Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak

[Mpache]

1 hour ago, LFCMike said:

My grandad is really unwell with Covid. He tested positive last week. Didn't show any symptoms at first but has got worse as the week has gone on. He's 88 now and has had health problems since his 60s. In and out of hospital since my Grandma passed away in 2012 but he's always pulled through, even when things looked against him. We got to go and see him in the care home individually today as it seems like the end for him now. Wouldn't put it passed him to pull through again but like I say, unfortunately seems like one too many for him this time

Very sorry to hear that mate. My grandmother is only slightly younger and we're worried about her as well. I'll keep yours in my thoughts though.

[Mpache]

So I just learned one of my uncles in Peru is vaccinated and participated in the trials for the Chinese vaccine. Small world innit.

@nudge

Edited January 31, 2021 by Mpache

[Bluebird Hewitt]

13 hours ago, LFCMike said:

My grandad is really unwell with Covid. He tested positive last week. Didn't show any symptoms at first but has got worse as the week has gone on. He's 88 now and has had health problems since his 60s. In and out of hospital since my Grandma passed away in 2012 but he's always pulled through, even when things looked against him. We got to go and see him in the care home individually today as it seems like the end for him now. Wouldn't put it passed him to pull through again but like I say, unfortunately seems like one too many for him this time

Sorry to hear about that. 

[The Artful Dodger]

Covid-19: Isle of Man ends second lockdown - BBC News

Anyone else up for getting a speedboat over to the Isle of Man? Can crash on @RandoEFC couch? No masks, no social distancing, pubs open....lucky bastard.

[The Artful Dodger]

20 hours ago, LFCMike said:

My grandad is really unwell with Covid. He tested positive last week. Didn't show any symptoms at first but has got worse as the week has gone on. He's 88 now and has had health problems since his 60s. In and out of hospital since my Grandma passed away in 2012 but he's always pulled through, even when things looked against him. We got to go and see him in the care home individually today as it seems like the end for him now. Wouldn't put it passed him to pull through again but like I say, unfortunately seems like one too many for him this time

The headlines news is of course the amount of deaths but a great many people who get very ill will get better. Still hope there. Fingers crossed.

[RandoEFC+]

15 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Covid-19: Isle of Man ends second lockdown - BBC News

Anyone else up for getting a speedboat over to the Isle of Man? Can crash on @RandoEFC couch? No masks, no social distancing, pubs open....lucky bastard.

Yeah very lucky for us, we were only back in lockdown for the last few weeks but it felt insanely hard compared to the first longer lockdown. It's hard to know why really but it does make you realise why so many people in the UK bend the rules having been living under some sort of restriction for almost a year.

[JoshBRFC+]

6 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Covid-19: Isle of Man ends second lockdown - BBC News

Anyone else up for getting a speedboat over to the Isle of Man? Can crash on @RandoEFC couch? No masks, no social distancing, pubs open....lucky bastard.

I’ve just seen this on the news. Brilliant for them!

Amazing! 

[RandoEFC+]

What's weird is we came out of lockdown at the end of May and lived normal life aside from stringent border restrictions for 7 months and it hardly got any attention, back into lockdown for less than 4 weeks and now it's national news that we're out of it again. 

[carefreeluke]

On 31/01/2021 at 20:51, LFCMike said:

My grandad is really unwell with Covid. He tested positive last week. Didn't show any symptoms at first but has got worse as the week has gone on. He's 88 now and has had health problems since his 60s. In and out of hospital since my Grandma passed away in 2012 but he's always pulled through, even when things looked against him. We got to go and see him in the care home individually today as it seems like the end for him now. Wouldn't put it passed him to pull through again but like I say, unfortunately seems like one too many for him this time

Sorry to hear that mate. Hopefully, he recovers. 

[LFCMike]

 

[Danny]

On 27/01/2021 at 09:14, RandoEFC said:

Makes sense. I'm really not liking this underlying UK vs EU dynamic that's seems to be bubbling just under the surface.

