SirBalon 2,692 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 minute ago, LFCMadLad said: We've actually already made two bids for him. The first for £66m and the second for around £75m. That would more than double our record transfer paid and to me shows ambition. There's only so far you can go though but if they don't want to sell, they don't want to sell. I get why you feel that shows ambition because you're using a comparison on what you've previously spent. But you know where the market has gone this summer and the Neymar move to PSG has made things even worse (as if hadn't gone mental already before that move). But that isn't good enough considering where the market is and I'll tell you this... If Walker goes to Man City for 50 odd million, then Keita is worth double that mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 minute ago, SirBalon said: I get why you feel that shows ambition because you're using a comparison on what you've previously spent. But you know where the market has gone this summer and the Neymar move to PSG has made things even worse (as if hadn't gone mental already before that move). But that isn't good enough considering where the market is and I'll tell you this... If Walker goes to Man City for 50 odd million, then Keita is worth double that mate. Agree, the man's a machine. If we lost Coutinho and got Kieta then I'd not be half as upset. Love to have both mind. This was our best time to get him as well because next summer his release clause of €58m comes into effect and I'm sure ALL the top clubs will be after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,206 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 I can see why selling Coutinho so late would be destructive to your season, but let's face it Liverpool aren't big enough to keep players from Barce, if he wants to leave he will leave be it this window or the next. The only club in the world big enough to do that is Real Madrid. If you sold him and got the reported £80m+ and then brought in VVD and Keita, would you really have had a bad transfer window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 37 minutes ago, Danny said: I can see why selling Coutinho so late would be destructive to your season, but let's face it Liverpool aren't big enough to keep players from Barce, if he wants to leave he will leave be it this window or the next. The only club in the world big enough to do that is Real Madrid. If you sold him and got the reported £80m+ and then brought in VVD and Keita, would you really have had a bad transfer window? I'd be happy enough with that! Agree with the rest of your post too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 49 minutes ago, Teso dos Bichos said: maybe keita doesnt want to play for a coach with such a terrible finals record. 😂😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMike 3,009 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 7 hours ago, Danny said: I can see why selling Coutinho so late would be destructive to your season, but let's face it Liverpool aren't big enough to keep players from Barce, if he wants to leave he will leave be it this window or the next. The only club in the world big enough to do that is Real Madrid. If you sold him and got the reported £80m+ and then brought in VVD and Keita, would you really have had a bad transfer window? Not bad but I still don't think we'd have built on what we had either. Like you say he'll leave eventually so tell him he's not going until next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 1,437 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 13 hours ago, Danny said: I can see why selling Coutinho so late would be destructive to your season, but let's face it Liverpool aren't big enough to keep players from Barce, if he wants to leave he will leave be it this window or the next. The only club in the world big enough to do that is Real Madrid. If you sold him and got the reported £80m+ and then brought in VVD and Keita, would you really have had a bad transfer window? What's key is to drive a price that is so unreasonably high that even if successful nobody will bother trying again next time.... 85m would be a pissweak fee for a player we massively do not want to sell add at such a key point in the window. I'd be asking for 100% of the Neymar money plus 1 pound to sell this late in the window. Why not? What have we ever gotten from being nice to Barca? You want to be a horrible unreasonable C in these things so people never come back to deal with you again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,663 Posted August 9, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted August 9, 2017 Liverpool appear to have an okay position here where if they block the transfer they won't necessarily have an unhappy player left at the club which isn't something Swansea have with Sigurdsson or Southampton with Van Dijk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 1,437 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Just now, RandoEFC said: Liverpool appear to have an okay position here where if they block the transfer they won't necessarily have an unhappy player left at the club which isn't something Swansea have with Sigurdsson or Southampton with Van Dijk. That's the case for now. I hope Coutinho knows it would be harsh to leave now and we'd be telling him he could go next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Gold 599 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Melissa Reddy, who's very good for Liverpool stuff despite working for goal.com (could be wrong, but I think she used to work for the club) has reiterated that we're not selling Coutinho and reports yesterday that the deal is done were untrue. Imagine my shock https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/liverpool-have-not-agreed-109m-move-for-philippe-coutinho-to/1n2136r7rjrrf1w9uvfro8iyka 13 hours ago, Danny said: I can see why selling Coutinho so late would be destructive to your season, but let's face it Liverpool aren't big enough to keep players from Barce, if he wants to leave he will leave be it this window or the next. The only club in the world big enough to do that is Real Madrid. If you sold him and got the reported £80m+ and then brought in VVD and Keita, would you really have had a bad transfer window? Leipzig rejected £72m for Keita and have repeatedly said he's not for sale, so there's no way £80m would be enough to get him. Accepting that fee from Barcelona for Coutinho would be a