Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted February 4, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted February 4, 2018 Brentford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,386 Posted February 4, 2018 Author Administrator Share Posted February 4, 2018 QPR mainly because of Tony Fernandes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Linesman punching the air when the ref awards a penalty to spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted 1,776 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Dan said: I'm not sold on what Dermot Gallagher's saying here. To summarise, he's saying that now if there's a touch on a through ball, then it's irrelevant if the striker (Kane in this case) is offside. Since when has that been the case? That's a bullshit rule, and completely contradicts the rule of influencing play. Surely the defender touching the through ball can be because of the player in the offside position anyway, meaning he is therefore influencing play, and is therefore offside. That's our 4th goal at Peterborough last week. Nearly everyone's calling that as offside, and I agree it is, but going by what Gallagher says there, it actually isn't? Yup, Gallagher is acting like it's a mechanistic, cut-and-dry decision when actually the rule has a word like "deliberately" as a key part of it. To most fans, the way the rule has worked there is not how they would imagine offside works. That suggests that the interpretation of "deliberate" should lie a bit more toward things like back passes rather than fluffed interceptions, even though a fluffed interception is in a certain sense "deliberate". A general rule of intepretation is normally that you go with what the common understanding of the term is, if there is one. Would most people say Lovren deliberately played the ball? Fair enough, if you want to make any kind of rule you can't avoid a need to interpret it. It's very hard to avoid uncertainty. But the thing about referees is that people aren't aware in advance of how they are going to interpret things. If there's a criminal statute with an ambiguous term in it, then that term will be interpreted openly in court and the courts will publish decisions which clearly explain exactly what the term means, and its pretty much clear and settled. With football we have all these terms flying around in the rules, refs apply a number of different intepretations, mostly without warning or explanation, and the result is that people aren't sure what the words on the page really mean. It's like handball - we still aren't sure what "deliberate" handball is. Does it mean you intend to commit handball? You mean to move your hand although not necessarily to touch the ball? You had your hand in an unnatural position? Maybe its just me overthinking it but I can't help but think how much the FA could use a lawyer to come in and re-draft so many of the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger 1,831 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Don't get the 'he was touched' so it's not a dive, if you are not unlawfully impeded then you are cheating. Sounds like Spurs deserved the point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger 1,831 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 As for London clubs. Got time for most of them, family ties to chelsea but loath what they have become. Like spurs a lot, arsenal have the gimpiest, wettest fanbase by a mile but cant say hold too much against them. West ham ive never got the hate for and ive enjoyed trips to fulham, brentford and orient in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted 1,776 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I find West Ham the most laughable but dislike Chelsea the most. Overall I definitely think I have a natural bias against southern clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted February 4, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted February 4, 2018 In all seriousness... West Ham I find a bit of a joke club nowadays. Used to like going to their old ground but their current one is dreadful. Owners are absolute idiots. Chelsea I wouldn't say I particularly like, but they'll always be the team who scored the goal that won us the league. Arsenal I'm not keen on, find their owners to be out of touch with the fans and I hate their horrible knack of always beating us. Tottenham I think there's a lot to admire, but I'm put off by their fans (I like Storts) and the media. Their fans were embarrassing a couple of years ago, and the media love them. Crystal Palace I never used to mind although their fans always seem to gob off about us for some reason. QPR I never minded until they had links to the likes of Briatore, Ecclestone and Fernandes, from then on I found them a very hard club to like. Millwall, now this is a funny one, I wouldn't say I like them, but I've got a degree of respect for them in the sense they're still a 'proper' club. Definitely think they attract a lot of scumbags but I quite admire their us against the world mentality. Leeds are the same. Don't have anything against Fulham, Brentford, Orient or Barnet. I find AFC Wimbledon to be hypocrites, and then there's Charlton, who again, I find a harmless club, but yet another we've got a laughable record at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I had a shit week in Fantasy Football until this game. Thank you Harry & Mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 2,276 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Like Fulham. Could give two fucks about the rest. Hopefully spurs go into liquidation tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Storts did well today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted 1,776 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 It appears Lamela was potentially offside in the build up to the final penalty. Seriously, there's no argument against VAR. Today it would have brought a more accurate result without any added delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 2,276 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 47 minutes ago, Cicero said: Storts did well today. He did fuck all. I'm all for congratulating good fishing but he failed in his attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,206 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 First penalty was never one, the reason the defender had to touch it was because Kane was interfering with play. Secondly Kane dived but that's every professional footballer in those circumstances nowadays, if there's an element of diving that needs to be retrospectively dealt with its the dives when contact is made, this is a contact sport. At best the keepers finger tips touched Kane, if that's enough to stop him then Kane needs to hit the gym. No idea over the commotion though because he didn't score from that penalty, he scored from the one where Van Dijk kicked Lamela in the back which was a clear as day penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,206 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Dan said: Brentford. Yeah there's a right Southern fairy on here who supports em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted February 5, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted February 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Danny said: Yeah there's a right Southern fairy on here who supports em I don't think we've played Brentford in my lifetime. We always dodge them for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 55 minutes ago, Inverted said: It appears Lamela was potentially offside in the build up to the final penalty. Seriously, there's no argument against VAR. Today it would have brought a more accurate result without any added delay. Yup. Just laugh it off when people say we don't need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,206 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Dan said: I don't think we've played Brentford in my lifetime. We always dodge them for some reason. You wanna hope you play us before we move stadiums. Griffin Park is class and especially for away fans. Away end is a bit run down but there's a terrace so who cares, pretty sure there's now 4 open pubs on each corner after one reopened. Plus all the boozers nearby. The new stadium won't be the same but hopefully we can keep the culture of the pubs going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted February 5, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted February 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Danny said: You wanna hope you play us before we move stadiums. Griffin Park is class and especially for away fans. Away end is a bit run down but there's a terrace so who cares, pretty sure there's now 4 open pubs on each corner after one reopened. Plus all the boozers nearby. The new stadium won't be the same but hopefully we can keep the culture of the pubs going. I do know a Brentford fan and for some reason he comes to some of our games. I got him a ticket for Peterborough away last week and he never bothered but strangely he came to Atletico with us so basically, yeah, I'll be at Griffin Park some time for sure. You're always one of the ties I want in the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 1,437 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 6 hours ago, Cannabis said: Honestly I'm shocked theres debate about that one. Terrible penalty decision. Vvd actually did well to pull out and avoid giving a pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 1,437 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 6 hours ago, Storts said: Wont see a more straight forward penalty honestly, football fans will moan about anything I never saw that angle on replay watching the game. Fair play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, FOYM said: He did fuck all. I'm all for congratulating good fishing but he failed in his attempts. You've failed at both I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asura 319 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 So, will Kane receive a retrospective ban now? Salah's second goal was outstanding, totally Messi like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,206 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Asura said: So, will Kane receive a retrospective ban now? Salah's second goal was outstanding, totally Messi like I hope he and other plays do but they won't, unfortunately contact is seen as enough to blow the whistle for even if said contact will impede or foul a player at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,386 Posted February 5, 2018 Author Administrator Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Danny said: I hope he and other plays do but they won't, unfortunately contact is seen as enough to blow the whistle for even if said contact will impede or foul a player at all. They're also British media darlings so FA won't touch them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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