Militant Veganism

[Cicero]

5 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said:

I class myself as a vegan sympathiser. I agree with principles however I am not a vegan. 

Because meat is a commodity. Has been for hundreds of years. Vegans who actually comprehend that are the ones worth talking to. 

[Inverted]

I think I could cut meat fairly easily, and I have made a conscious effort to make it more of a treat than a regular thing, but I would need to change my diet a lot to cut dairy.

And to go all in and cut any stuff that uses any animal products in production would be way too much - like apparently, Guinness isn't vegan. Which is mental in my mind.

[Cicero]

2 minutes ago, Cannabis said:

Was in Chester the other day and saw a Vegan silent protest, a load of kids in V for Vendetta masks holding laptops showing animals in cramped conditions. I don't mind those that want to spread the word but can accept that people eat meat but those that try to shove it in others faces really should be force-fed livers and testicles. 

I'd go vegan out of interest but couldn't do it full time as I love meat too much. A blue fillet steak is quite literally sex on a plate.

Those people are funny.

Being a productive member of society and giving frequently to charities mean fuck all because I saw the documentary "Humans" and still enjoy a steak now and then. 

[Berserker]

I will never be a vegan or vegetarian no matter what they do or say, and if they try to force that upon me then i'm gonna force my throbbing meat into their mouths and convert them back.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Because meat is a commodity. Has been for hundreds of years. Vegans who actually comprehend that are the ones worth talking to. 

When you say it is a commodity do you mean we don't need to eat it?

[Mel81x+]

I don't know if you'd want to be militant anything that just comes with a connotation that no one wants to hear. I remember watching a show on Netflix where they were funding cart food startups and there was a vegan popup that touched on the very same thing that @Eco stated which is the price and then the ease of access as well. Nine out of ten chances are you go to a popular restaurant and don't get the options you would imagine a vegan lifestyle would want and maybe if that gradually changed we'd start seeing it becoming more of the norm. 

[Cicero]

3 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said:

When you say it is a commodity do you mean we don't need to eat it?

I mean that meat has always been a part of our lives. Since the beginning of the human race. We accept it. We marketed it. We commercialised it. Everything is revolved around animal products. 

To simply guilt trip us into ignoring the effect Meat has had in our lives, is asinine. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Cicero said:

I mean that meat has always been a part of our lives. Since the beginning of the human race. We accept it. We marketed it. We commercialised it. Everything is revolved around animal products. 

To simply guilt trip us into ignoring the effect Meat has had in our lives, is asinine. 

True. However a gradual process of eliminating meat eating could work. I mean aren't we phasing out petrol in Britain? It could be done gradually. As I've mentioned before slavery was common up until 200 years ago.

[Smiley Culture]

Always a load of vegan warriors stood outside of some steakhouse in Leicester Square. There’s no need, really. 

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

Extra preachy vegans are the most irritating people I've ever come across.

[RandoEFC+]

Anything that's described as "militant" is going too far.

[Carnivore Chris]

The worse thing is, they often target your local farmer types, even though these are the ones who actually treat their animals well and do everything humanly. I'm all for it when it comes to factory farming, but when they are sending death threats to your local farmers, or even a school where they were breeding pigs in order to educate kids on how it all works, it is taking the piss.

I've seen how animals are kept on real farms and I'd have no qualms in eating them as I've seen how happy and healthy they are. Factory farming is a very different subject altogether, although these wacko types aren't only about that.

It doesn't stop them keeping pet cats either and letting them roam around the streets killing everything, it doesn't stop them driving cars, buying new build houses which were built over animal habitats, or even being responsible for the death of millions of poor insects .

13 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

Anything that's described as "militant" is going too far.

Wackos would be a better way to describe them as they are fucking lunatics.

 

All they make you do is want to eat more meat than ever.

[Danny]

9 hours ago, nudge said:

I see what you mean but anything militant often provokes an opposite reaction from people. That certainly applies to me; I find them so annoying that my automatic answer to that is not to contemplate our poor consumer habits but to eat even more meat instead of less. 

