Slaven Bilic Sacked; Allardyce Appointed

[Dave]

 

[Lucas]

[N U F C]

Seems harsh straight after last night.

They've hardly backed him either have they? Their squad looks terrible on paper, he's probably doing about as good a job as can be expected.

[Smiley Culture]

Sam Allardyce, Nigel Pearson, Mark Hughes and Eddie Howe linked according to the BBC. What a thoroughly depressing set of names they are. 

[Honey Honey]

It's one of those where only an insider can gage whether it's worth a punt on someone else. From the outside it looks nuts at this stage.

[DNA]

Madness. Chinese owners just looking at the table.

[Panna King]

No investment, of course he was going to struggle. 

[Smiley Culture]

In fairness, they’ve been pretty bad across two divisions since the restart of football. They have conceded too many at both levels and won very few games. I get that it’s not great timing off the back of a draw vs City and with a derby against Villa next but they’ve not been performing that well for a decent period now. 

[Smiley Culture]

And he’s gone. 

[LFCMike]

 

[Stan]

 

 

 

[Smiley Culture]

Allardyce FFS. 

It’s akin to a couple of years ago when they replaced Pulis with Pardew. Football clubs spend thousands, some probably millions, on analysing players for recruitment, I know no team plans on sacking a manager but surely they do some sort of analysis into managers, their records, their tactics, their traits, what the make up of their squads were etc. This appointment would appear that they don’t. 

[RandoEFC+]

Oh how we've all yearned to see Sam Allardyce back in charge of a Premier League club. I'm glad they've been to Goodison already this season because we all know how that would have gone with that toad in charge. 

I don't have much time for Bilic either. That's the problem with teams like West Brom. They win promotion to the top flight by looking at the short-term and relying on experienced journeymen in their playing staff and choice of manager because they want to get promoted ASAP, but then there's no plan for what comes next. If West Brom want to come up and stay up, they'd be better served going for a manager with the capacity to grow into the transition from Championship to Premier League. It doesn't always work. Scott Parker is a good example where the jury is still out on whether Fulham's faith in him is going to pay off, but other clubs who have come up and done well recently largely kept the same manager. Santo at Wolves (okay a lot of financial help there but still), Howe at Bournemouth, Smith is starting to get the job done with Aston Villa despite things being hairy for them last season. There are other clubs who have chopped and changed and stayed up like Newcastle and Southampton, but Newcastle are such a big club that they never should have gone down in the first place and Southampton had a structure in place that went beyond the manager.

You just know with West From that Allardyce will come in, they'll sign a couple of experienced Premier League players in January (hopefully Delph and Tosun) and stay up in about 15th place with a few shithousey wins. Then they might do the same next year, but then what? Unless they establish a real club philosophy other than "get promoted back to the Premiership at all costs and stay there at all costs", they'll always just be looking for the next Bilic or Allardyce to give them a well-timed new manager bounce that'll help get them to 40 points until they mess up the timing or the appointment and tailspin back to the Championship.

[Smiley Culture]

The last four Premier League wins at The Hawthorns for West Brom has been overseen by a different manager. Pulis, Pardew, Moore and Bilic are those four. 

[Danny]

2 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

Oh how we've all yearned to see Sam Allardyce back in charge of a Premier League club. I'm glad they've been to Goodison already this season because we all know how that would have gone with that toad in charge. 

I don't have much time for Bilic either. That's the problem with teams like West Brom. They win promotion to the top flight by looking at the short-term and relying on experienced journeymen in their playing staff and choice of manager because they want to get promoted ASAP, but then there's no plan for what comes next. If West Brom want to come up and stay up, they'd be better served going for a manager with the capacity to grow into the transition from Championship to Premier League. It doesn't always work. Scott Parker is a good example where the jury is still out on whether Fulham's faith in him is going to pay off, but other clubs who have come up and done well recently largely kept the same manager. Santo at Wolves (okay a lot of financial help there but still), Howe at Bournemouth, Smith is starting to get the job done with Aston Villa despite things being hairy for them last season. There are other clubs who have chopped and changed and stayed up like Newcastle and Southampton, but Newcastle are such a big club that they never should have gone down in the first place and Southampton had a structure in place that went beyond the manager.

You just know with West From that Allardyce will come in, they'll sign a couple of experienced Premier League players in January (hopefully Delph and Tosun) and stay up in about 15th place with a few shithousey wins. Then they might do the same next year, but then what? Unless they establish a real club philosophy other than "get promoted back to the Premiership at all costs and stay there at all costs", they'll always just be looking for the next Bilic or Allardyce to give them a well-timed new manager bounce that'll help get them to 40 points until they mess up the timing or the appointment and tailspin back to the Championship.

I think you're being a bit harsh on Bilic, yeah his final season at West Ham didn't go well but he took them to a good 7th place finish and then had to manage the transition to an Olympic stadium whilst losing star player Payet and replacing him with Robert Snodgrass lol

I think Bilic would be a decent appointment for most teams in the Championship and all in all West Brom have spent about £35m this season, he might not have the Allardyce effect in being able to keep a team up all the time but I wouldn't say he was a short-sighted appointment, especially as he turned around a pretty negative atmosphere at the club after relegations and drink driving issues. In terms of their team Diangana and Pereira are good long-term signings and whilst Sawyers is in his late 20s he was one of the best midfielders in the Championship and has the style of play to play on into his 30s. Charlie Austin is one of those players that you might say is a short-term player but in fairness to them there he was mainly a sub anyway

[RandoEFC+]

1 hour ago, Danny said:

I think you're being a bit harsh on Bilic, yeah his final season at West Ham didn't go well but he took them to a good 7th place finish and then had to manage the transition to an Olympic stadium whilst losing star player Payet and replacing him with Robert Snodgrass lol

I think Bilic would be a decent appointment for most teams in the Championship and all in all West Brom have spent about £35m this season, he might not have the Allardyce effect in being able to keep a team up all the time but I wouldn't say he was a short-sighted appointment, especially as he turned around a pretty negative atmosphere at the club after relegations and drink driving issues. In terms of their team Diangana and Pereira are good long-term signings and whilst Sawyers is in his late 20s he was one of the best midfielders in the Championship and has the style of play to play on into his 30s. Charlie Austin is one of those players that you might say is a short-term player but in fairness to them there he was mainly a sub anyway

Yeah fair points. I mean the sacking is just weirdly timed. It's like they've predicted a massive slump before it's really happened and panicked pre-emptively. I watched them at City last night and as much as City lack creativity outside of De Bruyne, West Brom defended really well. They're near the bottom of the table but they didn't look like a team without a plan or without desire. 

[Dan+]

I reckon this could actually be the club Allardyce takes down. It's a very poor squad and needs a lot of work in January to be competitive.

[Lucas]

Is Kevin Nolan still free?

[CaaC (John)+]

GO ON POCH, GO FOR IT, you are far better than big fat Sam. 

[Honey Honey]

It's a sad day for the Premier League. The pundit class will be loving it though no doubt.

[N U F C]

45 minutes ago, Lucas said:

Is Kevin Nolan still free?

He's at West Ham with Moyes I think.

[The Artful Dodger]

Feel for Bilic but in terms of what West Brom want in the short term, it makes sense. His track record in these situations is very impressive, as appalling as his style is.

[Smiley Culture]

Yer Da appointed. 

[Stan]

[Dave]