Danny Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Saw this on Pitch Side podcast, though it looked fun. You have to combine the eleven from the 02-06 golden generation and Southgate's England. Pickford Walker - Campbell - Ferdinand - Cole Hargreaves - Bellingham Beckham - Gerrard - Rooney Owen An annoyingly stupid challenge as you have to leave good players out but that is what I'd go for. Pickford just because he's been England's most consistent keeper for England in my lifetime, not necessarily the best keeper overall. Hargreaves done enough in one tournament to warrant being in there, same as Bellingham. Beckham has to be in there as does Michael Owen. Rooney is the all time record holder but never achieved at national level what he could do at club. Still his tournament output is similar to Sterling and with his qualification goals he's a shoe in. And then of course Gerrard, who whilst the argument goes on between him and Lampard, Gerrard was better for the national team. Notable exceptions are John Terry, Gary Neville, Raheem Sterling, Frank Lampard, Paul Scholes and Harry Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 When has Gerrard been better than Scholes or Lampard for the national team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, Cicero said: When has Gerrard been better than Scholes or Lampard for the national team? When I had Gerrard on the back of my England shirt as a kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted December 21, 2022 Administrator Share Posted December 21, 2022 Rooney at LW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted December 21, 2022 Administrator Share Posted December 21, 2022 I'd have Neville in over Walker, and not sure why Hargreaves is so revered. Maybe I missed his world class contribution. But to do it in just 1 tournament can he be classed as a valuable inclusion? Bellingham, unless he has some horrific injury, will clearly be one to flourish in more than just 1 tournament. Scholes gets in there for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 The Euro 2004 team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Honey Honey said: The Euro 2004 team This. It's difficult to create a team when you consider Kane, Euro 2004 Rooney and peak Michael Owen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, Stan said: Rooney at LW? Cutting in yeah, he pretty much done that for Ronaldo so don't see why he can't in this. Rooney always preferred playing deeper anyway 17 minutes ago, Stan said: I'd have Neville in over Walker, and not sure why Hargreaves is so revered. Maybe I missed his world class contribution. But to do it in just 1 tournament can he be classed as a valuable inclusion? Bellingham, unless he has some horrific injury, will clearly be one to flourish in more than just 1 tournament. Scholes gets in there for me. It's a thread about best England players, you judge the bets by competition performances...Hargreaves had a great competition for England and came close to settling a midfield layout before his injuries kicked in. Bellingham for me after just one tournament has probably had close to the best performance from an England centre mid in my lifetime. Complete side note but I forgot Joe Cole in the honourable mentions, especially that goal against Sweden. Any excuse: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 We sure we aren't bigging up Bellingham just a tad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 No his performance at the World Cup was the best midfield performance we've had in the middle of the park since Hargreaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reluctant Striker Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I'd go for 4-3-3. As he had no pace & played everywhere Vs Greece once, I'd be crazy & go for Beckham as a ballplaying long ball Pirlo DM. And I'm not sure of the final spot. As Rooney was Beckham's mirror. Rooney started unbelievably well & turned into an utterly abhorrent character. Fairly sure if Michael Owen was just starting out now & he'd be tipped as a new pacy wing attacker. And he was proper exciting. James Walker Campbell Ferdinand Cole Beckham Gerrard Bellingham Owen Kane ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ Posted December 21, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted December 21, 2022 If it's on performances for England you're taking todays squad over the vast majority. If it's on career and ability then I think the 00s golden generation takes nearly every spot. Which I think is why Southgate gets a good rep. England in the naughties are probably top three underachieving teams ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted December 21, 2022 Administrator Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Danny said: It's a thread about best England players, you judge the bets by competition performances...Hargreaves had a great competition for England and came close to settling a midfield layout before his injuries kicked in. Bellingham for me after just one tournament has probably had close to the best performance from an England centre mid in my lifetime But even you've said it was only 1 tournament he's done it in? Hence why I added the bit about Bellingham. Maybe it's just my memory but I don't recall the Hargreaves love in, or more the reasons for it. Perhaps the discussion was always Scholes/Gerrard/Lampard for the midfield anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 If it's on performances, then you have to go with basically just Southgate era players. If it's on talent, it's tougher but I'd probably go: Pickford Walker Terry Ferdinand Cole Hargreaves Gerrard Lampard Beckham Kane Rooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Biggest issue is that nonexistent DM England have seen during the golden generation. Also wouldn't put Rice in an all time XI for anything. Think for me it would be something like this. Midfield I just don't know. Pickford Campbell Ferdinand Trippier Cole Kane Owen Rooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 It's you dumb bastards, one of you who has picked Beckham as a holding midfielder, one has picked Rooney on the left wing, one of you has made the quintessential England error of picking Gerrard and Lampard together, who are the reason England will forever remain undercooked. You build a team by picking the best system for the players you have, then playing the best players for that system. Not with thinking like "I can squeeze Rooney in there if he plays GK and that way I get Owen and Kane in too!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: It's you dumb bastards, one of you who has picked Beckham as a holding midfielder, one has picked Rooney on the left wing, one of you has made the quintessential England error of picking Gerrard and Lampard together, who are the reason England will forever remain undercooked. You build a team by picking the best system for the players you have, then playing the best players for that system. Not with thinking like "I can squeeze Rooney in there if he plays GK and that way I get Owen and Kane in too!" Gerrard and Lampard never worked as a midfield 2, but if you put a holding midfielder behind them there's no reason that wouldn't work & that's the reason England managers were shite in that era, for not realising that. Rooney playing on the left cutting in is something probably more England managers should also have tried tbh. Everyone should leave Owen off and pretend he never existed because he's a massive cunt tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 All the teams in this thread are worse than the actual teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Seaman Gary Neville John Stones John Terry Ashley Cole David Beckham Declan Rice Paul Gascoigne Chris Waddle Harry Kane Alan Shearer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted December 22, 2022 Administrator Share Posted December 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Waylander said: Seaman Gary Neville John Stones John Terry Ashley Cole David Beckham Declan Rice Paul Gascoigne Chris Waddle Harry Kane Alan Shearer 18 hours ago, Danny said: You have to combine the eleven from the 02-06 golden generation and Southgate's England. @Waylander think a few of those might have just missed the cut-off for 2002-06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Updated : Seaman Gary Neville John Stones John Terry Ashley Cole David Beckham Owen Hargreaves Frank Lampard MIchael Carrick Wayne Rooney Harry Kane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Not sure Terry ever had a good international tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Busquingham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Cicero said: Not sure Terry ever had a good international tournament. If it's just on international tournaments... it's gotta be an all Southgate side, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storts Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 21/12/2022 at 16:36, Danny said: Saw this on Pitch Side podcast, though it looked fun. You have to combine the eleven from the 02-06 golden generation and Southgate's England. Pickford Walker - Campbell - Ferdinand - Cole Hargreaves - Bellingham Beckham - Gerrard - Rooney Owen An annoyingly stupid challenge as you have to leave good players out but that is what I'd go for. Pickford just because he's been England's most consistent keeper for England in my lifetime, not necessarily the best keeper overall. Hargreaves done enough in one tournament to warrant being in there, same as Bellingham. Beckham has to be in there as does Michael Owen. Rooney is the all time record holder but never achieved at national level what he could do at club. Still his tournament output is similar to Sterling and with his qualification goals he's a shoe in. And then of course Gerrard, who whilst the argument goes on between him and Lampard, Gerrard was better for the national team. Notable exceptions are John Terry, Gary Neville, Raheem Sterling, Frank Lampard, Paul Scholes and Harry Kane. Joint all time record holder* And Kane should be in ahead of Owen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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