That Piece of Shit Rag In The News Again...

[Devil-Dick Willie]

So we can call Gareth Bale a monkey, but not Ross Barkely because his great aunts best friend was Nigerian?

 

Strange world

 

Stupid shit article. completely pointless and dross. But fuck me people get excited about nothing these days

[Honey Honey]

8 hours ago, Inverted said:

I don't think there's any cognitive dissonance. History is a story of the ruling class:  tribal chieftans, roman patricians, feudal aristocrats, the industrial bourgeoisie, whatever, making sure that an ideology that serves them is fed to the masses at every opportunity. 

Religion is just about gone as an effective tool of social control, but petty bigotry is a pretty useful tool to divide working people and distract from real social issues. The Sun peddles it happily at every turn, and although it's more common than ever for people to be able to inform themselves and rally against their brand of aggressive ignorance, sadly a large portion of society is still susceptible to their influence. 

No one is force fed the Sun, we live in a free society where people have the right to choose what they read from a multitude of styles, approaches and biases on offer. This freedom allows for bottom up cultural influences to hold significant collective power over the chosen behaviour of the press, particularly as they are governed by the need to make money. They try approaches and see what people buy. Thus emerges press like the Sun, with tits, patriotism and offensive humour. They give a certain personality within a certain culture what they want, the confirmation bias of their worldview that they want, one that is a combination of commonly existing species wide traits and the environment with which these traits interact in. Once and only once that connection is made can any top down hand influence. Even then it is confined within the worldview, personality and culture of its readership. Rather than some conspiracy that Rupert Murdoch shapes the world through the Sun, he, the paper and its readership are in a mutual relationship and understanding with one another.

As Orwell alluded to in the Road to Wigan Pier, the goal of the bourgeois left is to destroy and eradicate working class culture making everyone replicas of the middle class world view, whether they are aware that they are doing that or not.

The narrative of an elite hand overseeing papers like the Sun, the Express and the Daily Mail beyond a healthy scepticism and into the realms of a must be defeated force that is to blame for social ills is precisely this middle class cultural ordering of society. Ironically it's an attempt to become the ruling elite.

[Dan+]

7 hours ago, StefBWFC said:

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= Shitcunt journo calls someone stupid.

=/= Shitcunt journo is a member of Stormfront

 

I dislike the Sun 'news'paper and I loathe MacKenzie, but I'm sorry, this is a storm in a teacup.

Imagine the article was about Ryan Giggs; a good ol' dross article on how he looks a bit simple. Look - modern camera technology can catch the exact millisecond when he makes a silly face on the touchline, and wow - he is a bit slow in constructing sentences as he hasn't been in education since he was 14. Imagine this shitty journalist said that Ryan Giggs has the same puzzled look in interviews as a gorilla at the zoo. 

In this instance, you'll have thought nothing of it, because it's a clearly a juvenile slur about his supposed stupidity and not his white, Welsh heritage? 

Let's add in the fact he has a grandfather from Sierra Leone (100% true - I didn't know this until researching my response). RACIST RACIST RACIST. No, is it fuck - you are FINDING the intent based on a very tenuous link that you most likely didn't even know until 2 minutes ago.

Good post. I'm a bit torn here, I despise this culture of pretending things are racist when they aren't but I also despise the Sun.

[RandoEFC+]

Was the article actually racist? No.

We're there several unprovoked and derogatory comments towards Ross Barkley and Liverpool that can't remotely fall under the banner of news? Yes.

Is it worth arguing about the finer points of exactly why we wouldn't even use this article to wipe our arses? Maybe, but that's all they want at the end of the day so I think I'll move along.

[LFCMike]

I wasn't actually aware he still did articles for them until i heard about this. And people say about the boycott on Merseyside 'it's not the same staff as in 1989, just let it go' etc. Absolute bollocks. 

[LFCMadLad]

Is there a lot of people asking themselves questions in this thread? Yes

Why? Fuck knows 

[Inverted]

8 hours ago, HoneyNUFC said:

No one is force fed the Sun, we live in a free society where people have the right to choose what they read from a multitude of styles, approaches and biases on offer. This freedom allows for bottom up cultural influences to hold significant collective power over the chosen behaviour of the press, particularly as they are governed by the need to make money. They try approaches and see what people buy. Thus emerges press like the Sun, with tits, patriotism and offensive humour. They give a certain personality within a certain culture what they want, the confirmation bias of their worldview that they want, one that is a combination of commonly existing species wide traits and the environment with which these traits interact in. Once and only once that connection is made can any top down hand influence. Even then it is confined within the worldview, personality and culture of its readership. Rather than some conspiracy that Rupert Murdoch shapes the world through the Sun, he, the paper and its readership are in a mutual relationship and understanding with one another.

As Orwell alluded to in the Road to Wigan Pier, the goal of the bourgeois left is to destroy and eradicate working class culture making everyone replicas of the middle class world view, whether they are aware that they are doing that or not.

