Manchester United Discussion

[SirBalon]

13 minutes ago, Danny said:

Irony in calling out a ridiculous statement with “People love Mane and he’s black”.

I never said Pogba can’t be criticised (seeing as I criticised him in the same post and agree with the criticism) but for a midfielder with his goals and assists tally this season he picks up a lot of column inches where other players don’t. Media has proven itself to be inherently racist time and time again

 I get where you're going with that and I personally agree with you in its existence. People of different colour and even culture or religion in today's times get treated with a different yard stick compared to those seen as what's viewed as a native.

But in the case of Paul Pogba I think a hell of a lot more was expected of him and what's more, he CAN offer more than what he has even with the stats he's accumulated. Call it having been lazy, call it not being arsed, call it what you like, it's got nothing to do with his colour in his particular case for me.

[Danny]

2 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

 I get where you're going with that and I personally agree with you in its existence. Peope of different colour and even culture or religion in today's times get treated with a different yard stick compared to those seen as what's viewed as a native.

But in the case of Paul Pogba I think a hell of a lot more was expected of him and what's more, he CAN offer more than what he has even with the stats he's accumulated. Call it having been lazy, call it not being arsed, call it what you like, it's got nothing to do with his colour in his particular case for me.

I agree he can offer a lot more, like I said I don’t think people are wrong to criticise him as a footballer but the countless column inches dedicated towards a midfielder who’s scored 16 goals this season, the anger towards him over things like his hairstyle or goal celebrations seems more personal than anyone else gets.

I thought when United first signed him that he wasn’t worth the money as he seemed to have a lot more highlight reel moments (I.e. the long range goals) at Juve rather than consistent and dominant performances. He’s become a better player than then as seen by the World Cup and the goals he has scored this season but he really isn’t the dominant force United need.

[The Artful Dodger]

Yes, there's definitely a resentment towards a confident, young black player that seeps out in the media and the narrative of 'lazy', 'ungrateful' primma donna. Pogba gets more stick than fucking Sanchez for god's sake.

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

Have you considered that you are a gobshite? 

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.

Edited May 13, 2019 by Guest

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Yes, there's definitely a resentment towards a confident, young black player that seeps out in the media and the narrative of 'lazy', 'ungrateful' primma donna. Pogba gets more stick than fucking Sanchez for god's sake.

Sanchez hasn't been the same since Chile missed out World Cup qualification.

[Rick]

44 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Yes, there's definitely a resentment towards a confident, young black player that seeps out in the media and the narrative of 'lazy', 'ungrateful' primma donna. Pogba gets more stick than fucking Sanchez for god's sake.

Sanchez has been out injured alot since he joined it's to be fair. If he was starting as often as Pogba he would be getting as much if not more stick.

[The Artful Dodger]

11 minutes ago, Rick said:

Sanchez has been out injured alot since he joined it's to be fair. If he was starting as often as Pogba he would be getting as much if not more stick.

His performances have been utterly abysmal, far worse than Pogba's.

[Rick]

4 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

His performances have been utterly abysmal, far worse than Pogba's.

Well that I can't argue with.

[Stan]

Fairly sure Sanchez got a hell of a lot of shit when he was playing more regularly. Work rate especially being the main thing he got criticised for and then in general just having no influence or impact on any games as you'd expect like he did for Arsenal.

Pogba is just in the limelight more, plays every game, ambles around every game and attracts attention with the Instagram stuff, the shitty penalty run-ups, the hairstyles (not fussed about this one, personally), the choreographed celebrations. Not to mention the amount of money that was spent to bring him in. He's simply failed to deliver. Even if he is top goalscorer/top assist-maker. Is it good to an extent that he's got those? Yes. Has he arguably still under-performed? Yes. Is it unfair to point out he could still do better and focus on football as opposed to all the celebrity-esque lifestyle he appears to give more attention to? No.

To say it's racist that he's got headlines about him is way off the mark.

The real racist shit that goes on is all the bollocks Sterling has/had written about him by the Daily Mail and that was correctly called out in my opinion. 

[Smiley Culture]

1 hour ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Yes, there's definitely a resentment towards a confident, young black player that seeps out in the media and the narrative of 'lazy', 'ungrateful' primma donna. Pogba gets more stick than fucking Sanchez for god's sake.

 I’m not having it that he’s abused because he’s black. That’s just trying to whip up a racial story. 

He gets pelters because his performance level on a regular basis is not justifying the outlay that Manchester United paid out on him, nothing to do with his skin colour. His price tag is the burden on him, not the fact that he’s black. 

Pogba gets more stick because he plays more regularly than Sánchez. Now, if Sanchez played as much as Pogba, he’d still get less stick than Pogba, but that would be based upon his transfer value being higher than Sanchez’.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Who doesn’t think Sanchez is a useless pile of shite now? There’s a player that deserves no respect, absolute joke

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Smiley Culture said:

 I’m not having it that he’s abused because he’s black. That’s just trying to whip up a racial story. 

