Administrator Stan Posted April 18, 2022 Administrator Share Posted April 18, 2022 Or more like the clubs that have regularly won trophies. Majority being the 'big six'. But having said that, is it really a big six if one of those has only won 1 trophy in that time? It's more like a big 5, really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted April 18, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted April 18, 2022 It is tedious but inevitable. With the exception of Leicester's recent title there is no longer any serious scope for teams with poorer resources to out-perform those with more. The maximisation of resources and making the most of every marginal gain is a huge industry in its own right now. Of course you get the odd exception like Leicester punching above their weight for a period of time and clubs like Man Utd and Everton underperforming because their ownership either has skewed incentives or a lack of basic professionalism, but as long as the Super League Six largely show basic competence, they will finish at least in the top eight every season. Another thing is that we obsess over trophies when we shouldn't. Of course they're the ultimate aim for any football club but trophies are only one factor in what it means to be a football fan. If trophies were all that mattered then the fans of the other hundreds of football clubs across the country might as well pack it up and go home now. We all know that individual matches, goals, even off the pitch stuff, can make you feel massive pride in your football club as well. Man Utd and Arsenal probably have two of the unhappiest fanbases in the country to be honest. You grow up following these teams in one of their purple patches it becomes and expectation to see them win trophies. When they actually do it, there's just as much relief as joy, and it pails in comparison to the embarrassment and frustration felt when they go through barren spells like these two have, as an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 It's the same in any sport, the best dominate on tell they are no longer the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 English soccer needs a good flush down the toilet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claret and Blue Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Give me the first 20 years over the past 10 anytime. Think the teams was a lot stronger back then aswell.. Wasn't half as much cheating going on either and without the bull shit VAR that's hindering the game rather than improving it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storts Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Stan said: Or more like the clubs that have regularly won trophies. Majority being the 'big six'. But having said that, is it really a big six if one of those has only won 1 trophy in that time? It's more like a big 5, really... Two actually. You should remember one of them… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 This is what I was talking about with @The Palace Fan about competitiveness. There’s 5 clubs that have had the capability of winning big silverware consistently over this time period and nowadays the only way you break into that is by having a shit tonne of money or genuinely being big in the way United, Liverpool and then Arsenal have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted April 18, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted April 18, 2022 57 minutes ago, Storts said: Two actually. You should remember one of them… Haha of course ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 What was it like in the 30 years before the premier league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted April 18, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted April 18, 2022 Just now, Dr. Gonzo said: What was it like in the 30 years before the premier league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 So it’s not too different for the league, but the extra money has certainly fortified the strength of the big clubs’ ability to challenge more consistently for the cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted April 18, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted April 18, 2022 There has been a marked shift in attitude from the top clubs toward the League Cup in my time. Ever since Mourinho and Guardiola turned up with their insane trophy winning numbers that they wanted to continue padding. They've been proven right though that the confidence and 'winning habit' benefits of going for the League Cup outweigh the physical toll it takes on the squad. It does those sides no harm either that when they "put the reserves out" this usually entails fielding a team which could still finish in the top half of the Premier League in its own right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Danny said: This is what I was talking about with @The Palace Fan about competitiveness. There’s 5 clubs that have had the capability of winning big silverware consistently over this time period and nowadays the only way you break into that is by having a shit tonne of money or genuinely being big in the way United, Liverpool and then Arsenal have been. I was referring to competitiveness over the last five years, but yes, over the last thirty years there's only really been five teams capable of growing a semi longer than five minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 3 hours ago, The Palace Fan said: I was referring to competitiveness over the last five years, but yes, over the last thirty years there's only really been five teams capable of growing a semi longer than five minutes. Any pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Isn't it still a lot better than a lot of other leagues? Isn't it just something that will naturally happen? Teams that are in a title race are usually going to be in the title race for at least a few seasons and their visibility in title races will mean they're the most focused on and will mean they gain more fans and money. So even without sugar daddies, it just seems like a natural part of sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 6 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: So it’s not too different for the league, but the extra money has certainly fortified the strength of the big clubs’ ability to challenge more consistently for the cups. And if they didn't challenge for the cups, the complaint would be that big clubs don't take it seriously enough, it's damaging and disrespecting the competition, and there needs to be a way to force teams to play their best sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Just looking through the FA CUP finals since 2000 certainly dominated by the big clubs yet not like the league. Leicester won it last year, not sure they are big six. Watford in the final 2019 Palace in the final 2016 Hull City in the final 2014 Wigan win in 2013. This year looks stronger and will be interesting to see how this works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 23 hours ago, Spike said: English soccer needs a good flush down the toilet In that case Serie A, Bundesliga and La Liga may as well follow it considering they have had less diverse winners than the Premier League over the same time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Lucas said: In that case Serie A, Bundesliga and La Liga may as well follow it considering they have had less diverse winners than the Premier League over the same time period. Okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 23 hours ago, Sean the ginger 1 said: Give me the first 20 years over the past 10 anytime. Think the teams was a lot stronger back then aswell None of them teams could beat our Centurions tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claret and Blue Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Happy Blue said: None of them teams could beat our Centurions tbh Bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Just now, Sean the ginger 1 said: Bollocks. I'm not sure you are allowed to be ginger on the forum mate does @DeadLinesman know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, Happy Blue said: I'm not sure you are allowed to be ginger on the forum mate does @DeadLinesman know? Deadlinesman is the worst person to ask, he knows fuck all about hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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