Not that I think it’ll end up in a war, but there is now the sort of tension that politicians can use to better their careers at the expense of the people, and there is now a divide where in the past politicians globally have been able to push a conflict into the people but stoking up hatred

[Honey Honey]

You two have been lapping that shit up and fuelling it for a couple of years 

[nudge+]

 

 

[RandoEFC+]

1 hour ago, Steve Bruce Almighty said:

You two have been lapping that shit up and fuelling it for a couple of years 

Harsh I think, I can only speak for myself but I've always tried to come at my pro-Remain/socialist political views from a 'better together' perspective and not "all Brexit voters are massive racists and Tories are all scum". Admittedly, I care enough about it to get cross sometimes but I can't help that and I won't apologise for it. Being apathetic or staying out of it is fine but some people need to be passionate about things like honesty and fairness or they'll cease to exist.

You're a highly intelligent and knowledgeable guy, I think you have better contributions to make to discussions like this than persistently dismissing or laughing off people who come on here and express their views. For me personally, I like to get shit that makes me cross off my chest. This place is one of the best places to do that because it doesn't mean inflicting emotionally or politically charged views about the world on the people around me in real life who mostly don't care as much as I do and can't really do anything about it, while being more personal and less toxic than places like Twitter and Reddit.

You said a while ago when a few of us were getting upset because literally thousands of people in the UK were/are dying and government incompetence was contributing to it, and that we need to be less partisan because we're "representing the Labour Party" or something. I gave it some thought at the time but at the end of the day, it's an Internet forum, we're all just anonymous dickheads at the end of the day. I don't come on here to post this stuff because I think I'm changing the world by doing so, or campaigning for a cause or a political party, I do it because it's a good place to come and get stuff off your chest. I try to conduct my life day to day with compassion and I genuinely care about people looking after each other and helping each other have better lives, and I believe the stuff I post is mostly consistent with those views on here (not always, nobody's perfect) so I'm just not having the "fuelled" part of this comment if it's aimed at me. Lapping up I think is a misrepresentation too but I'll accept it on the basis that you're referring to me getting wound up by stuff that's intended to wind people like me up.

We're all different, I don't know whether or not you have the same world views or political views as me or not, whether the same things wind you up and you just have a better outlet than me for reacting to it and getting on with your day but coming on here and mouthing off and maybe taking it a bit beyond being reasonable sometimes is what works for me. I just want that to be clear. Call it a "safe space" if you want but be in no doubt that I'm perfectly aware that there's a world outside this place and Twitter. In fact, the majority of my friends probably couldn't even tell you what my political views are. Perhaps this explanation will give you a slightly different perspective the next time you make a comment like this because it's not the first time you've said something pretty dismissive that's come across (very possibly only to me because you certainly haven't put it into words yourself) along the lines of thinking that me and others are simply being tribal, thoughtless and a bit over the top while you're a little bit above it all without really having to explain why. If you think different and you're arsed about it then you won't stop it from being an echo chamber by saying nothing. If you're not arsed about it then I suppose that's fair enough too. I'm happy to be challenged and set right on stuff where necessary, you and nudge explained the global vaccine program to me and others less than a week ago after we were talking about how there should be one.

[RandoEFC+]

Looks like the UK has called it right on the three month gap with at least the AZ vaccine:

 

[Stan]

14 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

Looks like the UK has called it right on the three month gap with at least the AZ vaccine:

 

And could stop transmission... 

 

 

[Honey Honey]

56 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

Harsh I think, I can only speak for myself but I've always tried to come at my pro-Remain/socialist political views from a 'better together' perspective and not "all Brexit voters are massive racists and Tories are all scum". Admittedly, I care enough about it to get cross sometimes but I can't help that and I won't apologise for it. Being apathetic or staying out of it is fine but some people need to be passionate about things like honesty and fairness or they'll cease to exist.