joke. If you offered me van Dijk and Keita for Coutinho at the start of the window, I'd probably have reluctantly taken it, but it's far too late now. We kick off against Watford in three days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Gold 599 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 We've rejected a second offer. €100m/£90m this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 This is where it should stop! If Barça can't sign anyone this window due to these ridiculous prices that are overboard, then they should hold onto the money and wait for the next window or next summer. That's way more money than he's worth as a player (not talking about what he's worth to Liverpool) and obviously Liverpool need him a hell of a lot more which they're showing. This is where it should end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 1,437 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 All larger teams should focus on their own youth development as its no longer economically viable to sign players. Prices are in a bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 1,437 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 They should buy a club in the Dutch league and loan them all their youth players do they can develop to world class before breaking into the first 11... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,206 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 9 hours ago, Harry said: What's key is to drive a price that is so unreasonably high that even if successful nobody will bother trying again next time.... 85m would be a pissweak fee for a player we massively do not want to sell add at such a key point in the window. I'd be asking for 100% of the Neymar money plus 1 pound to sell this late in the window. Why not? What have we ever gotten from being nice to Barca? You want to be a horrible unreasonable C in these things so people never come back to deal with you again. As I've said before you should at least be after more than what Pogba went for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,663 Posted August 10, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted August 10, 2017 This one depends on how much Barcelona want to up the ante and push this through. I do get the feeling they can either pay way over the odds now, or do a reasonable deal in a year's time. The longer it goes on I think the more Coutinho gets itchy feet and starts thinking about how Liverpool have sort of stood still this summer and missed out on their two biggest targets. If I were the club I'd probably cease with the "he'll leave over my dead body" stance because every player has his price and when Barcelona make an offer that's too good to refuse Liverpool either accept it and anger the fans because they've lied about it or turn it down knowing that deal might never be on the table again. Sources can say all they want, for me it's 50/50 whether this happens. Are Barcelona linked with any alternatives in the same position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted August 10, 2017 Author Share Posted August 10, 2017 3 hours ago, RandoEFC said: This one depends on how much Barcelona want to up the ante and push this through. I do get the feeling they can either pay way over the odds now, or do a reasonable deal in a year's time. The longer it goes on I think the more Coutinho gets itchy feet and starts thinking about how Liverpool have sort of stood still this summer and missed out on their two biggest targets. If I were the club I'd probably cease with the "he'll leave over my dead body" stance because every player has his price and when Barcelona make an offer that's too good to refuse Liverpool either accept it and anger the fans because they've lied about it or turn it down knowing that deal might never be on the table again. Sources can say all they want, for me it's 50/50 whether this happens. Are Barcelona linked with any alternatives in the same position? Dembele of Dortmund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ 3,613 Posted August 10, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted August 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: Dembele of Dortmund. Isn't that deal already done? NVM same transfer saga template different player name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted August 10, 2017 Author Share Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Mel81x said: Isn't that deal already done? NVM same transfer saga template different player name. Not that I'm aware mate? Think Dortmund are holding out for about £130m last I heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ 3,613 Posted August 10, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted August 10, 2017 Just now, LFCMadLad said: Not that I'm aware mate? Think Dortmund are holding out for about £130m last I heard. Yeah heard they bumped the price and I was under the impression this was a done deal already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted August 10, 2017 Author Share Posted August 10, 2017 Just now, Mel81x said: Yeah heard they bumped the price and I was under the impression this was a done deal already. Not officially I don't think. Anyway, it's lovely seeing Barcelona getting rinsed left, right and centre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 3 hours ago, LFCMadLad said: Dembele of Dortmund. Dembélé is a whole different deal and nothing to do with Coutinho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 1,437 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Does Messis new contact have a buyout clause? It would probably need to be a couple billion based on this summer's spike in valuations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, Harry said: Does Messis new contact have a buyout clause? It would probably need to be a couple billion based on this summer's spike in valuations... It does... €450m But Messi would never do a Neymar for obvious reasons and if he ever were to leave to try something else, Barça wouldn't stop him and an agreement would be sorted out as he's given everything to the club and has been loyal forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted August 10, 2017 Author Share Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, SirBalon said: Dembélé is a whole different deal and nothing to do with Coutinho. I take it Barca plan to play Coutinho deeper in midfield then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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