and the establishment of one over all." As far as I can tell, nationhood still exists. There are different countries all around the world still, we've been watching an international football tournament where nations are represented by their national teams. Has the US been able to assert it's will over every country in the world? Well right now we've got Russia having invaded Ukraine and continuing their long war, against the US wishes. We've got Israel's government in an open rift with the US government. So I think it's fair to state that the claim that this globalist world we're living in has not led to the destruction of nationhood, nor have we seen the establishment of one over all. Next, we see a claim that a rejection of globalism is a rejection of the move back to empires and monarchs. Let's disregard the monarch claim because: 1.) there's several countries in the world that still have absolute monarchies, 2.) lol... if we're breaking his statement down at face value we're talking about US global hegemony - who exactly is the monarch of the United States? So let's just discuss the empire claim. The country that's most openly stated they reject US global hegemony is Russia. Russia is currently engaged in an expansionist war, trying to take away sovereignty from its neighbor in a move that can best be described as Putin desperately wishing he was ruling Imperial Russia. So the country most openly rejecting what most far-right people would call globalism is in fact... acting imperialistically. And returning back to that "establishment of a one over all" claim is so funny when someone who's a believer in BRICS makes the claim. BRICS is an attempt to challenge US economic hegemony... but because China is by far and away the biggest economic player in BRICS, they dominate BRICS (this is very much reflected by BRICS's New Development Bank's loans and funding). A believer in BRICS is a believer in China's economic rule over the other member states. And that's ignoring the fact that BRICS is a joke - they'll never be an effective economic union so long as the member states aren't anywhere close to having the same economic goals. It's just a paragraph of word salad put together with various buzzwords... but without much thought into what those words actually mean. It's bizarre. I think it's wild he can demonstrate so little knowledge about what he seems to so passionately hold as his political beliefs. In one sentence we've got a zionist using anti-semetic rhetoric... and then following it up with a hypocritical and nonsense statement. It's bizarre isn't it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted yesterday at 06:43 Administrator Share Posted yesterday at 06:43 Pricks like this drive the agenda, but refuse to look at themselves for some reflection... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted yesterday at 08:28 Share Posted yesterday at 08:28 1 hour ago, Stan said: Pricks like this drive the agenda, but refuse to look at themselves for some reflection... What I don't understand is with that criminal record it should not be a problem to get a job as eg a bouncer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted yesterday at 14:49 Administrator Share Posted yesterday at 14:49 6 hours ago, Rucksackfranzose said: What I don't understand is with that criminal record it should not be a problem to get a job as eg a bouncer. Turns out he was lying, and he's a nonce not just someone done for assault! https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/13930528.jason-oldacre-45-repeatedly-molested-girl-7-swindon-court-hears/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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