The narrative of an elite hand overseeing papers like the Sun, the Express and the Daily Mail beyond a healthy scepticism and into the realms of a must be defeated force that is to blame for social ills is precisely this middle class cultural ordering of society. Ironically it's an attempt to become the ruling elite.

So what, bigotry is part of the culture of the working class? That's such a condescending, reductive way of looking at things. Its the same kind of patronising attitude that the same bourgeois lefties you refer to use to excuse misogyny in certain immigrant groups, "its not pretty but its their culture", etc. This mollycoddling of shit attitudes just because it comes from disadvantaged people is totally counter-productive. 

It's not inevitable, it can be tackled with access to information. Of course, some people, given access to a range of sources, will still come out with nasty, backwards views, just because that's how their personality guides them. That's how you get privileged, rich, racists like McKenzie. He knows his views aren't grounded in reality but it makes him feel better to look at others as beneath him and say shit that he knows will piss people off. There's always going to be that demographic.

But there are plenty of decent people out there who don't use the internet, or read extensively, and who look to newspapers primarily as a source of entertainment, leading them to buy shit rags. And these are the people that have shitty attitudes and beliefs, but purely for lack of information. Simple demographics, with the younger generations who access a range of sources for their information, and who conform very little to old-school approach of loyalty to just a few newspapers and TV channels, will make tabloid rags more and more obsolete as time moves on and reduce this problem. 

The Sun isn't part of working class culture, it's tool to make working people vote themselves poorer and distract them from the true causes of their socio-economic problems, all the while extracting profit from them. It's an external, parasitic influence, posing as entertainment.

[EvertonGirl]

Glad we've finally banned them rats. Vile, all of them. 

[Panna King]

It wasnt racist it was just a stupid childish story.  The word racist gets thrown about so much now in todays world, some people don't even know what it means.

[SirBalon]

Charles is looking after some kids and has taken them to play in the park...

One of the kids that happens to be black is jumping around and causing the rest to be disruptive to which Charles reprimands the child pointing a finger and saying;

"Stop acting like a monkey and come here next to me"

A passer by is offended for the child and reprimands Charles, to which then further people in the immediate area get involved and Charles now has a big problem on his hands.

Who's the racist or where's the racism?

[Stan]

5 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

Charles is looking after some kids and has taken them to play in the park...

One of the kids that happens to be black is jumping around and causing the rest to be disruptive to which Charles reprimands the child pointing a finger and saying;

"Stop acting like a monkey and come here next to me"

A passer by is offended for the child and reprimands Charles, to which then further people in the immediate area get involved and Charles now has a big problem on his hands.

Who's the racist or where's the racism?

are you Charles  ?

[Honey Honey]

2 hours ago, Inverted said:

So what, bigotry is part of the culture of the working class? That's such a condescending, reductive way of looking at things. Its the same kind of patronising attitude that the same bourgeois lefties you refer to use to excuse misogyny in certain immigrant groups, "its not pretty but its their culture", etc. This mollycoddling of shit attitudes just because it comes from disadvantaged people is totally counter-productive. 

It's not inevitable, it can be tackled with access to information. Of course, some people, given access to a range of sources, will still come out with nasty, backwards views, just because that's how their personality guides them. That's how you get privileged, rich, racists like McKenzie. He knows his views aren't grounded in reality but it makes him feel better to look at others as beneath him and say shit that he knows will piss people off. There's always going to be that demographic.

But there are plenty of decent people out there who don't use the internet, or read extensively, and who look to newspapers primarily as a source of entertainment, leading them to buy shit rags. And these are the people that have shitty attitudes and beliefs, but purely for lack of information. Simple demographics, with the younger generations who access a range of sources for their information, and who conform very little to old-school approach of loyalty to just a few newspapers and TV channels, will make tabloid rags more and more obsolete as time moves on and reduce this problem. 

The Sun isn't part of working class culture, it's tool to make working people vote themselves poorer and distract them from the true causes of their socio-economic problems, all the while extracting profit from them. It's an external, parasitic influence, posing as entertainment.

On the contrary. I implied bigotry (as in an intolerance of people who hold a different view) is part of the middle class left attitude towards the working class. It is this blurring of the lines between the political and life observations prominent in the working class, which the rich left doesn't want to hear but wants to shove in a basket of deplorabiles, and the implied notion that they are so racist and thick that they should be made to wear tin foil hats to protect them from the words newspapers use to brainwash them.

It is this puppeteer hand conspiracy that is counter productive. It perpetuates the ignorance from the middle class toward working class observations so as to not hear them and is a way to bury ones head in the sand. When the left starts to see itself as a meritocratic know it all it loses the point of democracy, that it is humanly impossible to know it all. How much time are middle class leftists wasting getting their knickers in a twist and expressing outrage because of a bit of dark working class patriotic humour by Leicester fans in Spain? Oh bigots, racists, terrible. Plot losers.