You're a highly intelligent and knowledgeable guy, I think you have better contributions to make to discussions like this than persistently dismissing or laughing off people who come on here and express their views. For me personally, I like to get shit that makes me cross off my chest. This place is one of the best places to do that because it doesn't mean inflicting emotionally or politically charged views about the world on the people around me in real life who mostly don't care as much as I do and can't really do anything about it, while being more personal and less toxic than places like Twitter and Reddit.

You said a while ago when a few of us were getting upset because literally thousands of people in the UK were/are dying and government incompetence was contributing to it, and that we need to be less partisan because we're "representing the Labour Party" or something. I gave it some thought at the time but at the end of the day, it's an Internet forum, we're all just anonymous dickheads at the end of the day. I don't come on here to post this stuff because I think I'm changing the world by doing so, or campaigning for a cause or a political party, I do it because it's a good place to come and get stuff off your chest. I try to conduct my life day to day with compassion and I genuinely care about people looking after each other and helping each other have better lives, and I believe the stuff I post is mostly consistent with those views on here (not always, nobody's perfect) so I'm just not having the "fuelled" part of this comment if it's aimed at me. Lapping up I think is a misrepresentation too but I'll accept it on the basis that you're referring to me getting wound up by stuff that's intended to wind people like me up.

We're all different, I don't know whether or not you have the same world views or political views as me or not, whether the same things wind you up and you just have a better outlet than me for reacting to it and getting on with your day but coming on here and mouthing off and maybe taking it a bit beyond being reasonable sometimes is what works for me. I just want that to be clear. Call it a "safe space" if you want but be in no doubt that I'm perfectly aware that there's a world outside this place and Twitter. In fact, the majority of my friends probably couldn't even tell you what my political views are. Perhaps this explanation will give you a slightly different perspective the next time you make a comment like this because it's not the first time you've said something pretty dismissive that's come across (very possibly only to me because you certainly haven't put it into words yourself) along the lines of thinking that me and others are simply being tribal, thoughtless and a bit over the top while you're a little bit above it all without really having to explain why. If you think different and you're arsed about it then you won't stop it from being an echo chamber by saying nothing. If you're not arsed about it then I suppose that's fair enough too. I'm happy to be challenged and set right on stuff where necessary, you and nudge explained the global vaccine program to me and others less than a week ago after we were talking about how there should be one.

I apologise for the lack of effort and explanation on my part or any offence caused then or again in 2 seconds. 

I'll give you an example of what I meant. You said these two things in the same thread

"I'm really not liking this underlying UK vs EU dynamic"

And 2 weeks earlier 

"I expect nothing from the US or UK under current leadership but hopefully there will at least be some compassion from the EU"

You have said the word Brexit 12 times in about a month in a coronavirus thread. 

This is why I said you lap it up and fuel it. I do believe you inject it into your veins by choice.

[Stan]

Good link to keep track of vaccine data here:

https://data.spectator.co.uk/city/vaccines

[RandoEFC+]

25 minutes ago, Steve Bruce Almighty said:

apologise for the lack of effort and explanation on my part or any offence caused then or again in 2 seconds. 

I'll give you an example of what I meant. You said these two things in the same thread

"I'm really not liking this underlying UK vs EU dynamic"

And 2 weeks earlier 

"I expect nothing from the US or UK under current leadership but hopefully there will at least be some compassion from the EU"

I do see where you're coming from but I still don't think this is an entirely fair comparison. The first comment you quoted is me not wanting to see the UK or the EU engage in hostile behaviour against each other because it isn't good for anyone. UK vs EU in the context of an actual conflict between the two. I'd rather see us work together.

The second comment is harsh on the UK leadership in retrospect but reflective of the EU being an embodiment of international cooperation with the UK being minded to remove themselves from that. The US at the time were still led by Trump so I stand by that part of it. But on the UK part it's a lazily worded comparison that's aged horribly in light of the European Commission's behaviour last weekend, I can admit that. You'll have to forgive me, I try my best to be thoughtful most of the time but sometimes I'm just a dickhead on a forum who lazily posts what I feel like without bothering to think it through properly. 

