Smiley Culture Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 A poor World Cup in which Mexico and South Korea beat them in the Group Stage before starting the Nations League with a credible draw with France and now a 3-0 defeat by Holland. Are we seeing a decline in the German National side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Whether they’re on decline or not is way too premature because there is plenty of talent in the pool. The simplest scenario is to blame the coach but there’s something deeper than that... It wasn’t all that long ago (just before the World Cup) that they were recognised as the best team in the world in every department and the favourites for victory. Again... This isn’t just a depression, it seems to be something more and they are in danger of even being relegated with this new Nations League format which even though new, it’s there, it’ll be recorded and for a football nation like Germany that’s something more than just sensational and critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Or maybe more great should go to Holland, who have developed some top young players. Also it showed during the Munich v Ajax game when Ajax dominated in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Players are getting older and retiring, their replacements aren't as talented, exhausted tactics from the coach, and players that should be elite for them often injured. Players like Hector and Ginter maybe shouldn't be the starting fullbacks for instance. It's quite a change from Höwedes and Lahm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Spike said: Players are getting older and retiring, their replacements aren't as talented, exhausted tactics from the coach, and players that should be elite for them often injured. Players like Hector and Ginter maybe shouldn't be the starting fullbacks for instance. It's quite a change from Höwedes and Lahm. So how come sensations were the totally radical opposite only 5 months ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, SirBalon said: So how come sensations were the totally radical opposite only 5 months ago? Media hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 They lost some great characters after the 2014 World Cup and they continued to ride on that momentum in 2016. I imagine any of that momentum went just prior to the 2018 World Cup. The dark cloud with Gundogan and Ozil definitely didn't help. I don't think keeping Joachim Low particularly helps. Giving a debut to a 27 year old seems odd at face value as well moving Reus out wide and playing Kimmick further forward. That said, they have two years to get it right before the next tournament and i'm sure they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Could it be time for a fresh perspective of a new coach? A key thing you'd expect with a setup as ruthlessly efficient as DFB is to know when thats required to break up stagnation and prompt new energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Team desperately needs a new coach and identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMG Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber JoshBRFC+ Posted October 15, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted October 15, 2018 They're back at the level they belong at, Brazil 2014 was just a fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 6 hours ago, JOSHBRFC said: They're back at the level they belong at, Brazil 2014 was just a fluke. Why was it a fluke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithcore Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 22 hours ago, SirBalon said: The simplest scenario is to blame the coach but there’s something deeper than that... No. It's really just the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 The generation that was at its peak in 2014 has declined obviously. The national team as a whole is only declining because Loew has not been ruthless enough to scrap a world-cup winning team and start afresh, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Gunnersauraus said: Why was it a fluke? They almost lost to Algeria and if Higuain and Palacio weren't bottle jobs, Argentina would of won. Aside the point, on paper they were far and away the best team in the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 45 minutes ago, Cicero said: They almost lost to Algeria and if Higuain and Palacio weren't bottle jobs, Argentina would of won. Aside the point, on paper they were far and away the best team in the tournament. If your Mum had bollocks, she’d be your Dad. They didn’t lose. They won. A bit like the whole “England had an easy route to the Semi-Finals” rubbish people spout. Yeah, it wasn’t exactly like we had to play Brazil, Spain, France and Germany before reaching the Semi’s but we still had to win games and we did. Something some people take for granted as this is the country that got convincingly beaten by Iceland two years before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said: If your Mum had bollocks, she’d be your Dad. They didn’t lose. They won. A bit like the whole “England had an easy route to the Semi-Finals” rubbish people spout. Yeah, it wasn’t exactly like we had to play Brazil, Spain, France and Germany before reaching the Semi’s but we still had to win games and we did. Something some people take for granted as this is the country that got convincingly beaten by Iceland two years before. Relax. I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I don't think it's the talent pool I think it's Low's time to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, Cicero said: Relax. I agree with you. I’m relaxed, I just never understand the premise behind “if’s” and “buts” in Football. It means nothing and often takes away from the achievements of teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Cicero said: They almost lost to Algeria and if Higuain and Palacio weren't bottle jobs, Argentina would of won. Aside the point, on paper they were far and away the best team in the tournament. They didn't almost loose to Algeria they had 30 shots on goal. They could have lost to Argentina but for me it wasn't a fluke. Spain could have lost to Germany in the world cup before if Germany had got a panalty. If Germany's win was a fluke then so are most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 33 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said: I’m relaxed, I just never understand the premise behind “if’s” and “buts” in Football. It means nothing and often takes away from the achievements of teams. I never get the whole we desearved to win. If you don't score you don't win. You might have been the bettwr team but football is about putting the ball in the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Faithcore said: No. It's really just the coach. That’s impossible and one would be blind to not have the courage to see certain holes that have appeared with some players that have either left the international scene or have just gotten older. In saying that, Germany do have a very good bunch of young players coming through but one must remember how long it takes for them to get the whole competitive international issue. With that I’m not saying that Löw isn’t part of the problem though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithcore Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, SirBalon said: That’s impossible and one would be blind to not have the courage to see certain holes that have appeared with some players that have either left the international scene or have just gotten older. In saying that, Germany do have a very good bunch of young players coming through but one must remember how long it takes for them to get the whole competitive international issue. With that I’m not saying that Löw isn’t part of the problem though. I agree that we lost some important players over the last years but we still have a strong squad and what Löw is doing with that is just ridiculous. With a decent coach we'd still one of the best teams in the world. Not the best but one of the best. Also we still have many very talented players coming through (as you mentioned) and therefore I really don't see fundamental problems. Our main problem is just the wrong people in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 20 hours ago, Faithcore said: I agree that we lost some important players over the last years but we still have a strong squad and what Löw is doing with that is just ridiculous. With a decent coach we'd still one of the best teams in the world. Not the best but one of the best. Also we still have many very talented players coming through (as you mentioned) and therefore I really don't see fundamental problems. Our main problem is just the wrong people in charge. Low just picks players now just on name and not on form, Neuer should not be near the first goalkeeper position at the moment same as a few other players like Muller who has been off form for such a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted October 16, 2018 Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2018 Can't wait to see Mbappe tear us a new one tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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