It's laughable to think the Sun is a tool to make people poorer and ignore socio-economic issues when we've recently had 13 years of a Labour government backed by the Sun, Scotland has had 10 years of an SNP government, Wales has had years with a Labour government, the vast majority of councils in working class areas have been labour for generations, London has had a Labour Mayor and now has another one. Despite all of this all of these governments and authorities have made decisions and continue to make decisions that have made socio-economic problems worse or created entirely new ones as a consequence of their policies. Why? Because there is no black and white singular socio-economic solution of which some grand conspiracy is going on to hide it from readers of the Sun. 

[SirBalon]

14 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said:

On the contrary. I implied bigotry (as in an intolerance of people who hold a different view) is part of the middle class left attitude towards the working class. It is this blurring of the lines between the political and life observations prominent in the working class, which the rich left doesn't want to hear but wants to shove in a basket of deplorabiles, and the implied notion that they are so racist and thick that they should be made to wear tin foil hats to protect them from the words newspapers use to brainwash them.

It is this puppeteer hand conspiracy that is counter productive. It perpetuates the ignorance from the middle class toward working class observations so as to not hear them and is a way to bury ones head in the sand. When the left starts to see itself as a meritocratic know it all it loses the point of democracy, that it is humanly impossible to know it all. How much time are middle class leftists wasting getting their knickers in a twist and expressing outrage because of a bit of dark working class patriotic humour by Leicester fans in Spain? Oh bigots, racists, terrible. Plot losers.

It's laughable to think the Sun is a tool to make people poorer and ignore socio-economic issues when we've recently had 13 years of a Labour government backed by the Sun, Scotland has had 10 years of an SNP government, Wales has had years with a Labour government, the vast majority of councils in working class areas have been labour for generations, London has had a Labour Mayor and now has another one. Despite all of this all of these governments and authorities have made decisions and continue to make decisions that have made socio-economic problems worse or created entirely new ones as a consequence of their policies. Why? Because there is no black and white singular socio-economic solution of which some grand conspiracy is going on to hide it from readers of the Sun. 

I agree with everything you've said about the class divide in these issues but I will take you up on a point that you haven't really legitimised in your defence so it isn't on you.  The bit about "dark working class humour" (wherever it's shown abroad or at home) has an automatism of defence on the assumption it's wholly humour where in my personal view it's more a "dark corners of the ignorant mindset".  Whether we admit it or not, a good piece of the pie that voted for Brexit suffers from this (won't go into the validity of the "belief" on their part because it's a different topic) and that ain't based on humour, is it! Humour is sometimes used to "legitimise" one's underlying views in a m more accepting manner in my personal opinion.

[Honey Honey]

 

4 hours ago, SirBalon said:

I agree with everything you've said about the class divide in these issues but I will take you up on a point that you haven't really legitimised in your defence so it isn't on you.  The bit about "dark working class humour" (wherever it's shown abroad or at home) has an automatism of defence on the assumption it's wholly humour where in my personal view it's more a "dark corners of the ignorant mindset".  Whether we admit it or not, a good piece of the pie that voted for Brexit suffers from this (won't go into the validity of the "belief" on their part because it's a different topic) and that ain't based on humour, is it! Humour is sometimes used to "legitimise" one's underlying views in a m more accepting manner in my personal opinion.

There were Jimmy Saville and paedophilia chants on Friday from Leeds and Newcastle fans, any ignorant mindset present is only in the lack of diplomacy. Why that happens in the grand scheme of things is the line of enquiry people should be taking instead of isolating the incidents they want to use to reaffirm their own stereotypes of working class "intolerance".

[Stan]

They've issued and printed an apology.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39677539

Quote

 

"On April 14 we published a piece in the Kelvin MacKenzie column about footballer Ross Barkley which made unfavourable comparisons between Mr Barkley and a gorilla.

"At the time of publication, the newspaper was unaware of Mr Barkley's heritage and there was never any slur intended.

"As soon as his background was drawn to our attention, the article was removed from online.

"We have been contacted by lawyers on behalf of Ross Barkley, who has made a formal complaint about the piece.

"The Sun has apologised for the offence caused by the piece.

"We would like to take this opportunity to apologise personally to Ross Barkley."

 

They didn't revoke the slurs about the city Liverpool and the drug dealers comment though. 

[LFCMike]

The fact that after their belated 'apology' for Hillsborough they re-employed MacKenzie shows that their apologies mean nothing. Stop employing him. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

5 hours ago, LFCMike said:

The fact that after their belated 'apology' for Hillsborough they re-employed MacKenzie shows that their apologies mean nothing. Stop employing him. 

This. How the fuck is this man at that rag after Hillsborough? Oh it's because they literally don't give a fuck that he was a mouthpiece for a load of bullshit. That decades late apology is meaningless if he's still working for them.

Fuck that shit rag, and fuck MacKenzie, who clearly feels personally aggrieved that a city didn't like their dead libeled. He's a horrible person.

[RandoEFC+]

It's that phrase, 'no publicity is bad publicity'. Someone should be holding the newspapers in this country to account. Report things that are actually news and that have sources to back them up or you stop getting published, would be a nice start.

[MUFC]

Quite vile stuff.