He gets pelters because his performance level on a regular basis is not justifying the outlay that Manchester United paid out on him, nothing to do with his skin colour. His price tag is the burden on him, not the fact that he’s black. 

Pogba gets more stick because he plays more regularly than Sánchez. Now, if Sanchez played as much as Pogba, he’d still get less stick than Pogba, but that would be based upon his transfer value being higher than Sanchez’.

Also that Sanchez doesn't dab, take selfies at half time or change his hair every week.

[The Artful Dodger]

Who cares whether a young man 'dabs'? He's a bit of a tit, so what? It's the same strain of invective directed at Sterling, 'uppity negro' should know his place and behave according to the way we see fit!

[Cicero]

Again, David Beckham received the same kind of treatment. New haircut, New outfit, Etc. The media tore him apart and this was well before the 98' incident. 

 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Who cares whether a young man 'dabs'? He's a bit of a tit, so what? It's the same strain of invective directed at Sterling, 'uppity negro' should know his place and behave according to the way we see fit!

It gets him more attention, goes either way though. The children who think he's funny and everyone else who just give him unwanted attention. Sanchez is more of a quiet and serious fella.

[The Artful Dodger]

1 minute ago, Grizzly21 said:

It gets him more attention, goes either way though. The children who think he's funny and everyone else who just give him unwanted attention. Sanchez is more of a quiet and serious fella.

Sanchez has done a far worse job than Pogba has. The disparity in criticism is not justified.

[Cicero]

10 minutes ago, José said:

If Gonzalo H. Was black, the criticism right now would be three times worse, due to his current form. Less consistent than pogba that's for sure. 

Higuain is already a laughing stock and he's been in the league for 4 months 

[Guest]

Just now, The Artful Dodger said:

Sanchez has done a far worse job than Pogba has. The disparity in criticism is not justified.

Probably, but Sanchez hasn't been seeking attention by dabbing or changing his hair every week for The Lad Bible to point it out. That's what I meant. That is a part of the criticism and I've seen it.

[Cicero]

Sanchez also isn't the face of Manchester United. Something Pogba and his PR team did very well to promote since his arrival with this drivel. 

 

[MUFC]

5 hours ago, Stan said:

Got a lot of stick off a fan towards the end of the game yesterday...

 

Kept a cool head whilst being abused by the infidels 

[The Artful Dodger]

7 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Sanchez also isn't the face of Manchester United. Something Pogba and his PR team did very well to promote since his arrival with this drivel. 

 

Sanchez's piano shit was worse than this bollocks, yet...nothing. Pogba has been their best player.

[Stan]

If it makes anyone feel better, Mendez-Laing has scored more goals at Old Trafford than Sanchez has this season.

@Bluebird Hewitt

 

[LFCMadLad]

I literally can not believe that in this day and age, numpties actually believe that Pogba gets criticised 'cos he is black'. 

Fuck me 

[Dr. Gonzo]

He's the face of the worst Manchester United team in my memory, so that's probably why he gets a lot of stick. He came in for a massive fee (after having left the club for free), there was all of that viral marketing about his return and how great he would be for Manchester United erupting over social media... and then he's come in and been inconsistent as fuck.

Manchester United being shite isn't his fault. But rightly or wrongly, both he and the club positioned him to really be the face of the club and he is carrying the weight of the fans expectations falling well short. He's far from the only problem at Manchester United, but he's been a part of the problem (really this season everyone but McTominay has shown they're prone to letting their head drop and not fighting for the club) by being a player that the fans cannot count on to always put forth the maximum effort.

[RandoEFC+]

I can't believe this is even being discussed.

Pogba has a shit attitude and everyone knows it. He's more interested in furthering his image than performing for his team, everyone can see that as well.

The Sanchez comparison is a valid one but who gives a shit about criticising him because there's no debate to be had there. Nobody cares about Sanchez, he doesn't play, he doesn't blow his own trumpet on social media, he doesn't do anything to draw attention, he is simply forgotten, not because he isn't black.

Pogba is constantly putting himself at the forefront of the media by being the walking embodiment of what Manchester United have become. Most expensive player, highest paid player, constantly appearing in adverts and making daft social media posts, stupid hairstyles, stupid celebrations. I'd put a decent bet on the fact that he has someone analysing the social media reactions to his celebrations to find out which one gets him the most publicity so he can stick to it in future and get it programmed into the next version of FIFA. The worst thing about Pogba is that he actually has immense quality and shows it when he can actually concentrate on his performance for an extended period of time, like he did during Ole's honeymoon period. Sanchez, on the other hand, has just turned into a shit player whereas with Pogba it's just so obvious he could play much better if he tried.

But if all of that isn't enough reason then fine, maybe it is because he's black.