However, I don't think this contradicts the first point because this is UK vs EU in the context of a comparison between the two and their apparent world views.

25 minutes ago, Steve Bruce Almighty said:

You have said the word Brexit 12 times in about a month in a coronavirus thread. 

This is why I said you lap it up and fuel it. I do believe you inject it into your veins by choice

I'm not going to go back and count them and when they were but to be fair, the whole vaccine procurement episode and the drama between Astra Zeneca and the EU had the Northern Irish border and Brexit at its heart so that's hardly surprising. We also discussed before January the false claims made by some politicians that the UK was able to approve the Coronavirus vaccines earlier than the EU were because of Brexit, then I asked what on earth Europe were doing and why they weren't getting on with vaccinations out of curiosity. The comparisons that can be drawn between the UK's vaccination success and the relative struggles of our closest neighbours wouldn't exist if not for Brexit. These two things have crossed paths with each other constantly over the past month, it's not like it's irrelevant. You should also see from my slating of the European Commission last week that I'm not just banging a "EU good, Brexit bad" drum constantly.

I might lap it up in the sense that I pay attention to the news and like to talk about what's going on. But the phrases you're using imply a much more intense engagement than that which I dispute. In the news and politics part of the forum I talk about news and politics, I express my opinions, I leave and get on with my life. I disagree with the notion that I actively seek out this stuff because I'm addicted to getting wound up by it. Those people do exist, but you seem to be making a false assumption that I'm one of them so my response above was to set the record straight.

[Honey Honey]

1 hour ago, RandoEFC said:

I do see where you're coming from but I still don't think this is an entirely fair comparison. The first comment you quoted is me not wanting to see the UK or the EU engage in hostile behaviour against each other because it isn't good for anyone. UK vs EU in the context of an actual conflict between the two. I'd rather see us work together.

The second comment is harsh on the UK leadership in retrospect but reflective of the EU being an embodiment of international cooperation with the UK being minded to remove themselves from that. The US at the time were still led by Trump so I stand by that part of it. But on the UK part it's a lazily worded comparison that's aged horribly in light of the European Commission's behaviour last weekend, I can admit that. You'll have to forgive me, I try my best to be thoughtful most of the time but sometimes I'm just a dickhead on a forum who lazily posts what I feel like without bothering to think it through properly. 

However, I don't think this contradicts the first point because this is UK vs EU in the context of a comparison between the two and their apparent world views.

I'm not going to go back and count them and when they were but to be fair, the whole vaccine procurement episode and the drama between Astra Zeneca and the EU had the Northern Irish border and Brexit at its heart so that's hardly surprising. We also discussed before January the false claims made by some politicians that the UK was able to approve the Coronavirus vaccines earlier than the EU were because of Brexit, then I asked what on earth Europe were doing and why they weren't getting on with vaccinations out of curiosity. The comparisons that can be drawn between the UK's vaccination success and the relative struggles of our closest neighbours wouldn't exist if not for Brexit. These two things have crossed paths with each other constantly over the past month, it's not like it's irrelevant. You should also see from my slating of the European Commission last week that I'm not just banging a "EU good, Brexit bad" drum constantly.

I might lap it up in the sense that I pay attention to the news and like to talk about what's going on. But the phrases you're using imply a much more intense engagement than that which I dispute. In the news and politics part of the forum I talk about news and politics, I express my opinions, I leave and get on with my life. I disagree with the notion that I actively seek out this stuff because I'm addicted to getting wound up by it. Those people do exist, but you seem to be making a false assumption that I'm one of them so my response above was to set the record straight.

A lot of that is fair. 

The last 2 weeks have been a lot about comments that have aged badly. They aged badly because they're opinions driven by philosophy and bias and not fact. That doesn't necessarily have to be considered a bad thing though 

[Burning Gold]

2 hours ago, Stan said:

And could stop transmission... 

