Administrator Stan Posted August 14, 2018 Administrator Share Posted August 14, 2018 Used the term 'BBQ' in a meeting to describe players as 'big, black and quick'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asura Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Where is the racism in that? A black player is probably big and quick, hows is that offensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted August 14, 2018 Author Administrator Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Asura said: Where is the racism in that? A black player is probably big and quick, hows is that offensive? Not saying I agree with that. I don't know where the 'racism' in it is. Just descriptive unless I'm totally missing something. No doubt a snowflake like @Cannabis is offended though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 That's funny. Is calling a large, dark skinned person who is fast BBQ racist? As grand arbiter of racism I say no. A spade is a spade. So long as he isn't using a racist slur it's fine. Next thing porn hub will have to retitle their videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asura Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Stan said: Not saying I agree with that. I don't know where the 'racism' in it is. Just descriptive unless I'm totally missing something. No doubt a snowflake like @Cannabis is offended though. I dont see anything either. Maybe the full story inst published or like you said someone's jimmies got rustled for nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Did you lot actually click on the article? It air quotes the witnesses as seeing the use of BBQ in that context to be investigsted as racial profiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asura Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Harvsky said: Did you lot actually click on the article? It air quotes the witnesses as seeing the use of BBQ in that context to be investigsted as racial profiling. Not clicking anything form mirror or dailymail... I just responded to Stan's post and thats it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, Stan said: Used the term 'BBQ' in a meeting to describe players as 'big, black and quick'. The Mirror have taken it out of context ..the last but means Queer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Haha, that would actually make a great comedy sketch. It also reflects the state of English footy, everyone knows that grass-root coaches eat up larger and pacier players over their diminutive counterparts. It became so ingrained in my head for years that black=fast, that a while back I was surprised with myself that I was surprised at seeing a white player run fast! What the fuck!? Has it really gotten to the point that I expected pacey wingers to be black? Leroy Sane, Leon Bailly, Kylian Mbappe, Anthony Martial, Thierry Herny, Sylvain Wiltord, Gervinho, Jefferson Farfan, Ousmane Demebele, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Kingsley Coman, Sadio Mane, Theo Walcott, Antonio Valencia, Nani, so on and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Spike said: It became so ingrained in my head for years that black=fast, that a while back I was surprised with myself that I was surprised at seeing a white player run fast! What the fuck!? Has it really gotten to the point that I expected pacey wingers to be black? Leroy Sane, Leon Bailly, Kylian Mbappe, Anthony Martial, Thierry Herny, Sylvain Wiltord, Gervinho, Jefferson Farfan, Ousmane Demebele, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Kingsley Coman, Sadio Mane, Theo Walcott, Antonio Valencia, Nani, so on and so forth. The 4 fastest players on our team:- Sterling, Walker, Sane & Mendy ..might be something in this BBQ formula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 What a dollop. A term that backs up the stereotype that black people should be looked at for physical prowess rather than intelligence. There maybe a setting where it's lighthearted and banter between friends but should be blatant to anyone that it wouldn't be acceptable in a professional setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Danny drank the fucking kool aid No slur intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 29 minutes ago, Spike said: It became so ingrained in my head for years that black=fast, that a while back I was surprised with myself that I was surprised at seeing a white player run fast! What the fuck!? Has it really gotten to the point that I expected pacey wingers to be black? Leroy Sane, Leon Bailly, Kylian Mbappe, Anthony Martial, Thierry Herny, Sylvain Wiltord, Gervinho, Jefferson Farfan, Ousmane Demebele, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Kingsley Coman, Sadio Mane, Theo Walcott, Antonio Valencia, Nani, so on and so forth. Perhaps because racialist coaches like Dean Ramsdale have only brought through black players who conform to their genetic stereotype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: That's funny. Is calling a large, dark skinned person who is fast BBQ racist? As grand arbiter of racism I say no. A spade is a spade. So long as he isn't using a racist slur it's fine. Next thing porn hub will have to retitle their videos. Maybe not the best choice of words here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Danny said: What a dollop. A term that backs up the stereotype that black people should be looked at for physical prowess rather than intelligence. There maybe a setting where it's lighthearted and banter between friends but should be blatant to anyone that it wouldn't be acceptable in a professional setting. No mention of intelligence or that black people are looked at only for physcial prowess. You filled in those dots yourself, mate. Just because it can be infered doesn't it it is implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 32 minutes ago, Spike said: No mention of intelligence or that black people are looked at only for physcial prowess. You filled in those dots yourself, mate. Just because it can be infered doesn't it it is implied. Is there ever a mention of intelligence when discussing black athletes? The term is stereotyping black people into two categories, big and quick. It plays on the same stereotype that has been around for years. I know you like to to play the protagonist but you're smart enough not to be that naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, Danny said: Is there ever a mention of intelligence when discussing black athletes? The term is stereotyping black people into two categories, big and quick. It plays on the same stereotype that has been around for years. I know you like to to play the protagonist but you're smart enough not to be that naive. Yes, the Makalele role. Thuram is named 'the philospher' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Gold Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 He may not have used a racial slur or said anything overtly racist, but there's an implication there. Black skin isn't a trait that affects one's ability to play football in any way, so why mention it unless you're using it as shorthand, consciously or unconsciously, for something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just now, Spike said: Yes, the Makalele role. Thuram is named 'the philospher' And black players at youth level are apparently named "BBQ". I wasn't suggesting that black players have never been praised for being smart, but largely they are stereotyped as physical specimens first and people second, it is a stereotype that is pushed around at all levels of sport much more than praise received for intelligence or other personality traits. In fact the words "big and black" lead onto a lot of stereotypes that black people in general, and not just athletes, aren't worth much more than their physicality or skin colour, again you're being naive if you don't believe this to be true. But back to the initial point, it may and could be used as a bit of banter between friends, but the term "BBQ" is a stereotype used to diminish black players other personal qualities to reduce their worth only to their perceived physical abilities. Doing this, especially in a professional setting is done so to compensate for that persons either lack of physical ability and/or clear racism by trying to better them psychologically, which takes the "black people are fast and strong, white people are intelligent" stereotype full circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 There are quite a few Nigerians and Sudanese at my Uni and one thing i learned from them is to eat bananas with tea and it tastes great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Blue Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Oh fuck off, if he said he was big white and fast would it be racist. You can't say shit now days without the snowflakes melting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted August 15, 2018 Author Administrator Share Posted August 15, 2018 38 minutes ago, Cannabis said: Tempted to never use a BBQ again. I just can't look at it the same way. just make sure you let him down gently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Surely he could have played on "BBW" and have it mean big black wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Or he could have seen a few in the shower and said "BMW" Black man's Willy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 3 hours ago, True Blue said: Oh fuck off, if he said he was big white and fast would it be racist. You can't say shit now days without the snowflakes melting. If all the snowflakes dropped dead, the world would be a better place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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