But you (proverbial you) now know what veganism is, and sooner or later maybe swayed by it for other reasons or through other people, who are less pricky.

But I get your response, it’s my first response as well. We get it mate you’ve got a goatee and you wear sandals. Some people do use it as an excuse for it to be “their thing” and go mental at people over it, rather than try to educate and engage with people.

[True Blue]

Don't mind people being vegans but if i am in a restaurant eating a steak, i don't want you approaching me and preaching me what i should or not do.

[IgnisExcubitor]

The militant bit is more a Western thing, where it's important to make every fucking thing political. 

Being vegan in India is probably the easiest compared to the rest of the world. There are so many options of good, tasty food that the vegans can enjoy. 

There are loads of vegetarians here, which is different to vegans. They eat milk and milk products. Funnily we even have a group called eggetarians, which is vegetarians who also eat eggs but no other meat.

My wife has switched to vegan diet half a year ago, and she hasn't really had any problem. Keeps harping that her system feels light and fresh. 

I am not giving up my meat or even my buffalo milk, curd and paneer. 

[Azeem]

Eat milk 

[Vegan Kel]

When there's a victim your personal choice is irrelevant. There's nothing 'militant' in opposing the needless death and suffering of sentient beings.

It is quite funny that eating them will very likely lead to your deaths but it's not much consolation for the animals after they've been gassed/bolted in the head/had their throats slit so some lazy cunt can eat a cholestrolburger with congealed cow's pus

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Vegan Kel said:

When there's a victim your personal choice is irrelevant. There's nothing 'militant' in opposing the needless death and suffering of sentient beings.

It is quite funny that eating them will very likely lead to your deaths but it's not much consolation for the animals after they've been gassed/bolted in the head/had their throats slit so some lazy cunt can eat a cholestrolburger with congealed cow's pus

That was what I meant. If you are a vegan you aren't going to think about personal choice or upsetting someone. Out of interest an argument I have heard against veganism is that the amount of crops it would take to feed people would mean more deaths for mice, bugs etc. What would be your response to that? 

[Vegan Kel]

4 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said:

That was what I meant. If you are a vegan you aren't going to think about personal choice or upsetting someone. Out of interest an argument I have heard against veganism is that the amount of crops it would take to feed people would mean more deaths for mice, bugs etc. What would be your response to that? 

My response would be the obvious one - that veganism is about doing the best you can do, it isn't about being perfect, and also that most crops are fed to animals. A huge majority in fact. Whatever damage is caused by eating plants is multiplied a hundredfold when you consider how many plants are fed to animals.

I'd also add that the vast majority of vegans once ate meat so it isn't like we think meat eaters are evil people (although eating meat is an evil thing to do). It's more that we are disconnected from the reality in a number of ways. The horrific conditions the animals are kept in and the barbaric treatment they suffer are kept from us and the media and government lie to protect these inbred farmers. There are also a load of lies peddled about the supposed benefits of eating corpses when, in reality, they offer zero nutrition we cannot get elsewhere and they cause many diseases we die from

[Guest]

Just now, Vegan Kel said:

My response would be the obvious one - that veganism is about doing the best you can do, it isn't about being perfect, and also that most crops are fed to animals. A huge majority in fact. Whatever damage is caused by eating plants is multiplied a hundredfold when you consider how many plants are fed to animals.

 

I agree veganism is about doing the best you can. Vegans admit it is impossible for nothing to die. But however I have heard it argued that it would take so many crops to feed is all if meat was got rid of that more animals would die. Mice, bugs etc. However it may not be true. 

[Vegan Kel]

2 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said:

I agree veganism is about doing the best you can. Vegans admit it is impossible for nothing to die. But however I have heard it argued that it would take so many crops to feed is all if meat was got rid of that more animals would die. Mice, bugs etc. However it may not be true. 

I have literally just explained that the majority of crops grown goes to feed animals. If we simply fed them to humans instead of animals we would have enough food to feed about 2 or 3 times whatever we are told is the world's population from the people who want us to believe what they say