 

 

This is the big one. Preventing serious illness is obviously great, but without preventing infection/transmission it becomes a bit of a slog. One vaccine is one serious illness or death prevented at best. With this, it has the multiplicitive effect that every vaccination is a chain of transmission broken and a boost on our road to re-emergence

A lot of people assumed this was the case anyway, which is fair enough as it turns out, but having it confirmed is obviously great news.

[Stan]

Just now, Burning Gold said:

This is the big one. Preventing serious illness is obviously great, but without preventing infection/transmission it becomes a bit of a slog. One vaccine is one serious illness or death prevented at best. With this, it has the multiplicitive effect that every vaccination is a chain of transmission broken and a boost on our road to re-emergence

A lot of people assumed this was the case anyway, which is fair enough as it turns out, but having it confirmed is obviously great news.

Yeah the thread on that tweet does go to say it's data across the trial patients up to a point in December, but if this can be duplicated for any of the variants in place at the moment that would be so encouraging. It's quite a high percentage rate as well I thought.

[RandoEFC+]

1 hour ago, Steve Bruce Almighty said:

A lot of that is fair. 

The last 2 weeks have been a lot about comments that have aged badly. They aged badly because they're opinions driven by philosophy and bias and not fact. That doesn't necessarily have to be considered a bad thing though 

Yeah I mean I wouldn't call it a good thing either . I'm happy to be called out on it when it occurs. Maybe leave it an hour first. But yeah, its more that after spending my working days checking basically everything that comes out of my mouth before it comes out, sometimes I just log in on here while I'm having a welcome home shit and go fuck it I'm going to just say this and not think it through fully because it's my gut reaction and it's only some forum on the internet.

Moving on...

[Stan]

Good... 

 

 

[RandoEFC+]

On 03/02/2020 at 01:25, nudge said:

Latest update from China:

17238 confirmed cases (+2827 since yesterday) - 2296 of those in serious or critical condition (+186).
21558 suspected cases (+2014).
361 deaths (+57).
475 recoveries (+147).

The number of recoveries is increasing nicely.

The number of confirmed cases outside mainland China has risen to 183 (+24); 1 death (in Philippines).

 

 

 

On 03/02/2020 at 04:48, Mel81x said:

I think we're going to see these numbers decrease drastically in two weeks from now. It's shocking how fast this thing has spread and I am even wondering if some of these countries are reporting the right numbers. China is going to take some time to recover from this.

 

On 03/02/2020 at 16:21, The Artful Dodger said:

You seem very desperate for this to be some massive disaster 

 

On 03/02/2020 at 16:24, nudge said:

Desperate? How come? Because I follow the development of it?  I think it's pretty clear that it's unlikely to be an issue in the West. China and surrounding nations is a different beast altogether though. 

 

On 03/02/2020 at 16:50, The Artful Dodger said:

Just the dismissal of the evidence which suggests this isn't anything like the disaster people predicted. It's certainly disappointing a lot of the press anyway, they were hoping to make millions off the panic.

 

On 03/02/2020 at 18:53, DeadLinesman said:

This is a genuine query so there will be absolutely no kicking off.

I saw a video of Ighalo walking straight out of Terminal 1 at Manchester. Has he come straight from China or elsewhere? Is it only the people from Hubei province that are currently being quarantined when they get back? I know other countries have banned all mainland flights, but not sure where we’re upto yet.
 

Again, genuine questions as I haven’t got the answer and I’m intrigued as to the current protocols.

I don't mean to pick on anyone or catch anyone out here, so sorry if I quoted you, especially TAD who apologised a few posts later. I just had a sudden urge to look back at the conversations we were having a year ago, sort of inspired by the On This Day Covid account on Twitter a few people I know are aware of. The way I remember it, we were starting to process the significance of this by the time we got into February. Really we still had no idea. These are all posts from a year ago today. Italy had 2 confirmed cases. 5 weeks later they were in a national lockdown.